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British Prisons Help Addicts Relapse Before Re-Entering Society

A new government "retoxification" program is helping formerly drug-addicted inmates get hooked back on drugs before being released to help avoid accidental overdoses. From the article: "Thirty-three prisons across England offer highly addictive heroin substitutes like methadone to inmates, even if their sentences mean they are effectively drug-free at the time of their release. Supporters claim it gets former addicts' bodies used to drugs again by building up tolerance and slashing the risk of overdose deaths. Critics blast it as 'state-sponsored' drug dealing." I'm surprised they don't give robbers a complimentary get-away car upon release to help alleviate future auto thefts.

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  1. It was better when.... by Upaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was better when any addict could get a prescription for the drug itself, at an insanely low cost. You can be "very" functional on opiates, so long as you keep it up. Now that was state sponsored drug dealing.... Low, pure heroin with a prescription if you are an addict; and to be an addict you just had to tell your doctor you were.

    Violent drug dealers could not compete, and went to other organized crimes. Crime rate was much lower because the addicts could afford their fixes, and a failed drug test could be said "I have a prescription" and keep their job.

    To lament better days before the US forced Britain to adopt its "methods".

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    1. Re:It was better when.... by gandhi_2 · · Score: 1

      You brought up this:

      intelligent people always get the books knocked out of their hands

      twice in this article.

      did something happen today at school?

      you can tell us.

  2. Solution in search of a problem by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm having difficulty understanding where the following process requires intervention or is not already fully optimized:

    1) Inmate kicks his/her addiction after a lengthy prison sentence
    2) Drug-free inmate is released for re-integration into society
    3) Former inmate chooses to begin using again, despite the fact he/she kicked the habit months or years ago
    4) Former inmate dies from an overdose
    5) "Last chance" used up. Former inmate will never trouble anyone again

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    1. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The media has never let the truth stand in the way of a good story.

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    2. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm having difficulty understanding where the following process requires intervention or is not already fully optimized:

      1) Inmate kicks his/her addiction after a lengthy prison sentence

      2) Drug-free inmate is released for re-integration into society

      3) Former inmate chooses to begin using again, despite the fact he/she kicked the habit months or years ago

      4) Former inmate dies from an overdose

      5) "Last chance" used up. Former inmate will never trouble anyone again

      The process is fully optimized and is the correct one. The key lies in step 3: "Former inmate chooses to begin using again, despite the fact he/she kicked the habit months or years ago". People make their own choices and sometimes these choices have consequences, in this case they know the risk they face and they willingly choose to use anyway. It is a tragedy but this person was already given help in kicking the habit via the prison sentence and had the opportunity to remain clean, that was one of their options. Personal responsibility is an important aspect of life and part of that responsibility is dealing with the consequences of your own actions.

    3. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Nutria · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every premature loss of life is a tragedy

      I'm getting nauseated just reading this brainless drivel.

      There are a lot of people for whom death before their statistically-expected lifespan is a benefit to society.

      Anyway, the word tragedy used to have an emotional impact, but now it's tossed around like candy, losing all meaning.

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    4. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of people for whom death before their statistically-expected lifespan is a benefit to society.

      Not everyone is a utilitarian who views the lives of others entirely in terms of their use to society, and it's not "brainless drivel" to place a different value on human life than the one you advocate, where relapsing into an addiction is worth a tacit death penalty.

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    5. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is a utilitarian who views the lives of others entirely in terms of their use to society, and it's not "brainless drivel" to place a different value on human life than the one you advocate,

      Your field of view is way too narrow, assuming just because I assert that "There are a lot of people for whom death ... blah blah..." that I must be utilitarian.

      Amazingly, there's grey between "We Are The World" and strict utilitarianism.

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    6. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      Yellow Journalism in the US goes back to the 1800s, so intentionally misleading the public while still masquerading as the news has been around for some time.

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    7. Re:Solution in search of a problem by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      you misunderstand addiction, just because you have beat an addiction doesn't mean you don't want to indulge it again.

      I am cigarette free 9 months and although i choose not to smoke i really would enjoy one.

      Opiates are really nice , very mellow and relaxing makes it easy to be close to dying without panicking. To be honest i'd choose to die full of morphine, it really is that good.

    8. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Dragoniz3r · · Score: 1

      So not the point he was trying to make there. The issue I believe he was trying to get at goes something like this:
      IF this person was in jail AND this person was addicted to heroin THEN the heroin use is probably involved in why this person is in jail, so IF the person uses heroin again THEN they'll likely end up in jail again, so IF they die because they overdose THEN it's no great loss to society cuz they were just going back to jail anyways.

    9. Re:Solution in search of a problem by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You seem to dislike fascist regimes and bad public policy. Would you not prefer that people who advocate and/or implement those things should expire before they can offend your delicate sensibilities?

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  3. Re:Fox News Populism Wins Moderation War by Nutria · · Score: 1

    And yep, I got down-moderated for that observation.

    Then you should have written something beyond triteness and pablum, which is a specialty of both the far right and far left.

    Deep thinking is what this world needs, not "We Are The World" or Sarah Palin.

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  4. Re:Interesting where the story's from by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    You mean Murdoch's American politically-motivated news empire is reporting a story from one of his British politically-motivated rags? And with a story that portrays a doctor-driven decision as the ultimate example of destructive coddling of criminals by liberals?

    Say it isn't so.

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  5. Re:Fox News Populism Wins Moderation War by Nutria · · Score: 1

    we don't have to worry about the Left since they are increasingly isolated into small pockets of the world like Cuba.

    Shiiit. Obama and his cronies are about as left-wing statist as you can get. They'd love nothing better than to make this country a really big Cuba or Nicaragua.

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  6. Hubris by vorlich · · Score: 1
    The unqualified level of ignorance in this post and the fact that others have ranked it insightful are a sad indictment of some of the slash dot community. Not to mention the fact that the source of the "story" is the Sun Newspaper - a source more normally the recipient of slashdot vitriol. Apparently any consistent moral standard of behaviour is to be abandoned the moment an opportunity to talk with a mouthful of ash presents itself.
    • 1 Citizen is sent to prison for crimes committed under the influence of drugs.
    • 2 Citizen serves sentence and loses habit.
    • 3 Society, properly concerned for the life of its individuals offers specific recidivists some protection from street drugs and a return to crime to fund street drugs (Methadone is provided by our free health care system because our health care system is indeed free to all citizens)
    • 4 Same citizen is completely within their rights to go straight to a GP or Addict Support Team anywhere in the UK and request acceptance on the Methadone programme. Acceptance on this programme requires the same assessment they would have had to have undergone prior to point 3 above.
    • 5 Citizen either copes or doesn't cope with life outside but has some understanding that our society, composed in the majority of decent hardworking law-abiding citizens, at least makes some effort to protect the weak and the vulnerable. Even drug addicts, a group of people whom contrary to their manufactured LaLaLand stereotype of being a menace to society are really a greater menace to themselves, their familes and their friends.
    • But you don't really care for people, Do you?

    Just because there are barbarians at the gate, it doesn't mean that you have to become one.

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  7. Re:Please explain... by julesh · · Score: 1

    Moderating for the first time for a while. Disappointed to note that there's still no "-1 Stupid" option.

  8. Re:Please explain... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    Getting away, obviously. From whatever. A bank robbery, say. And if it wasn’t your get-away car, then by definition the get-away also occurs during the theft of an automobile. So now you get charged with bank robbery and car-jacking.

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  9. Re:Fox News Populism Wins Moderation War by jdigriz · · Score: 1

    Yes, of course, Communists *always* go for market-based solutions like requiring people to purchase private health insurance, or creating a commodities market for carbon dioxide to create an entire new bunch of rich financiers. Maybe learn a little about the things you're against so you can argue against them intelligibly?

  10. Re:Please explain... by d1r3lnd · · Score: 1

    If an ex con wanted to, say, knock off a bank, he would require a get-away car, which would require stealing one. If you give ex cons get-away cars, they no longer have to steal them prior to committing a bank robbery. Capisci?

  11. Re:Fox News Populism Wins Moderation War by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

    Right, Obama is completely different from Bush. He closed down Guantanamo Bay, ended the "War on Terror", ended the practice of shoveling billions of dollars into the gaping maw of Wall Street Leech Monster, and is fighting hard to repeal Patriot Acts I and II so that we can have our privacy and/or freedom back.

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  12. Re:Fox News Populism Wins Moderation War by tehdaemon · · Score: 1
    "requiring people to purchase" and "market-based solutions" are mutually exclusive.

    T

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  13. Re:Fox News Populism Wins Moderation War by jdigriz · · Score: 1

    Maybe if I used the word "free" you'd be correct. But there are plenty of non-free markets that are still markets.

  14. poe and doyle themselves by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    would agree that, as addicts, their lives were degenerate. and that whatever they wrote is in spite of their drug use that was destroying their ability to write

    drug use easily leads to addiction. addiction hollows out a formerly delightful human being into a monomanical zombie: "fix, fix, fix, fix..." then they usually wind up being unable to hold a job or have a relationship. then myself, society, we have to house and feed these drug addicts

    since we are taking care of them, that therefore gives us every right to tell drug addicts to stop taking the substance that renders them unable to take care of themselves. and we also have the right to try to control the substances that create drug zombies. of course such efforts are messy and incomplete, but making the effort is far superior to allowing zombifying substances free reign over society, turning useful productive lives into degenerate dependents

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  15. What about his/her children? by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

    Sure the addict is dead and will never again burgle my house to pay for his fix, but what happens to his poor children? They will will grow up with no father.
    And they might better off for it. Heh.
    Baiting liberals is fun.

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  16. Re:Fox News Populism Wins Moderation War by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    In other news, your insistence that Obama is "right wing" (among other things) is why I don't take you seriously.

    But by the standards of most of the developed world, he is.

    He wouldn't have been elected otherwise.

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  17. Re:Please explain... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    You are a grade A, class 1 fucking wrist-tapper.

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