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Toyota Accelerator Data Skewed Toward Elderly

An anonymous reader passes along this discussion on the data for the Toyota accelerator problem, from a few weeks back. (Here's a Google spreadsheet of the data.) "Several things are striking. First, the age distribution really is extremely skewed. The overwhelming majority are over 55. Here's what else you notice: a slight majority of the incidents involved someone either parking, pulling out of a parking space, in stop and go traffic, at a light or stop sign... in other words, probably starting up from a complete stop."

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  1. Good god, please stop by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 1, Troll

    If you read the above article and thought, "gee, what convincing evidence," then you're a moron.

    It's not a surprise that traffic fatalities were skewed towards the elderly. In any given accident, an elderly person is much more likely to die than a young person. They're not as sturdy.

    Now that you're a little bit less of a moron, please go on with your day.

    1. Re:Good god, please stop by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Hey, you sure got me. Really stuck it to me..oh shit, no you didn't, you just can't read. From the article: 'The Los Angeles Times recently did a story detailing all of the NHTSA reports of Toyota "sudden acceleration" fatalities, and, though the Times did not mention it, the ages of the drivers involved were striking.'

    2. Re:Good god, please stop by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wrong. Your post: '...in that the Google spreadsheet provided was tracking incidents, not fatalities...'

      Article: 'The Los Angeles Times recently did a story detailing all of the NHTSA reports of Toyota "sudden acceleration" fatalities...' And yes, the spreadsheet data is from the LAT story.

      And no, to poke holes in the author's idiot argument, I don't have to figure anything out about the "percentage of Prius drivers, blah blah blah." I would have to do that if I wanted to find the real numbers. Instead, I just demolished the author's prima facie case. Once that goes down there is no reason to invest more time on it. He can make the case again with better data if he feels like it. I'm not about to throw any more mental effort after an idiot's idea.

  2. Re:Non-issue by Lehk228 · · Score: 0, Troll

    so "old people can't drive, lol" somehow explains the highly disproportionate distribution of such events towards toyota how exactly?

    And right now is a really good time to buy a Toyota. You'll get the deal of a lifetime :)
    yea, if you survive the accident you will get a fat settlement check... no thanks i like all my body parts still attached.

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  3. If it is driver error, why... by assertation · · Score: 0, Troll

    did Toyota claim it was floor mats, then a defective pedal part and is now having its electronic analyzed along with GM at NASA?

    Surely Toyota, the NHTSA and NASA have statisticians?

  4. Re:And 1/2... by operagost · · Score: 0, Troll

    While we're waving our dicks, it was the USA that introduced emissions standards while the rest of the world was choking on carbon monoxide and swimming in acid rain.

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  5. Re:And 1/2... by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Troll

    You are a troll or your brother-in-law is an ignorant ass who should stop misleading people. The engineers converted existing gasoline engine assembly lines to production of gasoline engines, they did NOT modify a gasoline engine into a diesel, except maybe starting with a block. And their greatest sin was to use an insufficient number of bolts to secure the head. By the time they fixed these problems, nobody wanted a diesel engine in the USA, except in a truck. In fact, the history of American diesels has been one of too-thin walls; my 1992 International-Navistar 7.3 liter engine is susceptible to a known problem called "cavitation", in which a too-thin cylinder wall flexes excessively, causing micro-cracking and -pitting that will go right through a cylinder wall if the coolant is even marginal. It requires the use of special chemicals called SCAs or DCAs (supplemental/diesel cooling additive) to seal up the fractures in the wall of the block to prevent coolant intrusion. I don't need any special, magical additives in my 1982 Mercedes 300SD, because the block was made sturdy enough to not have these problems, albeit producing about the biggest inline three liter engine I've ever seen, it looks more like a five liter.

    Now, Ford is bringing out an F150 with a diesel, making the first time in many years an american automaker has produced a vehicle with a diesel engine that is lighter than a three-quarter ton truck, while VW/Audi is selling TDIs which get mileage superior to gasoline-hybrid vehicles in most real-world driving. So perhaps diesels are making a comeback here in the USA. I'll be sitting in my 1982 Mercedes, waiting for the rest of you to catch up. (Not performance-wise; it's a dog, really, in that department. But it's also damned near thirty years old now, and VW has 2 liter engines with more output.)

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