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Twins' DNA Foils Police

Hugh Pickens writes "The Telegraph reports that James and John Parr were both arrested after watches worth £10,000 were stolen from a shopping center. Police found blood on a piece of glass at the scene of the crime and traced it back to the 25-year-old identical twins through DNA tests. But James and John both denied the theft and, because they have identical DNA, it has been impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt which twin is responsible. 'The police told us that they knew it was one of us, but we both denied it,' says James. 'I definitely know I didn't do anything wrong. I was watching my daughter that night.' Now the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has concluded that it cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt who was responsible. 'Unless further evidence becomes available, we are unable to authorize any charge at this time,' says CPS spokesman Rob Pett. 'This is certainly not something that we regularly encounter.' Identical twins have hindered police investigations a number of times since the advent of DNA testing. In Malaysia last year, a man suspected of drug-smuggling and sentenced to death was released when the court could not prove whether it was he or his twin brother who committed the crime."

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  1. Um, this is easy by HighOrbit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which one has the cut that left the blood behind?

    1. Re:Um, this is easy by Threni · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And which one cut himself opening catfood. You don't go to prison for cutting yourself feeding your cat, right?

    2. Re:Um, this is easy by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who says it was either of them? DNA fingerprints are not unique. There are likely to be 50 other people in the UK with the same DNA fingerprint as the twins and it's entirely possible that one of them was the robber. The depressing thing is that the police seem to think that this is enough evidence to convict even if there is no other evidence, unless they happen to randomly find two people with the same DNA fingerprint.

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  2. Old days? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So DNA is the only way to prove guilt and find the truth? I remember in the old days, before DNA, they were still able to catch criminals. Maybe they should find some retired police officers to see how it's really done.

  3. Just goes to show by azaris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DNA by itself should never be used as the sole evidence to convict someone. It can be a useful indicator for finding suspects, but there always needs to be more direct evidence to provide a conviction. It is not just that people who don't have twins can be convicted solely based on DNA evidence, while people who do have twins cannot because of the possibility of convicting an innocent person. And that is not even going into DNA collisions or tainted samples.

  4. Or maybe the police could do their jobs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Instead of resorting to third-world tactics like that, maybe the police investigators could just do their jobs, investigate the crime scene, and find some less-ambigous evidence that conclusively points to one brother or the other. Oh, and that doesn't mean that they "manufacture" the evidence, either.

    1. Re:Or maybe the police could do their jobs! by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another possibility would be to examine both people's alibi.

      Trying to hold 2 people for 1 peron's crime is just lazy.

      Presumably one of them can't properly account for their whereabouts at the time of the crime. One of their alibis' has got to have a hole in it (unless a 'third' mysterious twin did it)

      At least one twin is lying, and possibly a friend covering their alibi is lying. They couldn't have both really been watching their daughter that night.

      Unless one of them that committed the crime took their daughter with them, that is. It is doubtful both twins wear exactly the same clothing, same vehicle type, and other things, so perhaps if there was some sort of trace evidence left at the scene, they could be fingered..... At a shopping center, there should be at least one witness, unless this was an inside job done while it was closed.

      I also would not neglect the possibility that both twins were involved in the crime.

      If both twins were involved, they could have both planned to point to the other twin and make sure there was not enough evidence to incriminate either of them. In this manner, committing the perfect crime in plain sight.

      I assume the police actually did both nuclear DNA and mitochondrial DNA testing on both twins, and other analysis of blood content?

      Or maybe not.

      Even identical twins don't necessarily eat the same things. The criminal has some different behaviors / different tastes, that they ought to be able to find evidence of.

      They could probably analyze behavior and figure out which one is actually capable of committing the crime that happened

    2. Re:Or maybe the police could do their jobs! by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is the UK we're talking about. They have a camera on every street corner.

      Since when? If it was outside the central business district of a major city, the chances are there wasn't a CCTV camera within a couple of miles radius.

      The whole "Britain has elventy bajillion CCTV cameras" was a story *entirely made up* by a right-wing tabloid. The figure was derived by counting up all the council- and privately-owned CCTV cameras in a half-mile stretch of the main street of a particularly nasty area of London, and multiplying by the total length of all the roads in Britain. For it to be even *nearly* right, there would have to be a camera every 50 metres or so along *every* road. The track to my house would have three cameras all to itself...

    3. Re:Or maybe the police could do their jobs! by stonewallred · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Eh, people were buying donated blood back in the day to leave as evidence. Guy robs stores, fakes cutting hand, leaving a nice blood sample, and if he is ever caught, the blood type doesn't match, and he goes free. And I always liked the idea of visiting several self-car washes and grabbing the bags from the trash cans and vacuums. That way you can make a nice assortment of random evidence to leave, all of it clearly pointing away from you.

  5. Re:Obvious Solution by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Guilty until proven innocent?

  6. That's not the real problem here by algormortis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...a man suspected of drug-smuggling and sentenced to death...

    I'm surprised nobody has said anything about this. Sentenced to death for smuggling drugs? That's more of a problem than twin's getting away with theft and... well... drug smuggling.

  7. This happened to me... by goodmanj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... not as defendant, but as a juror.

    I served on a jury last summer for a case of armed home invasion. The victim, if you can call him that, was a multiply-convicted white crack user. The victim claimed the defendant forced his way into the defendant's house with a gun, as part of a dispute over the defendant's missing cell phone following a drug deal.

    The defense attorney's goal was to convince us that there was no way to determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether the defendant committed the crime, or his brother. The police did a horribly sloppy job of gathering evidence, the DNA was so contaminated that while it matched the victim, it also had good odds of matching the defendant's brother or about 1 in 5 random people off the street. The victim lied on the stand several times and showed no reliability as an eyewitness, and all the other evidence (phone calls, evidence collected at defendant's house) pointed to *some* member of the defendant's family, but no way to know who.

    So we found him not guilty. Kind of a shame since the defendant probably *was* a drug dealer, but no way to prove it wasn't his brother. And the kicker: if they bring the brother to trial, he can use the same defense.

  8. Um, this is easy: bacterial forensics by Kozz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the twins have not been living near-identical lives (sharing cars, apartments, etc), they probably have distinct bacterial colonies, and bacterial forensics (an emerging science) could be the key.

    http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201003193

    This method cannot conclusively place an individual at the scene of the crime, but if combined with DNA evidence, I think you'd have a pretty air-tight case.

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  9. Re:Alternative by moteyalpha · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, my theory is they are telling the truth. What they lied about ( by omission ) is that they are triplets and if they had found the third he would have admitted to the crime.

  10. It's actually worse than that by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 4, Informative

    DNA has been getting relied on heavily lately to solve otherwise cold cases. States have started running crime scene evidence through DNA databases wholesale, and then running with whatever match they get, even if it's just a partial.

    Think about it: if there's a one in a million chance that the DNA will match, and you have a 20 million person database, then you're going to get 20 matches. Now just find the guy who's most convenient to prosecute. Boom, instant cold case conversion!

    DNA's Dirty Little Secret: a forensic tool renowned for exonerating the innocent may actually be putting them in prison
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1003.bobelian.html

    Also:

    New Rule Allows Use of Partial DNA Matches
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/nyregion/25dna.html

    DNA Evidence Can Be Fabricated, Scientists Show
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18dna.html

  11. Fuck that! by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As an identical twin, I can tell you that your idea stinks. If my brother commits a crime, and I deny it, I don't think I should be charged with obstruction of justice. I don't know what he's doing at any given time of the day. I couldn't tell you what he's doing right now. He could be robbing a jewelry store for all I know.

    1. Re:Fuck that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I couldn't tell you what he's doing right now. He could be robbing a jewelry store for all I know.

      Hey! No I'm not!

    2. Re:Fuck that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      well, he knows you're not, but he's trying to pin it on you now while he's at the jewelry store.

  12. Re:Obvious Solution by Smauler · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, it's way easier than that. All you have to do is analyse their DNA, and see which of them has the Evil Bit set. I can't believe this hasn't been done yet.

    ps. The evil bit in DNA is not detected by normal comparisons. You need to find a geneticist with 1337 DN4 5C4NN1NG 5K1LLZ. The median age for such geneticists is 13, interestingly.

  13. Re:Obvious Solution by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Funny

        Actually, neither will confess, and neither one did it. As it turns out they were actually triplets when they were born. The parents had to give one up for adoption. The adopted brother, through cruel twists of fate, turned to crime at a young age. Neither of the "twins" know anything about the third brother.

        But, that's not the whole story. The third brother married into a well connected crime family. He did what the family wanted, but that still didn't make them satisfied with him. In time, there was resentment by some of the "family" members, and even his wife.

        The wife was having an affair with another member of the crime family. One morning the third brother cut himself shaving. She took that blood, and gave it to her lover, and *HE* is the one who committed the crime.

        No one in the crime family, nor even the third brother, knew there were two more people who would positively identify to the DNA match. The third brother remains unsuspected to this day, and those in his circle continue to live free, until the day that his wife finally gets rid of him, one way or another.

        {sigh} don't you people ever watch murder/mystery/detective shows? Hell, even an educated background of Scooby Doo mysteries would have thought of this one. Or the old man who lived in the cabin on the hill. :)

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  14. Re:Obvious Solution by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

    The same basic right exists in the UK, they call it the right to silence, or the right to remain silent, and it comes from the Judges' Rules, and pertains to rights of the defendant to not testify, and rights to not cooperate with police.

    Arguably, potential criminals may have better rights there than in the US, in certain areas.

    The 5th amendment of the US constitution is based on it.

    But see the Police and Criminal Evidence Act of 1984, PACE Code C.