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Adobe Evangelist Lashes Out Over Apple's "Original Language" Policy

An anonymous reader writes "Apple's recent decision to restrict the languages that may be used for iPhone and iPad development has provoked some invective from Adobe's platform evangelist Lee Brimelow. He writes on TheFlashBlog, 'This has nothing to do whatsoever with bringing the Flash player to Apple's devices. That is a separate discussion entirely. What they are saying is that they won't allow applications onto their marketplace solely because of what language was originally used to create them. This is a frightening move that has no rational defense other than wanting tyrannical control over developers and more importantly, wanting to use developers as pawns in their crusade against Adobe. This does not just affect Adobe but also other technologies like Unity3D.' He ends his post with, 'Speaking purely for myself, I would look to make it clear what is going through my mind at the moment. Go screw yourself Apple. Comments disabled as I'm not interested in hearing from the Cupertino Comment SPAM bots.'"

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  1. Re:I await the day that Apple..... by peragrin · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    While you may or may not be joking apple has a very good reason for this random command?

    It is obvious. Apple is the ONLY OS company that can move it's ENTIRE product line to new hardware in the span of a couple of years. During the PPC to Intel transition all applications coded with xcode ported over with relative quickness. It took adobe what 4 years to do what apple did with their OS and software in 3?

    Apple has a history of changing processors. the next version of the ipad may not use ARM but something else that can do more processing with less power draw. Applications coded Apples strict way will transition between the platforms with relative ease. Applications code with Adobe's help will take 4-5 years before there is an update.

    How long do you think it would take MSFT to more to a different chipset? heck MSFT has a hard time supporting 64bit hardware from 2003.

    While apple is getting really strict(and it is getting worse) the fact is Adobe treats apple as a second class citizen. 10 million ipads out there will start to crimp adobe more than 10 million developers working on gnash.

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  2. Re:Surprised? I'm not.. by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    ...(and run well)...

    This is becoming less and less true with each new version. They are removing core features (Hello! Contact Sheet! You _REMOVED_ that? WTF?) and making changes that make their software just a little bit worse, slower, and less stable. Seriously. I've been using Adobe software for a lot longer than I care to admit and since CS3, their software has been downright bad. I am shocked at some of the issues and changes that have been released and can only imagine it's an intentional choice on Adobe's part, not poor design decisions (though that certainly is a possibility, especially given that they no longer have any real competition with any of their key software so they can just coast by without a care of losing customers to another company...).

  3. Apple has no say by Ilgaz · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    He can't go mad about it since it is Apple's fault. First, the last minute change to OS X so Carbon 64bit is impossible. I don't have the slightest clue how could Trolltech etc. guys could cope with it, fortunately they are owned by Nokia now so they have amazing resources. On the other hand, Adobe Professional suite is not some tiny shareware that they can switch to Cocoa that easy. Only MS could do it and they don't need to do things which Adobe Pro apps has to do 24/7.

    Another thing? You can't GPU accelerate anything video on OS X, you don't have access like Quicktime X has. So, Adobe doesn't offer GPU Accelerated flash which is a true wonder on supported GPUs even including integrated stuff.

  4. Re:Isn't this business-101 ? by dfghjk · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "So, why would Apple want to give up control over the API of the devices they've made, while simultaneously throwing away any competitive advantage they might be able to bring in the native toolkit ?"

    They wouldn't but that couldn't happen. Apple controls the API regardless, the developer doesn't. Since Apple approves each individual application anyway, why not just refuse apps that have poor, "lowest common denominator" problems directly? Apple does that sort of thing anyway. It would seem that you are looking for a way to cast Adobe as the evil villain by trying to support their customers on a platform that Apple is denying flash access to.

    "This isn't *quite* as bad as Palm lying about their USB id's in order to piggy-back on Apple's success, but it's pretty darn close."

    Fanboy alert.

    "I don't think this is a bad thing for the users - developers are flocking to the platform. "

    Fanboy alert 2.

    "If Adobe want to play, they need to bring something that excites the user-base, and that Apple can't refute. So far they've *not* done that, and childish rants aren't going to persuade me that they can, in fact, do that. I do love the "comments are disabled because someone might disagree with me" as well [grin] - that just smacks of someone firmly convinced they're in the right... "

    Strike 3.

  5. Re:I await the day that Apple..... by shmlco · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "In other words, even if your code is written in Objective-C, Apple will still reject it if that Objective-C code was written by a translation program instead of a human being."

    Supposition or fact? Got proof or a citation? Because compiled Objective-C is allowed as near as I can tell.

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  6. Damn it! A rift in the church? by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Henry the 8th wants to legalize divorce because it's obviously not HIS fault that he has some venereal disease and cannot sire a child and thus keep his lineage strong. But he must be able to do this without invoking the wrath of the church, keeper of the highest moral law!

    If we're going to be calling these software company PR dorks Evangelists then let's skip to the heart of the metaphor, shall we?

    The king is insane, has altogether too much power, and the peasants certainly aren't the beneficiaries of any wrangling over IP law.

    Apple has for years been a religion replete with thought-control issues and all the brain-shrinking dogma we have come to expect from such creepy organizations, but when exactly did Adobe turn into another damned cult? "Evangelist" is a religious term for some asshole spreading lies with charisma, convincing people to believe in bullshit designed to serve the interests of the church and nobody else. -All done by trumping reason with charm and bullshit. (I know there is probably a more official definition which doesn't imply mind-control and manipulation, but that's not the definition we all grew up knowing and shuddering at, now is it?)

    I am so fed up with this kind of idiotic wrangling. I didn't mind Apple when we were feeding its retarded followers to the lions, but I have to say that I am downright nervous about what the iPhone/Pad/Ad is doing to my once-sane universe. (Apple = the New AOL.)

    Will somebody please dethrone these megalomaniacs?

    -FL