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Ex-Googler Obama Appointee Gets Buzz'ed

theodp writes "Hillicon Valley reports that Rep. Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee is pressing White House Deputy CTO Andrew McLaughlin to explain his relationship with Google, where McLaughlin was employed as Google's chief lobbyist. 'The American people have a right to expect that White House employees are working to advance the public interest and not the interests of the lobby shops who formerly employed them,' Issa noted in the letter. 'The use of a Gmail account to communicate with lobbyists and evade transparency laws is at odds with President Obama's promises to limit the influence of lobbyists.' Concerns emerged after screenshots of McLaughlin's Google Buzz account emerged showing that a number of the search giant's top employees subscribed to the deputy Web chief's updates."

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  1. No lobbyists ...except mine. by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many former lobbyists have been exempted from the no lobbyist rule now?

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    1. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

      Come on man, that guy driving the Toyota was as likely as not lying about it. In any case Toyota doesn't seem to be a significant donor. Neither is Google, which may be part of the problem. Microsoft, on the other hand, is, along with Raytheon.

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    2. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without a doubt, it would be very difficult to put someone into a position like CIO without the person having had much in the way of experience with large and successful companies. If they selected someone that was not of that sort, they would be asking some other very serious questions like "what makes you qualified for this position?"

    3. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by delvsional · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Come on man, that guy driving the Toyota was as likely as not lying about it. In any case Toyota doesn't seem to be a significant donor. Neither is Google, which may be part of the problem. Microsoft, on the other hand, is, along with Raytheon.

      There is absolutely no reason that a company should be allowed to donate to a politician's political campaign or the government. Taxes are one thing but donations make obvious strings

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    4. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by eudaemon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm afraid that argument was lost when "they" decided corporations are people, and more recently created a ruling that allows corporations to run for office. I happen to agree with you, but there it is.

      There's actually a corporate policy that prevents me from naming my employer publicly (LOL) but they shamelessly and regularly plug their PAC via company e-mail trying to raise donations. But frankly what's in the best interest of any large corporate is rarely in the best interest of the consumer; most corporations simply want to suppress the competition and dominate their respective markets to maximize profitability... economics 101 but the consumer pays when these corporations "win" and dominate their markets.
      We live in interesting times when an entity is required by the document that creates it to conduct itself amorally, and by that I mean that ponderous bromide "maximize shareholder profits" which is used to justify all kinds of corporate misbehavior that would never be tolerated in individuals.

    5. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He didn't say he'd hire zero lobbyists. He said he wouldn't hire a lot of lobbyists. As in, of the field of lobbyists, most would not be getting a job offer in the Obama administration. Depending on how many positions there are to fill, he could hire 100% lobbyists and still fail to hire the vast majority of them.

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    6. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It wouldn't make a difference. If companies couldn't donate to campaigns, wealthy individuals would take their place. There's always someone with a purse who is willing to influence government. As far as direct donations go, the campaign donations from individual companies are not that huge. If a thousand or so blue collar workers got together to form an organization, they could easily out-donate the biggest donor to Mr Issa, which this year was $17,000. That would only be $17 each, very doable.

      Complaining about corporate donations is really just a complaint about lack of citizen participation. The fact is, in a democracy, if the citizens don't pay attention, the people who are paying attention will get what they want. This is what's happened in America.

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    7. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And having seen that exact effect with FEMA, this really is a catch-22 situation. They have to hire someone qualified (with a proven track record) whose never worked for anyone before. That might be a problem.

    8. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by Immortal+Poet · · Score: 5, Informative

      "They... created a ruling that allows corporations to run for office"

      Perhaps you should actually read the article before you link to it. A public relations firm announced they are running for office, true. Also true is that it is part of a publicity stunt to A) call attention to the potential implications of corporations gaining personhood from Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, and B) raise their own public image as an effective PR firm. No one created a ruling - whatever that means - and quite probably, no one is going to allow Murray Hill, Inc. to run for the House, no matter how hilarious it might be.

    9. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by jdigriz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People always claim that if such-and-such would happen, 'x would move'. Or 'capital would flee; Well, sure, if you only change one thing, in your quest to reform the world. The reason the pro-corporate faction is always "Rah, rah free trade" is exactly so they have that option. to hold no allegiance to any country, and to flee if the People get uppity. If, at the same time you enact your other reforms, you reenact the capital controls that used to exist and you embargo trade with any corporation that pulls up stakes and leaves, then they're stuck. The megacorps need access to the largest (by dollar value) economy in the world. They'll fold like Glass Joe if we stand up to them. But people are surprisingly cowardly when it comes to the moneyed classes.

    10. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by mi · · Score: 5, Informative

      He didn't say he'd hire zero lobbyists. He said he wouldn't hire a lot of lobbyists.

      Weaselese...

      As in, of the field of lobbyists, most would not be getting a job offer in the Obama administration.

      Meaningless. There are tens of thousands of lobbyists in the US. Even if Obama staffed (stuffed?) his White House only with lobbyists, most of the the lobbyists would not have a job offer from him.

      Here is, what he declared on the first day in the office though — already a change of tone from the election campaign:

      In what ethics-in-government advocates described as a particularly far-reaching move, Mr. Obama barred officials of his administration from lobbying their former colleagues "for as long as I am president." He barred former lobbyists from working for agencies they had lobbied within the past two years and required them to recuse themselves from issues they had handled during that time.

      That policy was immediately violated:

      Mr. Obama's nominee for deputy secretary of defense, William Lynn, has been a lobbyist for the defense contractor Raytheon, and his nominee for deputy secretary of health and human services, William V. Corr, lobbied for stricter tobacco regulations as an official with the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

      And the list keeps growing...

      It would've all been fine, of course — the President is entitled to pick anyone for his Administration (save for a few posts, which must be approved by Congress), but his pre-election grandstanding is now hurting him — despite your and yours best efforts.

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    11. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Informative

      "If companies couldn't donate to campaigns, wealthy individuals would take their place. There's always someone with a purse who is willing to influence government."

      In many countries that isn't true. Hell McCain and Obama supported a bill pushing 'clean elections' where you aren't allowed to accept campaign donations and instead the government gives you a set allowance. So it isn't impossible to change or anything.

    12. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by FiloEleven · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without a doubt, it would be very difficult to put someone into a position like CIO without the person having had much in the way of experience with large and successful companies. If they selected someone that was not of that sort, they would be asking some other very serious questions like "what makes you qualified for this position?"

      This argument might have merit except that he was employed by Google as a lobbyist. He will be aware of new technologies, but only those developed by Google.

    13. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by the_other_chewey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This argument might have merit except that he was employed by Google as a lobbyist. He will be aware of new technologies, but only those developed by Google.

      Huh? Why? A good lobbyist better be aware of the stuff the competition is up to.

    14. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, but if you have half a million people, that million dollars becomes easy to deal with as well. The half a million actually has more power, because in a democracy votes count more than money. The money is only useful to the degree it can buy votes.

      The bottom line is this: the people who don't pay attention are going to be manipulated by those who are. If we want a fair system, everyone has to pay attention. Those who don't, lose. (I'm not trying to say how I want it to be, I'm just describing how it is. Still, it's hard for me to have any sympathy for the average guy who gets ripped off for not paying attention).

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    15. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by Vintermann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > There is only one real solution. Don't give any part of government or politicians too much power over too large a portion of the nation.

      Then they can just take the power they want through non-governmental channels. Where there are no chiefs, you need to have a very special environment indeed, or people will start making themselves into chiefs with tooth and nail.

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    16. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by sco08y · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps you should actually read the article before you link to it.

      Now that's just crazy talk.

    17. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by AndersOSU · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, he might just be in Canada's or Britain's pocket instead. The national CTO might be involved in some national security issues like cyberwarfare, right? Do you really want foreign nationals in sensitive appointed positions? (I say this as a child of an immigrant).

      Also keep in mind that public service positions pay comparatively poorly. This guy doesn't want to be a life-long civil servant, he either wants to get out and retire after Obama leaves office, or he wants to return to the private sector where he can make some real money again.

      I've got real issues with the intersection of money and politics. On the one hand I'm an ardent free-speech supporter. On the other, I think that "legal persons" have undue influence. It's a sticky situation, one that would work itself out with what I consider a fairer income distribution. The middle class needs to make more money (this includes civil servants) and the middle-upper and upper-upper classes need to make a lot less.

    18. Re:No lobbyists ...except mine. by Aceticon · · Score: 2, Informative

      His job was to influence lawmakers - a cross between a Saleman and a Power Broker.

      The skill set necessary to manage anything or evaluate any kind of technology barelly if at all overlaps with the skillset required in his previous job.

  2. Yawn by Mathinker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > ... is at odds with President Obama's promises

    Reality is at odds with (many of) President Obama's promises.

    Details at 11.

    1. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know its funny how outraged people get over appointments. Guess what. Each party has its set of 'experts'. Many have been around for 20-60 years in various positions in the government and private industry. When their party is out of favor they get cushy jobs at some company and wait for the tide to come back around.

      These dudes are professional politicians.

      When the republican party is back in favor (and it will be) they will trot out their group of experts to fill all those positions. Just as the Democrats have done in the past year or two.

      What do people honestly think these guys do while they are not in some sort of official office? They are helping some company weave its way thru the corridors of power. They are helping write up bills that they can give to their buddies in congress to get passed.

      I think it is funny that people are actually shocked that this is going on. The American government is about favors. Not about actually helping anyone... That gigantic healthcare bill that just passed? You dont think it was 1200 pages just because it was that hard to do? No. I would be large portions of it is little 'I will vote for it if you put my pet project in' type things. The reason you didnt see any republicans voting for it was because the Democrats didnt want to owe any favors to them, not because they were actually listening to their constituents. Just as the republicans did in 2001 with the tax bill.

    2. Re:Yawn by B1oodAnge1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it is funny that people are actually shocked that this is going on.

      I'm not at all shocked.
      I am fucking pissed though, and you should be too.

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    3. Re:Yawn by Johnberg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's worse? A oil company lobbyist as vice president or a google lobbyist in a position no one cares about?

  3. Maybe Google Buzz automatic opt-in isn't evil! by kimvette · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe the automatic opt-in of Buzz isn't so evil after all!

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    1. Re:Maybe Google Buzz automatic opt-in isn't evil! by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You would not find him making such comments about a Bush appointee.

      He wouldn't have to; a Dem would do it.

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    2. Re:Maybe Google Buzz automatic opt-in isn't evil! by pcolaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's be fair. The Bush administration got raked over the coals (rightly so) for using private webmail accounts to keep a lot of internal discussions off of public records. That's a big no-no. The Obama administration doing it is no more right than any other administration doing it. Keep the personal email for personal use. But it shouldn't be used for government business. Chances of him not using it at all for business related to his position within the Obama administration: Probably greater than 50% is what I'm guessing. If he's got nothing to hide, he should let a private auditor go over his gmail account to ensure that nothing government business related is on the gmail account, and if there is anything there government business related, he should disclose this and make those emails part of the White House document chain.

    3. Re:Maybe Google Buzz automatic opt-in isn't evil! by macshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No doubt, but from the description, there doesn't really seem to be any indication that he's done anything bad.

      It reads more like grand-standing by some random Republican trying to smear by insinuation ("the Bush administration intentionally used private email accounts to bypass public accountability laws ... therefore if someone in the Obama administration merely has a private email account, they must be doing the same thing!").

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    4. Re:Maybe Google Buzz automatic opt-in isn't evil! by pcolaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is a difference between having a private email account and using it to avoid the scrutiny of the public eye when doing business as a representative of the people of the United States of America. If he has nothing to hide as a representative of the people, have a private audit conducted to determine if there is anything that would need to be entered into the public log on his private email. That way if he has nothing that needs to be documented, then his personal email isn't aired out like dirty laundry, and he's kept looking honorable.

      And if he has emails that should be documented, then honestly, it shows he has something that he shouldn't be hiding. The whole point of making all email created while doing business under the hat of the US White House public knowledge is to keep the accountability ever present. You just assume that everything done on a private email is private business without at least doing due diligence and it creates a problem with the accountability, even if it's only the appearance of impropriety.

      There are a lot of things about the Bush White House that are probably legitimately honorable but because of appearances, took away credibility. Not defending them, but just saying that a lot of things that the Bush White House got smeared about were probably not as big a deal as made out to be, but because of actions they did take that raised questions, a lot of things were looked at as improper. I'd be willing to bet that half of the crap the prior administration took would probably have been avoided if they had been more open with their communication and not all smoke and daggers. Or perhaps there would be indictments for crimes committed. Who knows? The point is, if the Obama White House really wants to be about change, they'll change the way that the White House shows itself to the American People. Because from where a lot of people stand, this WH is hiding itself from public scrutiny (or trying to anyway) just as much as the last one did. Having public staffers who are previous lobbyists, which is precisely what the President said wouldn't happen, already betrays a bit of the trust that voters put in him. But then finding out that this staffer has a lot of private communications with the people he previously lobbied for, whether honest private communication that in no way affects how he advises the President or dishonest private communication that helps to dictate policy advise, appears to be cloak and dagger stuff just like what was seen with Bush 43. And really, appearance is everything.

  4. lolwut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Ex-Googler Obama Appointee Gets Buzz'ed"
    That realy sound like babble from a far, far future...

    "Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now."

  5. Re:Not everyone has a hidden agenda! by zill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No one mentioned anything regarding illegal activities. The congressmen is simply asking Mr. McLaughlin to explain himself. There's no accusation of criminal activity at all in this case.

  6. Re:Personal account? by e9th · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, the big question is whether he used his personal account to circumvent rules regarding communications made in his official capacity.

  7. Re:I have a right to expect a pony for christmas by pcolaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sad thing is people don't expect this at all. They hope for it, but they certainly (mostly) know better than to expect it. Obama's brand of change is no different than the brand of change pushed by any politician who's ever promised "change." The only difference is more people are willingly allowing the proverbial wool to be pulled over their eyes.

  8. Re:Not everyone has a hidden agenda! by pcolaman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am not and have never been a Google employee.

    So you are saying you are evil?

  9. Re:Not everyone has a hidden agenda! by Miseph · · Score: 3, Insightful

    On the contrary, doing that in a public, official way IS making such an accusation. Reporting it in this way is a means of making the current administration look corrupt. The entire thing is most likely going to come to naught (but hey, if it turns out the guy is dirty, great), but any time it can be stuck into the back of people's minds that "Obama is corrupt", there are many people who will attempt to do so. If there is nothing to it, nobody will ever hear about it again anyway.

    This is not new, nor is it unique to Obama. For some reason people seem much more eager to jump on any potential issue, no matter how trivial, with him than most, but the principle is the same.

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  10. I wonder if he cut off his friends on Facebook by OctaviusIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    WTF? The fuss makes no sense for a number of reasons: 1) A former high-level Google official has emailed other high-level Google officials through his Gmail account, and is probably friends with them.
    2) High-level Google officials will be interested to see what the CTO of the Executive Branch is up to, no matter who that CTO is.
    3) This needs to be kept an eye on, but is not indicative of endemic corruption by any stretch. Get a grip, folks!

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  11. Re:Not everyone has a hidden agenda! by Miseph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "1) You seem to think that the current administration ISN'T corrupt.'

    I've seen nothing to credibly indicate that it is particularly corrupt. Corruption is nearly universal to social constructs, including governments, businesses, clubs, schools, consortiums, and even informal groups of friends... it is, in some form, almost omnipresent. The question isn't whether or not the current administration is corrupt, it is to what extent it is corrupt, and to what extent it is more or less corrupt than others. In my opinion, there is insufficient credible evidence to conclude that it is notably more corrupt than other presidential administrations I can recall. This is not even remotely the same thing as concluding that there is no corruption.

    "2) The political news media types jump on any potential issue, no matter how trivial, and no matter who it's about, because scandal brings ratings"

    Yes, that was pretty much what I said... How am I fooling myself again?

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  12. What about all the Justice Department by greenbird · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They're investigating this but not that pretty much every appointee to the Justice Department formerly worked for the entertainment industry in one form or another?

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  13. Re:Personal account? by e9th · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If Bush/Cheney did it, does that somehow make what McLaughlin allegedly did okay?

  14. Re:I have a right to expect a pony for christmas by pcolaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only is this President putting out scripts just like the last President (and quite honestly, every President since before FDR), but a good chunk of the press not only prints it, but eats it up. I've never seen as much press love for a President as I've seen with the current one. The same people that are supposed to help hold the government accountable and keep them at least semi-honest are really just reporting what the talking heads are saying. You want to talk about the media questioning anything. First off, the media was all over Bush for most of the 8 years. The boy didn't do a thing without people questioning his motives, for better or worse. Some of it was well warranted questioning, and some of it was just smear campaigns run by the opposing party. This time around it's much different. Almost all of the reporting about Obama on virtually all of the news networks is basically how the mean Republicans are being mean to him and how he's just trying to be a nice man. Some things Obama is getting attacked on by the conservatives are justified, and then some is typical bias smear. But really, you don't see many people honestly and openly questioning anything this current government does, and the ones that are, mainly conservative news outlets, are getting smeared for trying to keep people at least semi-honest, regardless of their own motives (it's well documented that media outlets themselves are only semi-honest at best and have their own agendas, so let's not have that argument). I miss the days when the media was a watchdog against abusive government, and not a cheerleader for it. Those days are long gone, obviously.

    Please don't try to pretend that somehow the media is being fair and aggressive in keeping the current administration honest, and also don't try to pretend that the media wasn't all over Bush pretty much from day one, but especially after the Iraq invasion. The man could've saved puppies from a burning tree, and the media would've tried to make him out to be a tyrant for it. The man fucked up plenty, and he did plenty that he was also made to appear to fuck up on and really didn't deserve flak for, but for all of the media reporting you'd have to be really kidding yourself to think that somehow the media gave him a pass on anything. I mean, seriously, please tell me you aren't that naive, are you?

  15. Re:I have a right to expect a pony for christmas by pcolaman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sadly, there are many people who think of them as an honest unbiased source of news. I think of them as a new age Benny Hill show. Funny to watch, grows old after a while, but added absolutely nothing of value to my life.

  16. WTF? Buzz'ed? by edittard · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is this some new rule about apostrophe usage? I tell you what, I'll be pretty piss'ed if there was a memo and I miss'ed it or it whizz'ed over my head.

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  17. Re:WTF? Buzz'ed? by selven · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes the rules have changed, but:

    1) It's a rule about a'po's'tro'phe usage, I don't know where you're getting this word "apostrophe" from.
    2) You don't say "there was a memo", you say "they're was a memo"

    Than'queue for you're co'operation.

  18. Promises kept by slapout · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's see...

      Close Gitmo...chec...oh wait...
      Health Care negotiations in public view..chec...oh wait...
      No lobbyists...chec...oh wait...

    Politics as usual...check.

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