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Stallman On the UK Digital Economy Bill

superapecommando submitted a blog entry written by Stallman about the UK's bandwidth initiatives. RMS says "When I read about Gordon Brown's plan to give the UK more broadband, I couldn't restrain my laughter. Isn't this the same clown now busy circumventing democracy to take away broadband from Britons who already have it? And what good would broadband do them if they're punished for using it (or even being suspected of using it)? Laying cables would be a waste of resources if people are not allowed to use them. Brown did suggest another possible use for broadband. He said that it would enable MPs to better communicate with their constituents and keep track of what they want."

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  1. I'll tell you what the reason is by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...it's so Peter Mandelson can hand a nice, fat-profit-inducing mess over to Murdoch and the big media companies. Crack down on things they see as threatening their revenue stream, and give people a big fat pipe from which to slurp premium content. In return, maybe there'll be some favourable coverage in the media of Labour in the run up to the election on May 6th.

    1. Re:I'll tell you what the reason is by speculatrix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      when politicians quit or get thrown out, they like to sign up a few well-paid directorships, so "oiling a few door hinges" beforehand pays dividends in the long run when they come to knock on those doors.

    2. Re:I'll tell you what the reason is by FuckingNickName · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then your problem, like Chomsky's, may be that you assume that everyone is stupid and easily influenced except you. Could you be wrong about this?

    3. Re:I'll tell you what the reason is by Dan+Ost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You claim he's out of touch, yet he consistently sees dangers for what they are (or have the potential to be) long before most anyone else.

      I'm always interested to read what he has to say even if I disagree with him. I find that his world of black and white doesn't map cleanly to how I view the world, but his insights are always educational.

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      *sigh* back to work...
    4. Re:I'll tell you what the reason is by Hooya · · Score: 4, Interesting
  2. Write to your MP on the Bill by mdwh2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're in the UK, 38 degrees have made it easy to write to your MP about this bill.

    Over 20,000 people have already done so.

    1. Re:Write to your MP on the Bill by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know who 38 degrees are, but MySociety have already received government funding to make it easy to write to all of your elected representatives. So far, my MP has failed the Turing Test three times. I am tempted to run a 20-line Prolog program against him at the next election.

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  3. On Stallman by Richard_at_work · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Sharing is good" - I love how Stallman is once again so open with other peoples creations as well as his own. If you want to share, why not simply stick to sharing those things you are allowed to? But oh no, that's not good enough - the 'people' must be allowed to share *everything*.

    My 1992 proposal for a special tax to be distributed to artists, with the money partly shifted from the most popular ones towards those not quite so successful, is still applicable.

    Yup, I have just read that and its a pile of crap - the whole idea seems to be to reward those who are successful less and less, and reward those who are failing more. Why are those who are popular less deserving of those who are not? This isn't some politically correct playschool, where everyone holds hands to cross the line together at sports day rather than crown a sole winner - no, this is real life.

    Now, I am against this Bill (and have written, faxed and phoned by MP - she will be calling for more discussion and consultation), but Stallman and his stance isn't the answer.

    1. Re:On Stallman by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Insightful

      (...) why not simply stick to sharing those things you are allowed to? But oh no, that's not good enough - the 'people' must be allowed to share *everything*.

      (Sith) Lord Mandelson, is that you? Please enlighten us what we are allowed and not allowed to share!

      Its called copyright, and you are more than welcome to create something of your own and grant permission to others to distribute it - why this overwhelming sense of entitlement about needing to be able to distribute other peoples works against their will?

      I see my other post is marked as a troll - interesting how dissenting viewpoints and opinions simply aren't allowed here any more.

      The argument against copyright is a fair one - but it almost completely seems to orientate around other peoples copyrighted works, and being able to distribute those works freely. Its certainly has a sense of 'I want what they are selling, but I don't want to pay them what they are asking for it, they should take what I am willing to offer and nothing else, but in any case I should still be entitled to their work' and I don't like that one little bit.

    2. Re:On Stallman by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a much simpler argument: If a law is impossible or almost-impossible to enforce, there is something wrong with that law.

      So in a hypothetical past where forensics are worthless and it's easy to get someone alone and slit their throat without getting caught, that there should not be a law against murder?

      I think a much stronger argument is that when a huge segment of the population performs some act routinely without any sense of guilt, that's evidence that society as a whole doesn't consider it wrong. In a secular society, what can define right and wrong, except the consensus of the people? If the consensus is that something is not wrong, why is there a law against it?

  4. Re:Better communicate?! by brindleboar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For anything that politicians will actually pay attention to, I should think that a 56Kb dialup would be sufficient.

  5. I don't need broadband to tell my MP what I want by obnoxio · · Score: 3, Funny

    "He said that it would enable MPs to better communicate with their constituents and keep track of what they want."

    I want them all to fuck off and die.

    Painfully, if possible.

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  6. Re:Right things, not always right reasons. by slim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was brought up in Wales in the 1980s, I felt that Cymdeithas yr Iaith (the Welsh Language Society) were making unreasonable demands in their campaigning. And I still do to an extent.

    But, in the 1960s and earlier, the right for Welsh people to speak and learn in their mother tongue was a serious civil rights issue. By the 1980s things had improved greatly, largely thanks to the activities of Cymdeithas yr Iaith.

    I think that by continuing to maintain pressure, perhaps for demands that are a step too far, they prevent the pendulum from swinging back to where it was in the 60s.

    I think the same goes for Stallman. Many people benefit from Free Software. Many people would be satisfied for a less pure Free Software world than Stallman demands. But without Stallman's purist stance, the average would shift to a less free position. I wouldn't want that.

  7. Re:Let RMS dogfood his economic model by selven · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's a pretty incorrect understanding of RMS's economic model. He never advocated a pure donation economy and has clarified multiple times that there is nothing wrong with making a profitable business around open source software. If you want to try relying on the viability of his model, go work for Red Hat for a few years.

  8. Re:Extra, Extra, Stallman's Unhappy! by digitig · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually stopped reading when RMS started calling people clowns and saying that they aren't going to allow people to use their broadband. Name calling? Really? Then following it by saying they won't let people use the broadband while forgetting that they just mean people suspected of violating copyright and get accused several times? Stuff this well balanced belongs on Faux News. Sorry RMS, I didn't finish reading the article because you write like a clown. (couldn't resist...)

    Fixed that for ya.

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  9. Re:Right things, not always right reasons. by damburger · · Score: 3, Informative

    You are wrong.

    Unlike you, Stallman recognises the difference between sharing for personal use and taking for commercial expoitation. He is also aware of how free licenses depend on copyright law and that a complete abandonment of such law would screw free software. In fact, he spoke at length to the Pirate Party UK about it, a conversation that had a fair influence on our final manifesto, which now includes special provisions for FOSS.

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  10. Re:Don't compare by kaiidth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bottom line is - there is a more-or-less one-to-one correlation between
    the sets of people who:

        1. outright violate copyright on a grand scale.

        2. are poor earners, social misfits...

    What a post. I'm reminded of O'Reilly, in conversation with The Daily Show's Jon Stewart: "You got stoned slackers watching your dopey show every night. 87% are intoxicated when they watch..."

    Tell me, do you find that outright manufacture of statistics is generally an effective mechanism in successfully debating complex issues? If you do, do you find that this mechanism is:

    a) a good thing, because you get to win arguments based on totally uncited shit you pulled out of your ass, or
    b) seriously concerning, because entire areas of governmental policy are set via arguments based on totally uncited shit that lobbyists pull out of their asses?

    Your post is an example of extremely lazy ad hominem argumentation, and possibly also extremely lazy thinking as well. Here are some statistics for you. Given that this is a story about filesharing activities in the UK, here's a stat from the UK:

    Harris Interactive conducted research among the UK general public aged 16-54 from February to March 2009, which gave a 23% incidence of music file-sharing using peer-to-peer networks in the UK population aged 16-54, or 8.3 million file-sharers based on ONS population data. This number omits people under 16 completely.

    Additionally, Jupiter Research conducted consumer research on behalf of the BPI in August 2007, which predicted 6.7 million peer-to-peer file-sharers during 2008, and 7.3 million for 2009.

    Source: http://www.theunsignedguide.com/news/795/facts-about-file-sharing/

    It is not impossible that 23% of individuals in the UK all share the same characteristics (poor earning, social misfits, highly vocal complainers) - although if that is the case it is surprising to me that only 20684 emails (rather than the expected 7-8 million) have been sent to MPs regarding the Digital Economy Bill. But can you really characterise 23% of the population as 'a minute fraction'?