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The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 Passes Senate Panel

An anonymous reader writes "The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 passed a Senate panel, giving the president unprecedented power to issue a nation-wide blackout or restriction on websites without congressional approval. The bill, written by Sen. Jay Rockefeller [D-WV] and revised by Sen. Olympia Snow [R-ME], was drafted in an attempt to thwart internet-based terrorist threats, and gives the president this 'kill switch' without oversight or explanation. The bill is up for Senate vote."

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  1. Uh huh, terrororists by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do I have a funny feeling that The Pirate Bay will suddenly be labeled a terrorist organization?

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    1. Re:Uh huh, terrororists by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More likely Wikileaks than Pirate bay, especially with recent release of highly questionable CIA documents plus the imminent release of that video.

  2. Better than the alternative? by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can anyone think of a single example where throwing the kill switch would be better than not throwing the kill switch? You're talking about shutting down or heavily impacting > 90% of the economy, making communication difficult or impossible for a large number of people, and permanently damaging the trust that people have in a connected society. The damage would be severe and significant and I just can't imagine a situation where it would do more harm than good.

    1. Re:Better than the alternative? by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can anyone think of a single example where throwing the kill switch would be better than not throwing the kill switch? You're talking about shutting down or heavily impacting > 90% of the economy, making communication difficult or impossible for a large number of people, and permanently damaging the trust that people have in a connected society. The damage would be severe and significant and I just can't imagine a situation where it would do more harm than good.

      Depends on who the "better" is for. I know if I was in the government and the people were trying to over-through me and my cohorts that the ability to stop all the communications networks they're likely to use (internet + cellphones) would be very useful in preventing anything coordinated.

    2. Re:Better than the alternative? by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It depends on your definition of "harm" and "good". An revolt with widespread popular support by a significant minority or even majority of citizens could require the internet to be shut down to prevent the people from organizing to rally against an oppressive regime. It worked out pretty well for Iran.

  3. Bye, bye freedom... by MahariBalzitch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Our freedom in the US is quickly diminishing under the guise of "Terrorism". It makes me sick watching it happen and knowing there is nothing we can do about it.

    1. Re:Bye, bye freedom... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy - James Madison

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  4. Need to have a fast method if needed by captaindomon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't have a problem with this, there should be a way that the system can be quickly shut down if necessary. Waiting for congressional approval would take months probably, even weeks if there was a really pressing emergency. I don't think this law is about approval (I'm sure there would be a huge investigation by congress if he ever used it), it's about timing - stuff on the internet happens quickly and needs to be responded to quickly.

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    1. Re:Need to have a fast method if needed by boarder8925 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, just like the PATRIOT Acts I & II were only to fight terrorists, this new power will only be in case of an "emergency."

  5. Dangerous and disturbing this is by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is akin to putting people on the no-fly list for no reason. IMHO, this is a blatant abuse of power and violates the 1st amendment in a big way. Can anyone remember when shutting down the opposition in the name of security was done last? Oh, yeah, Hugo Chavez. Oh yeah. the Chinese government. Oh yeah, the Iranian government. Oh yeah, the Burmese government (scuse me Miranmar). If people being pissed about the Patriot Act contributed to a change of power, this will do the same in the other direction. "Oh, but our beloved president Obama would never do that do me only to those evil right-wing militias (that nobody ever heard of until now)." Yeah, keep thinking that. Would you want a president with an opposing ideology to have this power?

  6. Re:It's ok people by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Laws like these tend to have a long life. Who in their sane mind would give that out of his hand again? Once granted, it will stay. Even if you eventually get someone that makes Dubja look like Mahatma Ghandi.

    To avoid Godwin, I'll pull a Dollfuß. He was the dictator of Austria before it was absorbed by the German Reich. Think of him as Mini-Hitler. He ruled with a law from the first world war that allowed the administration to make laws without oversight in case of "need". He simply declared the perpetual "need" and thus circumvented the government.

    Once such power is granted, it will not go away. And it invevitably will eventually fall into the wrong hands.

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  7. Re:STFU by sopssa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While US did create ARPA in the 50's for military use, most of how Internet is used now a day has been actually created in Europe. US got the ball rolling, Europe polished and finished it.

    On 6 August 1991, CERN, a pan European organization for particle research, publicized the new World Wide Web project. The Web was invented by British scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989.

    Same goes for almost every other major protocol and technology.

  8. Re:STFU by radtea · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Internet is an invention of the USA, so why shouldn't we have control over it, you eurotrash piece of shit?

    DARPA created the Internet, so why shouldn't they have control over it?

    More to the point, a very small number of individuals at DARPA created the Internet, so why shouldn't they have control over it?

    In fact, only some PARTS of those individuals created the Internet, so why shouldn't those parts have control over it?

    But wait, HUMANS created the Internet, so why shouldn't we all have control over it?

    Why exactly are you picking one particular level of abstraction out of the infinite multitude of possible ones and declaring that it is the only one that we should all pay attention to? What makes the nation-state your entity-of-choice with regard to causal efficacy and moral supremacy? It seems pretty arbitrary to me.

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  9. 1984 - a little late by Maint_Pgmr_3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they're not as bad as the last administration, right?

    Do as I say, not as I do. Bush BAD, BO GOOD.

  10. Re:Oh yeah? by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well to be fair the EU doesn't really have free speech, now does it? From what I understand if you dare to make a Nazi salute or deny the Holocaust you can be put in prison, whereas here we just make fun of them when they hold their little rallies and try to pretend it is 1933 all over again.

    I have a feeling if the EU was given control the Internet would become a lot more PC really quickly, and I for one prefer being able to say things even if it offends others, thanks anyway.

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