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BBC Activates DRM For Its iPlayer Content

oik writes "The BBC has quietly added DRM to its iPlayer content. This breaks support for things like the XBMC plugin as well as other non-approved third-party players. The get-iplayer download page has a good summary of what happened, including links to The Reg articles and the BBC's response to users' complaints."

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  1. Yup by symbolset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why you don't touch DRM even a little bit. It doesn't matter if you only buy the open content and so the DRM sits there unused. The purpose for that DRM framework is to do stuff like this to you further down the line. DRM is a tool designed for the sole purpose to take stuff away from you, and you shouldn't tolerate its presence.

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    1. Re:Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is it that DRM allows one to watch content? Surely people could watch content before DRM came around?

    2. Re:Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      it is a loose-loose situation.

      You mean it's extremely baggy?

    3. Re:Yup by dryeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why shouldn't you be able to do whatever you want with your bought full version copy besides distribute it?
      I can see limiting upgrades to upgrading previous versions that you own.

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    4. Re:Yup by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes. They profit from the sale of DVD's and Blu-ray. You may not like it, but they do

      Two straw men in one. Thank you for point out the obvious - yes, I know they sell DVDs. And no, it's not true that I don't like it. I've never complained about them selling DVDs etc, since that doesn't affect those of us who pay for it. The issue is when they introduce DRM as an argument for making even more money, since that does affect us.

      If they did not have this option, I would probably not be able to freely view this content via browser as is.

      Why not? And if you're not paying for the BBC, yet you can watch it, then how is that helping the BBC's profits?

      Is BBC entirely funded by the tax-payer? Do you agree that any taxes eliminated by profits that they may make are a good thing?

      What taxes eliminated by profits?

      It is reasonable to call the BBC fee a tax, however this doesn't mean it's funded out of general taxation. There is a specific TV licence fee.

      Not to mention that no one is arguing against profits. You still have to show that DRM increases their profits.

      I can only assume that the BBC is much like PBS in the US (public funded). PBS is a wasteland of uninteresting content here and doesn't have near the recognition of BBC. If they have a successful model that doesn't cost your tax payers too much, I personally wouldn't be so quick to criticize this move.

      You are seriously suggesting that the BBC is better than PBS, because of DRM? How does that account for all the decades when they didn't have DRM? How can you possibly argue that we can't criticise this move now, based on the quality of the BBC so far?

      It costs us £145.50 a year (from April). Even if DRM does help them lower the fee, it's hardly helping if licence payers are simply instead having to pay more by buying DVDs - they're still paying one way or the other! And the biggest point you are missing is that, since the BBC is funded by the public, its quality is not going to go down just because they don't have DRM. That's the poorest argument for DRM I've ever heard. Speaking as someone who pays for the BBC - unlike you - I don't want DRM.

  2. Stupid by gilesjuk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A stupid decision given the BBC broadcast DRM free mpeg2 over the airwaves. A £30 USB TV card will let you record broadcast quality TV, so why do they feel that lower quality net streaming is a risk?

  3. Re:Its like 1000's of customers cried out by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only the people who read this website actually care. DRM will never die because users are used to putting up with inconvenience and absurd costs for their media. Customers just accept anything, be it overpriced cable TV service(you pay a monthly fee, then you also have to pay per view), or an extremely disruptive level of advertising in programs.

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  4. Re:Its like 1000's of customers cried out by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Informative

    They'll let you off if they visit and you don't have any receiving equipment set up, i.e. no cable or satellite box in your home, and no antenna connected. There was talk of them changing the licence fee so that anyone who could use the iPlayer (i.e. anyone with flash and an internet connection) would be billable though.

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  5. Who wants DRM? Who wants platform neutrality? by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a long discussion on this on a BBC blog.

    Also, bear in mind that when the BBC says "Rights holders require us to implement DRM" that the BBC potentially is being obfuscatory, because the rights holders it's talking about may in fact be companies the BBC owns in part or in full. I.e. the BBC might be trying to hide "We want DRM". E.g. see this post from Anthony Rose giving BBC Worldwide as the prime example of the DRM-requiring rights holders.

    Finally, this is from a comment I left on the linuxcentre blog:

    BBC Trust is running a consultation on the BBC strategic review. One of the key questions is regarding platform neutrality. It is very important that people fill in that survey and let the Trust know how important open ly specified access is. In particular the following is important for platform neutrality:

    * BBC Ondemand should *not* be built on proprietary, single-vendor technologies, such as Adobe Flash.
    * BBC Ondemand should be built on multi-vendor, open, non-discriminatory standards, such as HTML5 video.
    * The BBC should *not* be in the business of dictating which ondemand client implementations may access iPlayer and which may not.

    These things are important both for free software, but also more generally for a healthy market. It is not in the public interest for the BBC to become the king-maker of client device implementations. Please take the time to let the Trust know your views on platform neutrality and how the current situation is bad for the greater public interest.

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  6. Re:Its like 1000's of customers cried out by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I stopped paying the TV license when they introduced MS DRM on iPlayer originally (I haven't had a TV for a while, but I kept paying the license fee because I thought the online news was valuable). I'm absolutely disgusted by this. The BBC streams HD H.264 unencrypted over the air. It's absolutely ludicrous that they should DRM the online streams. If you want to pirate their content, just stick a DVB-T card in your computer, grab the streams, and upload them (optionally after transcoding). This is exactly what happens - you can get anything on iPlayer from various torrent sites at a higher quality from the OTA broadcast. So why are they adding DRM? There is absolutely no legitimate justification for it.

    The BBC is a large organisation. They should not bow to pressure on this issue - if content is not available DRM free then they should refuse to license it at all, even for terrestrial broadcast.

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  7. Re:Works for me by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you have rtmpdump installed by any chance?

    The BBC make available low-res streams. Totem supports these. My understanding is the higher-res streams now require rtmpdump installed to access, which is a tool that's hard for distros to ship due to anti-circumvention laws. E.g. Adobe have tried to use the DMCA to take down rtmpdump.

    I.e. my understanding is that the BBCs' move only frustrates those who must shy away from all legal risk. It doesn't really stop anyone - DRM never does.

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  8. Re:Works for me by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh, rtmpdump implements "SWF verification", a silly little Flash DRM support scheme, which is what the BBC have enabled on iPlayer recently.

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  9. Re:Its like 1000's of customers cried out by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No they haven't - and they can't because it would break millions of deployed set-top boxes. They have been asking for permission to encrypt the channel guide metadata, but they weren't able to provide any rational justification for needing to.

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  10. Re:Its like 1000's of customers cried out by broeman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know how they are doing it in the UK, but already several European countries (e.g. Denmark, Germany) also charges for an Internet connection as well. They actually found a way to tax access to the Internet, with the reason that you have the possibility to use the state radio/television online services. Many have been wondering if binoculars will be next (watching TV from your neighbor could be a possibility of use as well).

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  11. Re:Oh noes by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    iPlayer has been broken since day one, as far as I'm concerned. "You're in America, and we refuse to play anything for you, you colonial barbarian. All content on this site is reserved for refined, sophisticated subjects of Her Majesty, the Queen, properly located within Her Majesty's Realm."

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  12. Re:Works for me by gilgongo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've not got rtmpdump installed to the best of my knowledge (at least, there's no file containing that name on my system). I've just tried this:

    get_iplayer --get --modes=flashvhigh 859

    Which gets a pretty large (670Mb) Flash file containing a 45-min episode of Top Gear which I assume that's hi-res (it looks it).

    So again - works for me using a pretty much default install of Ubuntu 9.10.

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  13. Re:Oh noes by wagnerrp · · Score: 4, Informative

    The BBC only has distribution rights within the UK. They have sold those rights to a 3rd party in the US. They can't stream the content to you because they are legally not allowed to.

  14. XBMC bug-fix to support SWF Verification by lkcl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://trac.xbmc.org/ticket/8971 adds support to use librtmp which supports RTMPE including SWF Verification and Adobe's so-called "Secure" Token authentication.

    it's worth repeating that there is absolutely zero security of any kind in Adobe Flash RTMPE. everything can be obtained publicly; or is "magic constants", or is simply a complex chain of algorithms, the result of which is merely an increase in CPU usage, heat generated and money wasted, along with the dangerous illusion of security.

  15. Re:Whoosh by feepness · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The old saws about this are "don't awaken the sleeping giant" and "let sleeping dogs lie", and Obama has violated both. My prediction is: He's going to have quite a rude awakening as he has vastly underestimated the power of an awakened, riled, American citizenry.

    Who we gonna vote for, the Republicans? Each side pretends to love liberty when out of power, and then embraces authority once they gain power.

    The only thing that will fix things is a third party, and the only thing which will make a third party viable is instant runoff voting. That won't happen until things get really, really broken.

    Which may or not may be that far off once people toss in the towel on the dollar pyramid scheme.

  16. Re:Oh noes by salmacis2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hulu has been broken from day one, as far as I'm concerned. "You're in the UK and we refuse to play anything for you, you dumb limey. All content on this site is reserved for kick-ass, true-bloodied Americans, hell yes, properly located in God's own country. USA! USA!"