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5-Axis Robot Carves Metal Like Butter

kkleiner sends along an amazing video of what robot-controlled machining is coming to. "Industrial robots are getting precise enough that they're less like dumb machines and more like automated sculptors producing artwork. Case in point: Daishin's Seki 5-axis mill. The Japanese company celebrated its 50th anniversary last year by using this machine to carve ... a full-scale motorcycle helmet out of one piece of aluminum. No breaks, no joints, the 5-Axis mill simply pivots and rotates to carve metal at some absurd angles. Every cut is guided by sophisticated 3-D design software (Openmind’s HyperMill)."

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  1. Craves Metal by Pennidren · · Score: 5, Funny

    I read that as "Craves Metal" and was scared as hell.

    1. Re:Craves Metal by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The robot was extremely impressive.

      The idea of wearing a helmet made of a material hard enough to efficiently transmit blows directly to your skull, soft enough to deform under impact, ductile enough to stay deformed, and a sufficiently good conductor of heat to making cutting its deformed remains off of your head without burning you; but before you bleed out, a specialized operation makes me very nervous.

    2. Re:Craves Metal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Decent CNC machines tend to run anywhere from $250K to $1Million USD in new condition. Consider this is a 5-axis so going into the millions wouldn't be too surprising and also consider unless you are a master of G-Code programming you will need a software program to write the codes for you so you can tack on another $10K-$25K over a few years for the CAD/CAM Software package.

      Also yes I realize there are probably "Free" programs that write G-Codes and I realize that Blender will do modeling but if I am running a machine like this I want software with real support and a reputation which means I would probably go with an AutoCAD/MasterCAM, Solidworks/MasterCAM, Solidworks/SolidCAM or CATIA package.

    3. Re:Craves Metal by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Double what it will cost in 2 years, four times what it will cost in 4 years, and ten times what it will cost in a decade.

      How long you willing to wait?

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    4. Re:Craves Metal by McNally · · Score: 5, Funny

      The idea of wearing a helmet made of a material hard enough to efficiently transmit blows directly to your skull, soft enough to deform under impact, ductile enough to stay deformed, and a sufficiently good conductor of heat to making cutting its deformed remains off of your head without burning you; but before you bleed out, a specialized operation makes me very nervous.

      That's exactly what They want you to think.

      This represents a tremendous step forward in aluminum hat technology.

    5. Re:Craves Metal by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative
      Oh certainly. Clearly just a tech demo. I was responding to:

      And now I want a new aluminum motorcycle helmet.

    6. Re:Craves Metal by oldspewey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And 40-50 years ago, people would have made the same statement about a motherboard being a rare piece of equipment that must be treated as a long-term investment.

      I am of the firm belief that the age of mass production is on the wane. There will of course always be plenty of mass production, but I think the next couple decades will see the rise of customized production in which people can order the fabrication of very specific consumer items, limited only by their own imagination coupled with the capabilities of the fabricator they are ordering from.

      Whether the demand is filled by 3D printers, or multi-axis CNC machines, or nanotechnology, or all three in competition, or all 3 in combination, or something else entirely, one thing I know for sure; the prices of production equipment will fall.

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    7. Re:Craves Metal by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You also definetly don't want to do it for a living.

      Why not? My whole family has a machinist background. Used to own their own business too -- I worked many a summer in the machine shop doing everything from grunt work (deburring parts) to production on CNC lathes and milling machines. I would have no issues doing it for a living. There are much worse jobs out there. The only problem that I see with the machinist profession is that it's slowing being murdered by cheap overseas labor. Is that why you say that you wouldn't do it for a living or is there something else at play?

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    8. Re:Craves Metal by DeadCatX2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Aluminum hat technology...is that an upgrade over tin-foil hats?

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    9. Re:Craves Metal by Fremandn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are free programs which generate G-Code. Skeinforge is one of them. I'm not sure if it meets your expectations though. See: http://fabmetheus.crsndoo.com/

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    10. Re:Craves Metal by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not a whole lot, actually. Do you have any idea how much time you have to spend to set this fucker up? You can't just throw a model at the machine and say "GO!". You have to generate tool paths and such which isn't a simple matter of just running it through some CAM software. You need to know what you're doing.

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    11. Re:Craves Metal by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The difference is that 40-50 years ago people felt exactly the same way about these machines as they do now. Prices may slowly decline over the next many years, but they will not fall at anywhere near the rate computers did. Moore's law does not apply here. (If you doubt this then just look at the non-computerized machines). The capability of machines does not double every 18 months.

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  2. Not to sound overly nationalist by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't mean to take anything away from the Japanese who are clearly leading in the robotics industry. Especially with technologies like this, humanoid robots like Asimo, and even those creepy robots that have the bad latex skin, these are all really impressive displays of Japan's prowess in this field. More importantly, the control mechanisms are being refined at both the software and hardware interconnects, so this isn't just "robotics", but rather the whole field covers a much broader scope than merely software or just hardware.

    Why isn't the U.S. leading in this area? Why have we decided that we're happy enough building Facebook applications? It's sad to see that we aren't as focused on building real systems that will have an actual physical impact on our surroundings. We took Laertes' ridiculous admonition "to thine own self be true" and turned ourselves and our energies into the very worst of what we are as a nation. We have become exactly what the Japanese saw 20 years ago: a nation of lazy, overpaid workers. And, I hate to say it, we are paying the price for that with our jobs.

    1. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By what set of criteria do you judge software to be less valuable than hardware?

    2. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by TheKidWho · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's the Germans and the Japanese that are currently at the top of the heap when it comes to CNC Machinery... However there are a lot of good American companies up there too, one of the most popular brands in the USA is HAAS, although their 5/4 Axis machines aren't very special.

      It's mostly because they focused on that market and become very good at what they did. You'll see in about 20-30 years China leading that area of industry since they have such a huge focus on manufacturing.

      Anyways, it's the people ultimately programming the machines and the software used to program the machines that are the real driving force behind this industry, without the software these machines would just be dumb lumps of metal.

    3. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      By what set of criteria do you judge software to be less valuable than hardware?

      BitTorrent.

    4. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by Dunx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's the startup cost.

      Software product companies are expensive to start, but they're nothing to companies making innovative physical objects. I used to work for a silicon startup - it was a cheap start for silicon company and it still burned through a phenomenal amount of money before it had a product. Software is just cheaper (and often quicker) to get to market.

      So really blame the VCs and the addiction to short term returns in the US stock market.

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    5. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't mean to take anything away from the Japanese who are clearly leading in the robotics industry. Especially with technologies like this, humanoid robots like Asimo, and even those creepy robots that have the bad latex skin, these are all really impressive displays of Japan's prowess in this field. More importantly, the control mechanisms are being refined at both the software and hardware interconnects, so this isn't just "robotics", but rather the whole field covers a much broader scope than merely software or just hardware.

      Why isn't the U.S. leading in this area? Why have we decided that we're happy enough building Facebook applications? It's sad to see that we aren't as focused on building real systems that will have an actual physical impact on our surroundings. We took Laertes' ridiculous admonition "to thine own self be true" and turned ourselves and our energies into the very worst of what we are as a nation. We have become exactly what the Japanese saw 20 years ago: a nation of lazy, overpaid workers. And, I hate to say it, we are paying the price for that with our jobs.

      I always thought that one of the goals of innovation and technology is to make life easier (physically). Just because fewer folks in the US have their own gardens for food, or chop their own wood for heat in the winter, doesn't make us more or less lazy then those in the past. Some would see it as better time management. Assuming that the person utilizing these technologies is working towards something other then gaining 1000 friends on facebook. Regardless of where it originates.

      However, as tech grows, and you logically look to the future of mankind, robots and software will be able to accomplish all that mankind "works" at. Manual labor will be a thing of the past at some point. Albeit long into the future. As soon as it is cheaper to pay for a robot to do manual labor, human manual labor (brick laying, welding, construction, farming, etc..) will no longer be required. So does that mean mankind will be judged in society for only their creativity at that point or leisure skills? I don't know. But I will probably be long gone by the time that happens.

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    6. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by idontgno · · Score: 3, Insightful

      False. The 5-axis system would still carve metal like butter if it were manually controlled. Just more clumsily and slowly.

      Whereas, frankly, Mafia Wars can never be allowed to be present on the winning side of any argument. If it means abjuring the entire history and future of accomplishments in software, it's still a small price to pay.

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    7. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by shiftless · · Score: 3, Informative

      The U.S. *IS* leading in this area. Japan is not the only country that manufacturers CNC machines. Bridgeport has been *THE* name in milling machines for decades. Haas is another big name based out of California.

    8. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by shiftless · · Score: 4, Informative

      What do you mean "they dont make anything any more"? Shows that you know NOTHING about America. Mills are one of the cornerstone tools of our *very large* manufacturing industry here in the U.S.

    9. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, this is rather silly since America still has the largest manufacturing industry in the world by a significant margin.

    10. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by cdrnet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Total Fertility Rates 2010:

      Niger: 7.75 (top)
      USA: 2.05
      France: 1.98
      China: 1.79
      Germany: 1.41
      Italy: 1.31
      Japan: 1.21
      Taiwan: 1.14
      Hong Kong: 1.02
      Macau: 0.92 (lowest)

    11. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by takev · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, these machines are probably doing "high speed machining" which can only be done when they are software controlled, i.e. it can not be done manually.

      In high speed machining, the cutting speed is much higher than is intuitive. As one increases the cutting speed (from zero), the temperature of the tool increases, until it breaks. But there is a sweet spot at a much higher cutting speed where the tool actually is cooled by the cuttings it is removing.

      However this sweet spot is tight and it depends on the angle of attack, the depth of the tool, the forward speed, the rotational speed, and the amount of material being removed. And these must be maintained, as the material is entering the material, leaving the material, makes corners, etc.

    12. Re:Not to sound overly nationalist by rhsanborn · · Score: 2

      Culture is not valueless. Some people play mafia wars, others play CoD, others watch American Idol, others follow football, others make beer in their basement. Just because you are fond of one or the other does not make the others worthless. And life filled with only things that are considered purely productive would be dull pretty fast. Japanese people make cool CNC machines, but they also watch TV and sing karaoke too.

  3. Nice enough demo by HEbGb · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's a nice enough demo for a five-axis mill, but these are hardly new nor revolutionary in any way. These have been around for at least a decade, probably much longer.

    1. Re:Nice enough demo by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Informative

      6 axis, yep count 'em six, CNC mills have been around for over 25 years, my father's company sold one with over 10 meter table that was used to cut out propellers for submarines. they had another multi-axis one (don't remember how many) that had 40 meter long bed.

  4. Suit of Armor by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    You could create one awesome looking suit of armor with that.

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  5. automated sculptors by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Industrial robots are getting precise enough that they're less like dumb machines and more like automated sculptors producing artwork

    No, the engineers who built them and the programmers who programmed them are the sculptors, the robots are simply sophisticated knives. They're tools that humans use to create the sculpture.

    It isn't artificial intelligence, it's real. It's the programmer's intelligence.

  6. Really need open source CAM by dbc · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm starting to get involved in CNC machining (hobbyist level). One of the things that is quite clear is that there are really no good open source CAM packages. For that matter, open source 3D CAD has a long way to go, although I have great hopes for FreeCAD (not ready yet, but huge progress in the past year). If someone out there is looking for a challenge, take a look at 3D CAM, starting with 3-axis milling. Toolpath planning is *hard*. Your problem: Here is an arbitrary chunk of arbitrary metal. Here is a list of arbitrarily shaped tools. Here is the work envelop of your machine. Here is a table of chiploads that won't break the tools. Here is a 3D CAD file. Produce gcode. gcode that will not break the tools, not crash into fixtures, not crash the machine, and can start with roughing cuts to carve the initial block to something close, and plan finishing cuts that give you the desired surface finish at the end. A do your debugging where a "crash" can cost hundreds or thousands of dollars in broken tools and machinery.

    1. Re:Really need open source CAM by GuyFawkes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're right, I splashed the cash and bought.

      Mach3 CNC controller
      MeshCAM
      Rhino

      Let's say you have a small machine that has an XYZ envelope of 300mm a side, that's 27,000,000 millimetre cubes, or unique XYZ positions the tool and toolpath can follow.

      1mm precison is worthless, at 0.1 mm precision you just went up to 27,000,000,000 unique positions, at 0.01 mm precision you just went up to 27,000,000,000,000.

      You're probably not going to get a linear speed in excess of 1 metre second on anything even remotely hobby, 250 mm min is more like it...

      at 0.01 mm resolution that's 25,000 positions in 60 seconds, that's approx 417 a second

      we've got 27,000,000,000,000, so / 417 = 18 million hours to traverse all 27 x 10^12 points.

      even assuming you had that kind of time, your machine is burning electricity at several cents a kWh... do the math.

      So you can see how optimised tool paths, and so on are literally god when it comes to CNC.

      Sure, there are free OS alternatives to the stuff I paid for, but I don't have the time left to live, nor the inclination to pay the electric bill, that using the free OS alternatives requires.

      HTH etc

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    2. Re:Really need open source CAM by SWPadnos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're right, I splashed the cash and bought.

      Mach3 CNC controller
      MeshCAM
      Rhino

      [snip the math and analysis]

      The resolution of the machine is irrelevant, it's the tool size that matters. If you have a 1/2" diameter end mill, you cut a 1/2" swath through the material. It makes no difference if you have 0.01 inch resolution or 0.00001 inch resolution, you'll still step over by about 1/2 inch when using that tool.

      So you can see how optimised tool paths, and so on are literally god when it comes to CNC.

      Yep, for production machining, optimized toolpaths are a very good thing. The common limiting factor for small machines though is spindle horsepower. The machine can only remove so much metal per hour, and that's directly proportional to the spindle horsepower. It varies with many factors (cutter material, cutter coating, cutter speed, coolant/lubricant, etc), but it's the thing that limits the depth of cut you can use for a given end mill. There's also no such thing as an "optimal path". There are many factors that determine what may be optimal in a given situation - surface finish (the look of it), surface roughness, tool life, machine rigidity, and more.

      Sure, there are free OS alternatives to the stuff I paid for, but I don't have the time left to live, nor the inclination to pay the electric bill, that using the free OS alternatives requires.

      I sure hope you're talking about non-optimal free CAM, because as it happens, the most capable machine controller available (for less than $5000) happens to be the open source one. I only put in the price limit because I hope that the vendors selling the more expensive controllers actually have some better features than EMC2 - I know what you have doesn't.

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  7. Impressive but not new by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are scads of youtube videos of multi-axis machining, from impellers to V8 engine blocks, that are several years old. But, way before youtube, in the 1970's, Japanese nine-axis milling machines helped Soviet designers make submarine propellers vastly quieter, meaning subs like the Soviet Typhoon-class were roughly as quiet as American subs had been for a while. The military and export implications of multi-axis milling machine technology was mentioned in US Congress debates at the time: In 1983-1984 the Japanese firm Toshiba sold sophisticated, nine axis milling equipment to the Soviets along with the computer control systems, which were developed by Norwegian firm Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik. U.S Navy officials and Congressmen announced that this technology enabled the Soviet submarine builders to produce more accurate and quieter propellers. So this is by no means new, but it sure is pretty.

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  8. That's all well and good... by nadamucho · · Score: 3, Funny

    but will it blend?

  9. Very nice. But not that unusual. by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    Very nice. But not that unusual for a modern machine tool. Here's a Matsura mill doing much the same thing. It's the software that's interesting.

    The current generation of machining software finally has constructive solid geometry that really works. The software can predict where the surface of the work is, as material is removed from it, and can reliably calculate clearances to the tools. I'm very impressed. This really works for arbitrary convex objects now. I've worked on collision detection enough to understand how hard that is.

    Coordinating the multiple axes isn't the hard part. That's just relative transformation matrices, which has been done in computer graphics for many years. (Although the newer robot and machining systems understand some of the machine dynamics, and consider inertia. That's new.) It's the modeling of the surface as it changes that's hard.

    This is very expensive software, but it's worth it. You need both HyperMill and either SolidWorks or Inventor. You design the part in SolidWorks or Inventor, then use HyperMill to generate the commands for the CNC machine. Total cost is upwards of $10,000. The CNC machine tool itself is relatively dumb; it's just running previously computed moves. The newer machine tools have software to display the 3D model and the tool, so you can check the planned moves against the actual ones when setting up.

    Nobody machines consumer products out of solid blocks of metal except as a demo, of course. It takes hours to machine something that can be made in seconds by stamping or molding. Machine tools are used mostly to make stamping and molding dies, and one-off parts. Also, even in modest volumes, you don't start with plain blocks of metal. You cast or forge a blank and machine off the excess.

  10. We're safe for now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought it was making a T-800 skull.

    And I almost bought a one-way ticket to Japan to save man kind.

  11. Aerospace by SCHecklerX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ever see gas turbines machined? Goes for cars too. A lot of very cool and useful things wouldn't be possible without awesome machine tools. The physics and math behind these things is pretty amazing too.

  12. Wait, the software is USA by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mis-read the article. I'm not sure what Daishin Seiki actually does, looks like a prototype shop. They use hyperMill (tm) from Open Mind Technologies http://www.openmind-tech.com/.

    So it is basically Daishin Seiki's demo of what they are capable of with a Deckel-Maho (German) machine and hyperMill (US)CAM software.

  13. Dooh, the software is from a German company too. by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Granted, they appear to be multi-national.

    http://www.openmind-tech.com/en/the_cam_company.html

    I'm lost as to why Daishin Seki is getting credit here, other than a poor write up on someone's blog and a cool demo.

    And on a personal note, I need to get my reading comprehension checked, or check my meds...

  14. Why is this impressive? by Hasai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A helmet?

    About five years ago at Oshkosh, Williams International was showing-off a compressor turbine hub assembly for their EJ-2 engine. It was milled from a single piece of metal; hub, compressor blades, everything. One piece.

    A 'helmet.' Pbbbbbttttt. . . .

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    1. Re:Why is this impressive? by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 2, Informative

      The environmental control system on the F-16 contains a bowling-ball-sized turbo (including hot and cold side + housing) with both the turbine and the compressor milled from solid stock. These have been in use since the 70's.

      This is a very rough, very imprecise, and much less complex version of what I'm talking about:
      http://www.flat4online.co.uk/catalog/images/64c0_1.JPG

      I took special note of that particular assembly because as far as I have seen, it is the most complex machined part on the entire aircraft (minus the engine itself, which is in a league of its own). I recently had the pleasure of stripping an entire aircraft, so I've seen what there is to see.

      The technology that I find fascinating is water-jet cutting. Here's a great video of a 5-axis machine cutting an impeller of some sort:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jm4_HikMqk&feature=related
      Start watching at around 2:30

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    2. Re:Why is this impressive? by TheKidWho · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's nothing... This is impressive, they're practically printing steel parts.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-JYKG7TQc&feature=related