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WikiLeaks' International Man of Mystery

AcidAUS writes "The founder of WikiLeaks lives a secret life in the shadow of those who blow the whistle. Here's a detailed profile of the Australian founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, by Australian newspaper The Sydney Morning Herald."

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  1. Looks like the discrediting is well begun by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You gotta hand it to the CIA. When they attack something like Wikileaks, they really take the long view.

    First, show how Wikileaks is somehow providing incorrect/incomplete/biased information. Now, set the founder up for more publicity, implicitly encouraging violence upon him.

    It's a chilling effect on anyone who might be initially inclined to provide information to Wikileaks under their cover of anonymity.

    1. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by Animaether · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, show how Wikileaks is somehow providing incorrect/incomplete/biased information http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2010/04/truth-but-not-the-whole-truth.html. Now, set the founder up for more publicity, implicitly encouraging violence upon him.

      If that article was intended to show that Wikileaks is "providing incorrect/incomplete/biased information", then that article failed on numerous accounts. I won't list them here - it looks like the people commenting on that article (although going off the deep end in another way) have already taken that bother. I highly doubt that was its intent anyway as it goes more into the general topic of what you see in a video and what the actual circumstances were. It still fails even at that, but it's not really directed at Wikileaks.

    2. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      So the CIA controls both the New Yorker and the Sydney Morning Herald?

    3. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      So the CIA controls both the New Yorker and the Sydney Morning Herald?

      Yeah, on top of that, they control Slashdot. Oh, and anyone who even nods at all positively toward the war in Iraq then you can be sure that the CIA is behind it and controlling them. Oh and you, Anonymous Coward, you are the most CIA controlled actor around. Did you see how you just questioned a conspiracy theory? That reeks of CIA.

    4. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, you just gave away the secret wikireek site from Asia!

    5. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Jayzuz. PR firms feed the journalists with pre-researched, pre-angled cases. The journalist checks a few of the facts, rewrites the prose a bit/writes the prose. And the desk approves. Everybody does this: Government, big tobacco, Toyota, UNICEF. Everybody. There's no need to control the media when the productivity expectations of the journalists ensures they are toothless and more than happy to regurgitate your propaganda.

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    6. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by chrb · · Score: 5, Informative

      Now, set the founder up for more publicity, implicitly encouraging violence upon him.

      Assange brings publicity on himself. He is the media friendly face of Wikileaks. He won the 2009 Amnesty International Media Award and he has been a guest speaker at various international conferences. He chose to be interviewed on Al Jazeera, which is watched by 50-100 million households. I'm not suggesting that he actively seeks publicity for himself, but he does choose to seek it on behalf of Wikileaks, in order to further the Wikileaks mission.

      It's a chilling effect on anyone who might be initially inclined to provide information to Wikileaks under their cover of anonymity.

      Assange chose not to be anonymous so the analogy does not apply. Read his Wikipedia biography for more information. There is no evidence that this will have any effect on anonymous leakers. The people opposed to Wikileaks have various options at this point:

      • Undermine and discredit Wikileaks by publically unmask some of the anonymous leakers
      • Ignore Wikileaks, and accept that leaking happens.
      • Use Wikileaks by leaking "friendly" info, info that makes opponents look bad, etc.
      • Discredit Wikileaks by leaking info that is subsequently shown to be false.
      • Push for the legislation and political will to punish Wikileaks as a criminal organisation that undermines national security.
    7. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by Angua · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You gotta hand it to the CIA. When they attack something like Wikileaks, they really take the long view.

      Well, I don't see anything in the article as being particularly discrediting to Julian Assange. It appears that he has a secret past involving nomadic life and computer hacking. I don't know about the rest of you, but considering his current career pretty much consists of being constantly on the move and publish classified documents online I find that amazingly non-shocking.

      Not that the CIA might not be involved in this, they might, what do I know? But if they are, they are either taking the long, long, infinity-can-be-seen-on-a-good-day-long view or are just really inept.

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    8. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But they did and do present the data in a biased way.
      Look at the prologue they added to the video. Just what does a picture of the dead reporters son holding his fathers picture have to do with truth?
      That is a classic case of "what about the kids" that gets so often bashed on Slashdot when it is convenient.
      For the most part what I have seen of Wikileaks they are the Nation Enquirer of the internet. They present the data in the most inflammatory way possible and it is often incorrect, incomplete, and biased.
      They do not just present the data but comment on and embellish.

      I am not for taking them down but my goodness they need to clean up their act. Between releasing all sorts of personal data they got from the 9/11 pager traffic to the prologue and added commentary they added the the Apache video just released they show that they don't care anymore about being unbiased or responsible than Fox news does.

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    9. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by digitalchinky · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the article was just trying to milk the whole wikileaks publicity train for an extra 15 minutes of fame :-)

      Espionage in real life is more likely to land your backside in jail (naturally a few exceptions here and there): Back when I was working for 'them' (secret 3 letter agency) there was a guy who tried to sell a certain ELINT publication to a foreign country - as far as classified documents go, this one was (and still is) pretty damned important, with a short shelf life. Ultimately not of much interest to anyone other than the people that make use of it. What struck me as both amusing and interesting was that representatives of this particular country returned the document and helped out with the investigations. Naturally the guy is sitting in a cell. A good many classified documents and publications can sometimes (read: very rarely) be interesting, but it's often not the publication itself that is important, it's how it came to exist. Politicians are a terribly leaky bunch, but they are also usually a little smarter than they look, you rarely, virtually never, hear them talk about collection systems.

      My point: throughout all of the agencies I worked for over the years, WikiLeaks was pretty low on the Radar. So low that most people, until now, had no idea it actually existed. It might be a very small PR problem every once in a while, but this little pony show you saw on CNN is about publicity just at the moment. Nothing more, nothing less. War sucks for sure, but cherry picking pieces of a story to highlight ones own agenda, that's not cool, though it probably does bring in the money, fame, hookers and whatever.

      Disclaimer: I'm just one guy though, so what matters to me might not be viewed the same way by another. If you feel differently this is okay. I'm good with it. Slashdot actually gets far higher publicity than WikiLeaks anyway. Some of these 3 letter agencies may or may not have even approached Mr Taco (and others) for permission to graft certain articles along with their comments such that they are visible 'on the other side of the air gap' so to speak.

    10. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by daveime · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, and anyone who even nods at all positively toward the war in Iraq then you can be sure that the CIA is behind it and controlling them

      Guys, didn't anyone tell you, the war in I-raq is over already.

      Don't worry, you've still got the war on drugs, the (generic) war on terror, and the war in Afghanistan to win (i.e. beat the enemy senseless in 12 days, then stay there for 10 years too long until the locals get pissed and ask you to leave).

      And coming soon to a munitions manufacturer near you, advance orders for the war on I-ran.

      There was a time when winning a war meant going in, killing the bad guys, grabbing all the boots you could carry, and coming home again, not forgetting to burn the place to the ground on the way out. I'm not sure if the message got lost in translation across the Atlantic or what ?

    11. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by vlm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some of these 3 letter agencies may or may not have even approached Mr Taco (and others) for permission to graft certain articles along with their comments such that they are visible 'on the other side of the air gap' so to speak.

      As it says at the bottom, "Comments are owned by the Poster."

      So I checked my Slashdot Achievements list and right in between "Got a score 5 comment" and "Days metamoderated in a row" I see "NSA hall of fame" they need to ask me for permission not Cmdr Taco. Note to Cmdr Taco -> A good achievement for 4/1/2011

      No idea what the NSA wants with articles like "Help Me Get My Math Back?" or "Hollywood's Growing Obsession With Philip K. Dick" (which would have been much funnier without the first and middle names)

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    12. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by gambino21 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just to be clear they presented the data in both an edited and unedited version . I would agree with you if wikileaks had released only the edited version, but the fact that they released the full video right next to the edited one, puts them several levels above something like National Enquirer IMO. It also puts them at a higher standard than most of the current US mainstream media which is usually very light on references and heavy on granting anonymity even when it's not needed.

      Did the edited video go overboard with the picture of the son in the edited video? Yes, probably. But in general I think wikileaks does a good job of providing unbiased information and filling a big gap left by most of the media.

    13. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by chrb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the most part what I have seen of Wikileaks they are the Nation Enquirer of the internet. They present the data in the most inflammatory way possible and it is often incorrect, incomplete, and biased. They do not just present the data but comment on and embellish.

      Look at wikileaks.org. The most recently leaked documents are reproduced in their entirety, with (usually) only one single paragraph to describe the document. The descriptions are descriptive and accurate (if you don't believe me - read them for yourself - stuff like "Quote for a US$85 million line of credit from FirstCaribbean to the government of the Turks & Caicos Islands."). How is a release of original source material along with one single descriptive paragraph "incorrect, incomplete, and biased.. commenting on and embellishing"?

      they don't care anymore about being unbiased or responsible than Fox news does.

      This is a ridiculous comparison. Fox News pushes opinion pieces as real news. It reproduces none - zero, nada, zilch - of its original sources. Wikileaks reproduces its sources in their entirety. They even released the original, unedited Apache video. If they did not care about being biased, then why would they released the original, unedited video? Has Fox News ever released the original source material of any contentious report? Ever? Probably not. And yet Wikileaks does this every single time as standard policy. There is a huge difference.

    14. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I won't agree or disagree with your sentiment, but I do think the analogy is misdirected.

      Wikileaks they are the Nation Enquirer of the internet. They present the data in the most inflammatory way possible and it is often incorrect, incomplete, and biased.

      As far as I know, The National Enquirer does not present incorrect, incomplete, or biased information in an inflammatory way. They just make shit up. That's a pretty big difference. I could learn a lot from Wikileaks, but I can learn nothing from the Enquirer.

    15. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by digitalchinky · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is going back a few years, but permit me to explain the logic used:

      Because the stories were being 'transplanted' from the real slashdot to some server or other 'as is', completely unmodified, everyone involved was okay with it.

      Possibly I've made it sound a bit more frequent that it actually was, though the stories were usually pretty high profile in so far as they related directly to the agencies themselves along with public knowledge and perception thereof.

      I would definitely give you an irony mod if such a thing existed, some people here do indeed have fame they don't realize they have.

    16. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No they don't they have one marked as the short version and one as the full version. The short version has the prologue on it and is put on the top of the order.
      There should be only one and that is the unedited on with out the commentary. There is no reason for their to be two versions at all except to allow for manipulation disguised as making it clearer.
      Wikileaks can not make any claim as to being unbiased. They are clearly in this case taking on the job of judge, jury, and prosecutor.
      Please even the URL you posted is inflammatory. collateralmurder.com! Gee no slanting there at all.
      So just how is this in your own words "doing a good job at providing unbiased information"?

      This is as bad as any hatchet job by 60 minutes or Fox News. I think you need to review what unbiased really means. There is no way anything posted under the url of collateralmurder can be considered unbiased when the url and title on the page are clearly biased as to what the actions shown constitute. I can not believe that you posted a link to the url and still defend any claim of being unbiased!

      Nope it is classic yellow journalism.

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    17. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And this video doesn't push opinion? Gee so you think that the URL collateralmurder isn't biased?
      Showing times when they are no biased doesn't remove times when they clearly are. Even the times when they behave as you show in their examples shows bias. They have decided that that leak isn't worth pushing while this video is.
      The fact that they made a special project page for this video and of course put it at the top of the page right next to their fund raising request is not bias at all. Or the fact that they only put the edit version with inflammatory prologue on the front page isn't an example of bias on their part.

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    18. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes of course because you are so enlightened that you understand these things while the unwashed masses must be guided to understanding.
      It must be made clear to them because they are not as smart as you or as not as caring.

      You see most people can not just be shown facts because they will not understand...
      Do you really want to go down that road.
      Manipulation must always be wrong if it is ever wrong.
      I am sure that if they showed a bunch of solders holding their children on their laps saying how there children would never have known their daddy if the gunship crews hadn't had protected them you would be all right with it?
      Manipulation and bias is manipulation and bias. You are okay with it or you are not. If you are ok with it when is supports your view then you have been enlisted as a manipulator.

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    19. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Look at the prologue they added to the video. Just what does a picture of the dead reporters son holding his fathers picture have to do with truth?

      Look: If you publish a video to millions of people that shows how a reporter, a man with kids and wife, is being shot from the air, tries to escape deadly wounded by crawling away, then dies while the people who try to help him (and their children) are also getting shot, and subsequently is being overrun by a tank while his killers make jokes about it, then it is only fair to give some of his surviving family members a chance to show a picture of how he looked like when he was still happy and alive. If you think that's biased, then I can't help getting the feeling that you also might be biased a bit more than average or have lost all sense of humanity.

    20. Re:Looks like the discrediting is well begun by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Again with an emotional plea. Of course it is tragic that this gentleman died and that his child is an orphan. But him having a child or even being a reporter has nothing to do with was the Apache crew justified in shooting or if it was a war crime.
      You are using one emotional manipulation to justify another.
      Suppose instead we showed vets with their kids saying how they wouldn't have gotten home without that Apache crew protecting them? You would claim that was just emotional manipulation as was the prologue added to this video.
      Justice is supposed to be blind and only look at the facts. This video contains a prologue that is designed to push the viewer into agreeing with the conclusion of the people that edited the video. Even the URL that it was listed under is inflammatory. If you don't think that is biased then you don't understand the meaning of the word.
      To be unbiased they should just present the video without commentary and let each of us decide for ourself. Any commentary changes it from unbiased information to editorial content that reflects the views of those making the commentary.
      Even your comment that me seeing the bias shows that I am biased is just silly. Claiming I have lost all sense of humanity is just insulting.
      However to be an unbiased source of news (and they are very rare) you really should let the viewer decide without adding emotional manipulation.
      Let the evidence speak for it's self or admit that you are a biased source.

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  2. Re:there's another australian creator of edgy cont by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It used to be leaps and bounds ahead, but in the last few years, I'm not so sure. The GP is right, it seems like almost every kooky story about oppressive laws, internet filtering, censorship, etc. is coming out of Australia lately. Even China is starting to look more open than Australia, and that's just sad. I'm glad that Australians are trying to do something about this, but it certainly took them long enough to finally realize that their country's international reputation is starting to really suffer.

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  3. why all the publicity? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the second time I've seen Julian Assange come up in reference to the video. I wonder why he's giving all this publicity? Surely this will hamper his efforts and get him on watch lists that make it difficult for him to travel. Maybe he's succumbing to the temptation to become infamous. Or maybe he just feels this is the best way to make sure the media hangs onto this story to make sure something changes. The interesting thing is that if he is a hacker, it makes it all that more interesting about how wikileaks is getting their stuff. Is it really even being leaked?

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  4. Shadow Broker by tecnico.hitos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He only supports Wikileaks as charity work.

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  5. Re:there's another australian creator of edgy cont by tsm_sf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, the political system in Australia is a disgrace, but is leaps and bounds ahead of that in the US

    And this coming from the folks who gave us Rupert Murdoch? I'm going to have to politely disagree.

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  6. Re:there's another australian creator of edgy cont by poena.dare · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, the Aussies "gave" us Rupert Murdoch, all right. Thus turning him loose to do more damage worldwide than in their own country. I'd say that was a smart move.

    I'm surprised the Japanese haven't used the same tactic with Godzilla.

  7. Re:there's another australian creator of edgy cont by Cimexus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although I can see why Slashdot might give you that impression, do remember that the reporting on here is usually quite sensationalist.

    Australia doesn't yet have an internet filter (hell, the Bill hasn't even been introduced into the House yet, and even if it passed there would face near-certain death in the Senate), and it's been aggressively fought every step of the way. Contrast this with China, which obviously has a well-known filter (and one far, far more intrusive than the simple URL blacklist proposed in AU). Contrast this further with other countries have introduced an AU-like filter quietly and without much debate (most recently, New Zealand).

    If anything, it shows that the democratic process is working well in Australia, the fact that you are hearing and seeing so many stories (read: so much opposition) to such proposals.

    The other kooky story you are likely to have heard out of Australia in the last 12 months is the lack of an R rating for computer games. There's been quite a breakthrough on that front, with the one man primarily responsible for blocking the introduction of the R rating retiring as South Australian Attorney-General. His replacement has publicly stated they are in support of an R rating for games. So it appears we'll get our R rating within the not too distant future, bringing us into line with the classification systems in the US and EU.

    Australia has problems like any country. But I don't think they are anywhere on the scale of China, or even on the scale of other Western countries like the UK (far more surveillance there than in AU). The US overall has a good record on such matters, but it too is not perfect (witness the whole warrantless logging/tapping of public phone conversations debacle etc.). The problems might be ~different~ in other countries but they are no less serious.

  8. More info on the guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More information on Assanage the reporter doesn't know about...

    Back in the early 90's, APANA, The Australian Public Access
    Network Association, kicked 'proff' out because he was using
    their network to crack into overseas systems. APANA was
    threatened with disconnection because of his attempts were traced
    easily. proff was already a known kook, who was attempting to
    make his system 'suburbia' (later suburbia.net) a global
    CyBeRpUnK HQ, his quest being to become the ULTIMATE CYBERPUNK
    who could overthrow governments (sound familiar..?) When we
    kicked him out, he spammed and attempted to DDoS apana.org.au. :/

    1. Re:More info on the guy... by jbezorg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If he does, he should upload it to Wikileaks...

      I say that in jest but thinking about it more, it would be a very good litmus test for the statement "He is not politically motivated. He is more concerned with truth and the quest for it."

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  9. Re:there's another australian creator of edgy cont by Cimexus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Er ... although I certainly am opposed to any form of censorship on the Internet, I do feel obliged to point out that Mr. Evers is not Australian. His lawyer has simply informed him that because he has broken an Australian law (whether or not you agree with the appropriateness of that law, which in this case pertains to racially discriminatory language/hate speech ... conveniently omitted from what you've quoted), setting foot in Australia in the future ~may~ result in his being detained.

    The same would apply to an Australian who breaks a US law (and believe me, you have your fair share of wacky laws too, including some that are very similar to the law Mr. Evans is alleged to have breached) - if they attempt to visit the US in the future they are likely to be arrested at the border. Mr. Evans may have family in Australia (as referred to in what you have quoted above), but he himself is not Australian. So the whole "he cannot return to his homeland" thing doesn't really apply.

    Having said that I agree with the main anti-censorship sentiment of your post :)

  10. Re:there's another australian creator of edgy cont by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Haven't you heard? In Australia, the penalty for serious crimes is exile to the United States.

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  11. It's a warzone. by TheLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually such things are inevitable in a warzone. That's why you should never start wars lightly[1]. Lots of bad stuff will happen.

    It's obvious to many in hindsight that it's a camera. But if you look it from the POV from a paranoid nervous young military helicopter pilot, it does look like the tube of a RPG - esp when the camera sticks out from behind the wall...

    What follows after that is just what soldiers do - they kill people, and they are _conditioned_ to think it's OK to kill people. So they make up all sorts of excuses so that they can pull the trigger.

    If the helicopter pilot isn't paranoid enough, he or his friends will get killed. Because there ARE people out there who are out to kill him and his friends, and yes sometimes there are children around when it happens. And yes, both sides can be relaxed and merrily joking about stuff minutes before they blow away the other side.

    War is how you get otherwise reasonable people to kill strangers they have never met and would otherwise be happy to sit down and have a meal with together. You set things up so that if they don't kill the other side, the other side would kill them and/or their friends. If that doesn't happen, you kill/punish them for disobeying orders.

    To me the appalling bit is not that civilians were killed because the pilot made a mistake, it's that the war was either started due to lies or incompetence.

    I have to say though that the US military seem to have a reputation of being more trigger happy, and even since the WWII days - the joke goes that when a German plane flies over, the British take cover; when a British plane flies over, the Germans take cover; when a US plane flies over, everyone takes cover... ;)

    [1] http://slashdot.org/journal/208853/How-to-reduce-unwanted-wars

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  12. KILL AUTHO WAS GIVEN BEFORE RPG by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 2, Informative

    As @wikileaks keeps repeating on twitter, the authotisation to kill was given before any mention of an RPG. IIRC they only mentioned that they are "armed", which they admittedly are, since the amongst the victims were the bodyguards of the journalists. Unsurprisingly, bodyguards bear weapons in Iraq, and this was known since 2007

  13. The apache video is polarising by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The apache video brings out a bias on one side or another to people who have only heard about it let alone watched it. It would be hard to present it without bias so the best thing is to be upfront about why you are showing it to the world.
    In my view it divides those that are happy for the troops involved to be unprofessional, disobedient, undisciplined thugs because they are on our team and those that are not happy about it - but I'm biased.

    1. Re:The apache video is polarising by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ah yes, by the "limited info" comment it appears you think the rules of engagement and orders are "shoot first and ask questions later".
      A real war with professional soldiers is run somewhat differently to an action movie.
      Please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not "unteachable". Thanks for the petty little bullying personal attack to prey on the weak willed above BTW, it's a really nasty symptom of the decline of US education but with your low UID you should be old enough to know better by now.
      Now get off my lawn :)

    2. Re:The apache video is polarising by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Informative

      Frankly No.
      I also saw the video. From the resolution of the images I can honestly say that the they did look like they where armed and when the camera man was ducking around the the corner with his camera he did look like a shooter setting up an ambush.

      Other looked like they where caring weapons and the video cometary did say that they where caring AK-47s.

      In that situation with that data I can see how the crew could open fire.
      The van was not an Ambulance and was not marked with the Red Crescent or Cross.

      If you can not see how they could decide to shoot then yes you are not being reasonable.

      Yes I can understand how this error was made.
      I happened to be visiting family in Northern Ireland in the 80s during the troubles.
      I was with some other teens when a bomb went off a few blocks down. I didn't run fast enough and was knocked down by a British solder because I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
      I was shortly let go but I understand how errors can happen even when I was the target of that error. I was lucky that I wasn't hurt too bad but yes I could have been dead for no other reason than I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
      That is what happens in insurgent fights like Northern Ireland back then or Iraq now.

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    3. Re:The apache video is polarising by slick7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The video is NOT polarizing. The fact that the video was shot in 2007, and possibly viewed by the Pentgram and the chain of command, all the way up to the commander in chief, of 2007 is more disturbing.

      Soldiers in a war zone develop a "gallows humor" as a coping mechanism.

      THEY ARE IN A WAR ZONE. People die. Hopefully theirs and not ours. Soldiers follow orders, not determine the morality of an act.

      The politicians are supposed to be the moral compass of the military. But we all know they are the "bought dogs" of avarice.

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