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Dirty Duty On the Front Lines of IT

snydeq writes "Jobs may be scarce in today's economy, but there's no shortage of nasty IT work — as the third annual installment of InfoWorld's Dirty IT Jobs series demonstrates. From the payroll cop to the coolant jockey to the network sherpa who has to squeeze into rodent-filled spaces and deal with penny-pinching clients, these seven jobs provide further proof that dirty duty abounds on the front lines of IT."

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  1. FTA: by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    The hardest part of Andrew Bonar's job is convincing the world he's not a spammer. It's not easy. Just having "email deliverability consultant" on his business cards is enough to start the Viagra jokes.

    Somehow I don't think Andrew Bonar's job title is the reason for the Viagra jokes.

    1. Re:FTA: by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Funny

      The hardest part of Andrew Bonar's job is convincing the world he's not a spammer. It's not easy. Just having "email deliverability consultant" on his business cards is enough to start the Viagra jokes.

      The hardest ... Bonar ... is enough to start the Viagra jokes.

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  2. I fix code written by offshore Indian developers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fix the horribly shitty code written by offshore Indian "developers".

    The crap and stupidity I encounter from them daily is far worse than dealing with rodents, or cramped spaces, or spending months on the high seas.

  3. Dirty is Relative by Petersko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anybody thinks their IT job is dirty, they are sorely in need of a reality check.

    I have relatives that run pig farms.

    1. Re:Dirty is Relative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have relatives that run pig farms.

      Given the grooming habits of most NOC monkeys a server farm isn't that far off.

    2. Re:Dirty is Relative by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am in IT because I grew up on a farm on the Great Plains.

      I farmed, ranched and knew folks with pig farms, all of that motivated me to get a job where I didn't have to smell those things or get covered in hydraulic fluid on a regular basis.

    3. Re:Dirty is Relative by mjwalshe · · Score: 2, Funny

      yes but you normaly (BOFH aside) dont have to slughter them and dress the carcass

  4. Dust Bunnies and Asbestos by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've gone through my share of cluttered closets, dusty vents, underneath dirty desks, and cleaned the fluff off of old computers.

    However, nothing makes me feel dirtier than installing Windows Genuine Advantage, as part of the new computer deployment checklist.

    1. Re:Dust Bunnies and Asbestos by sconeu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I disagree. I did RTFA, and the guy tried to get the school district to do the right thing. They refused.

      And his second point, that it's damn near impossible to teach kids ethics when they know the district is cheating...

      I dislike the BSA as much as the next guy, but whenever I was the IT guy (and thank ha-Kadosh Baruch-hu, I'm not, right now), I always made sure that all our software was properly licensed.

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    2. Re:Dust Bunnies and Asbestos by idontgno · · Score: 2, Informative
      1. Stormtrooper effect.
      2. Bounty. Potentially, lots of bounty.
      3. One-stop shopping. Who wants to dial up lots of different vendors when you only have to drop one dime?
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    3. Re:Dust Bunnies and Asbestos by jafac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really?

      Because if my customer asks for it, as far as I'm concerned, I'm giving them what they paid for. All the headaches, tradeoffs, and everything else that goes with it. The worse Microsoft cripples the Windows ecosystem - the happier I am to push every line of crippleware out to their customers. There is enough literature out there, and people have dealt with Microsoft products' limitations long enough - even non-technical users should know better by now. I'm not responsible for their poor choices. I do that job to the ethical best of my ability. (If Windows is *not* up to the task, I'll give them my technical opinion. But I won't waste project time debating the issue or trying to redesign the system around an alternate OS - unless that's my specified task).

      The sooner my customers realize they're paying me to shoot them in the foot - the sooner they'll start paying me to load Ubuntu (or whatever) disks. But some people just seem to live in denial forever. Maybe human nature? Dunno.

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  5. You would think that he'd be an expert. by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With a name like that. But ...

    Bonar works with companies whose email isn't getting through to customers, thanks to overzealous spam filters. CEO and founder of EmailExpert, Bonar has to convince ISPs to let his clients' legitimate emails past their filters, while persuading his clients not to bend the rules.

    Dude, if your clients are going to "bend the rules" then they are spammers.

    Deal with it.

    1. Re:You would think that he'd be an expert. by TheLink · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're only spammers once they've committed the act.

      There are tons of bosses who think that it's a good idea to send out emails about their product/services to thousands of people who never asked for them (hey their product is wonderful after all, etc etc).

      You can convince some of them that it's not a good idea, in which case they don't become spammers.

      And there really are overzealous spamfilters. I've seen people here who think it's a great idea to block off entire IP ranges (not just for their personal systems, but at a corporate level).

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  6. Maybe the two most wrong sentences ever written by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Techies often play a little fast and loose with the truth. But it's the marketing hag who catches hell for it.

    Can someone please call an ambulance? I think these sentences may have caused my head to explode.

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    1. Re:Maybe the two most wrong sentences ever written by sjames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interestingly, as you read the write up, it turns out it's the managers lying their asses off that she has to cover for and actual geeks that let her know she was lied to. I guess the managers lied when they told her they were geeks too. That happens a lot when MBAs are allowed to manage geeks.

  7. Re:I fix code written by offshore Indian developer by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, is it cheaper to hire idiots to write most of the code and then hire someone smart later to fix it?

  8. Re:Lumping these guys with actual programmers by erkkituo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, they DO teach software engineers here at JAMK. That's right, programmers who actually hold engineering degrees.

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  9. This line in TFA says it all by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The geek personality is very different," says Bectel. "I've worked in a lot of different markets, and techies have much higher expectations for coverage than virtually any one else. It's because they're so passionate about what they do, and they expect everyone else to be equally passionate about it."

    The one line explanation of /.

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  10. Re:I fix code written by offshore Indian developer by WindowlessView · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > So, is it cheaper to hire idiots to write most of the code and then hire someone smart later to fix it?

    Doesn't the question answer itself? What's cheaper in the long run - install plumbing and wiring *while* the house is being built or afterwards?

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  11. Questionable ethics by spmkk · · Score: 2

    "As a computer science teacher at an East Coast high school, Smith became concerned when the district bought single-user licenses of Adobe Creative Suite and Microsoft Office, then installed them on network servers where 5,000 users could access them.

    Smith says he approached his superiors and the district's IT department and explained why that was wrong, but to no avail. So one day he called the Business Software Alliance and reported them...a few months after he contacted the BSA, his employers purchased legal licenses for its software."



    With what money, you self-righteous scumbag? This is a SCHOOL, and they're making do with what they have. It's not a for-profit corporation that's making money at the expense of another corporation's loss.

    To be sure, the school isn't in the right. But sinking to an even lower level of wrong isn't the solution. There's the letter of the law, and then there's doing the right thing. Looks like someone missed that chapter in ethics class.

    1. Re:Questionable ethics by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If an educational institution can't afford monopolyware then PIRACY is not the answer. If they can't pay their own way helping perpetuate the Microsoft monopoly, then perhaps they should not help perpetuate that crap to begin with.

      A kid doesn't need to learn the Brand X version of a particular sort of software.

      That's just nonsense perpetrated by middle aged idiots that couldn't adapt to something new if their life literally depended on it.

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    2. Re:Questionable ethics by spmkk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A kid doesn't need to learn the Brand X version of a particular sort of software.

      That's just nonsense perpetrated by middle aged idiots that couldn't adapt to something new if their life literally depended on it.

      The trouble is, a kid DOES need to learn Brand X of a particular sort of software, because the people he'll be working for/with use it and if he doesn't know it, they'll hire someone who does. In a sense, his life does depend on it.

      For all the fervor of the FOSS hype, here in the real world people need to make a living, and they go to school to learn the skills they need to do that. Beg, borrow or steal if you must, but if you are a school, your ultimate responsibility is to teach the skills that enable your students to succeed in the framework of a sometimes-inconvenient reality.

    3. Re:Questionable ethics by elfprince13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      because "Hi, I took a semester of photoshop my freshman year of high school" will totally get you a job in the real world. Middle school and high school students just need basic tech literacy and first exposures. Going to college or trade school is what's going to land you a job, and that is where you need to learn Brand X of a particular sort of software. Yes, there are exceptions to that (myself included, a couple years back), but the sorts of low-paying, under-the-table, tech jobs a high school student is going to land generally afford them the right to use whatever tools they feel comfortable with; because whatever local business or charity they're working for doesn't know jack-all about tech anyway, and will listen to whatever their new PFY says like it's the gospel truth.

    4. Re:Questionable ethics by corsec67 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, Word '97 is the same as Word 2007?

      XP is the same as Vista?

      How about instead of teaching how to use a single version of an OS or software suite, they teach kids how to use a word processor, and more general stuff about using a computer?

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    5. Re:Questionable ethics by Imagix · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I strongly disagree. For starters, your third solution, "Steal", is not an acceptable solution in a school. Ever.

      Second, a kid does not need to learn Brand X of a particular sort of software. They need to learn concepts, not specific implementations. So they should learn what a word processor is good for. Whether it's MS Word, or OpenOffice, or iWork (or pick some other word processor). Irrelevant. Learn what a word processor does. (Repeat for presentation software, spreadsheet, etc) It will make them more versatile in the real world. Additionally, the second option in there is free, thus solves the original problem of "we can't afford the licesnes". I have no idea what they need Creative Suite for. That's an even bigger sledgehammer than MS Office for putting in finishing nails.

      Yet another advantage for OpenOffice, since it is free, the kid can easily take a copy home and use it for homework there too, and not inflict a large licensing cost on the family too.

    6. Re:Questionable ethics by operagost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      With what money, you self-righteous scumbag?

      The people's tax money.

      It's not a for-profit corporation that's making money at the expense of another corporation's loss.

      Not if it's a public school. In that case, it's a government organization run at the consent of the people using our tax dollars and is not above the law.

      Smith says he approached his superiors and the district's IT department and explained why that was wrong, but to no avail.

      So what was he supposed to do next? Pay for the software out of his pocket?

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  12. Trademarks by ThrowAwaySociety · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...you're asked to throw a 'TM' after a product name, only to find out later it's not really trademarked

    Slapping that TM after a product name does trademark it, unless some direct competitor has already trademarked that same name first.

    Only the (R) (for Registered trademark) has to be...well, registered.

    1. Re:Trademarks by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep, so remember, folks: if you make lingerie, you can't call it "very sexy" because Victoria's Secret has trademarked it (no, really), and if you make baked goods, you can't say they're "fresh from scratch" because Schlotzky's has trademarked it (no, really).

      I don't know how well these trademark claims have stood up, but know for a fact I felt brain cells dying away when I saw these companies actually trying to claim IP rights in these terms for their product lines. Not just the outrageousness of trying to own these terms, but the fact that their marketing drones couldn't think of something more original!

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  13. Re:Lumping these guys with actual programmers by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    And yes, I realize some OLDER person will get on this thread and say "I'm a train engineer - a real engineer - unlike these punks with engineering 'degrees'"

    Of course, engineers existed before train drivers; but that's another story...

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  14. Payroll cop fubar by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If, as the article relates, Jennifer Hoffman had to call the data center and walk them through the process of manually restarting the one, single, solitary payroll server, a few items come to mind:

    1) The people doing the upgrades without considering their impact should be shot on sight. Anyone who has worked more than a week in a network environment knows, or should know, that when you are considering an upgrade to anything, you have to find out who else is impacted by the upgrade.

    2) Relying on said single, solitary server for payroll is just begging for disaster. For a highly critical task such as payroll, having one point of failure is beyond stupid. One deserves what one gets if the server dies.

    3) The person who was fired but was still able to log time so they got paid was smart, the people who administered user accounts and security were not. Basic rule when someone is fired/let go/whatever is you disable their account. Immediately. Whomever in IT let this little gem get by should also be shot.

    4) Having only one person who knew how to run the payroll software was, like issue 2 above, beyond stupid. Does no one use the bus principle any more? For the uninitiated, if someone gets run over by a bus, can they be replaced by someone else with minimal downtime? Are their tasks documented? What about quirky procedures that need to be done?

    These are just basic questions I had when I read that job. My other question was, what company did she work for so I can introduce myself to them as a "Risk Mitigation Specialist"?

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    1. Re:Payroll cop fubar by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bus Principal is only employed after it actually happens. We had this very same discussion years ago, then one day, one of the techs woke up dead.

      Took the rest of the team better part of a month to get things all torn down and put back together because nobody had the keys to anything.

      It will not happen again. Once was enough

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    2. Re:Payroll cop fubar by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      2) Relying on said single, solitary server for payroll is just begging for disaster. For a highly critical task such as payroll, having one point of failure is beyond stupid. One deserves what one gets if the server dies.

      Do you work with me? Sounds like half of the conversation we have here on a regular basis.

      I work in the shop of a computer store and at least three times a year someone comes in with an off-the-shelf $400 PC that they need fixed ZOMG YESTERDAY because it's their payroll server and 10-200 people need their paychecks ASAP. (For about half, it's the end of the week. For the other half, it's end of the DAY. And it's 4:45 when they bring the PC in and they close at 5:00.) Then when we tell them that it won't be ready in 15 minutes they get angry. And if their hard drive died, it gets better. The first thing they say when we tell them that their information is, short of a data recovery company's best efforts, gone forever is ALWAYS "But that's the only copy!"

      Seriously? Single point of failure, no redundancy, no backup, and any sort of failure means 200 people who want their paychecks being mad at YOU? Might as well just have sent everyone a gift-wrapped torch or pitchfork for Christmas.

  15. Re:Lumping these guys with actual programmers by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "IT" is, as you say, a very broad term, so there is nothing at all unusual or problematic about having Real Serious Software Engineers, PhDed computer scientists, and basic server screwdriver monkeys under that heading.

    Take the analogy of "Public health": Public health means MDs, and PhD epidemiologists, and biochemists and stuff; but it also means the sweaty guy with the pipe wrench who makes sure that your water comes up your water pipe, your sewage goes down your sewage pipe, and the two don't get confused on their way to your mouth. Same goes for the dubiously literate kid at McDonalds who checks the core temperature of the "beef" patty because the pictograms in the employee handbook told him to.

    Obviously, any screwdriver jockey who calls himself a "hardware engineer" just because he replaces dead hard drives when the SAN LEDs change color to tell him to needs a smacking. As does any ITT Tech Java monkey who calls himself a "software engineer". However, the idea that "IT" consists exclusively of upper-echelon engineering experts is transparently silly. A huge percentage of the labor involved in making a real-world IT system run basically has little or no relationship with hardware or software engineering at all.

  16. Re:I fix code written by offshore Indian developer by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you can re-write what they spit out as a support function, you are working too cheap. And of course the company's accounting system is worse than the State of Arizona's. Which is bad.

    What you just said was also 'I can do it as well as they can, all by myself, within a support timeline'. So you and/or your boss are not selling your abilities either. But that's another topic - how do you sell to management what they aready have? Imagine the hilarity when they realize they paid twice for the project, and one of the costs is already in the house...

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  17. Those qualify as dirty jobs in this industry? by barzok · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mike Rowe would laugh at every last one of them.

    1. Re:Those qualify as dirty jobs in this industry? by KlomDark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hell, he'd take one look at it and start a company called...

      Wait for it...

      MikeRoweSoft...

      Yes, it's already been done...

  18. Re:Theft vs Infringement by trapnest · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well if the original DVD was actually stolen, that makes installing it on 100 computers about 97.3 times worse.

  19. Re:I fix code written by offshore Indian developer by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My observations: There are some very good Indian developers. There are some very cheap Indian developers. My observations do not include any overlap between the two.

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  20. Re:Lumping these guys with actual programmers by syrinx · · Score: 2, Funny

    And yes, I realize some OLDER person will get on this thread and say "I'm a train engineer - a real engineer - unlike these punks with engineering 'degrees'"

    Of course, engineers existed before train drivers; but that's another story...

    Somehow I doubt ballista-building Romans are going to be posting on Slashdot, though.

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  21. Re:Rudigger by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's amazing how utterly disgusting office workers can be.

    Absolutely. As one who has had the "pleasure" of moving/removing equipment, it is amazing at how disgusting some people are. I distinctly remember one case where I had to go to some machines and do a manual update. As I leaned over to put my fingers on the keys of a keyboard, I paused as I looked down and saw, as Tyr is my witness, that there was fungus or something growing from between the keys.

    If you saw the movie Apollo 13 as they were preparing to fire up the command module for reentry and Kevin Bacon paused before asking about what the effect of the condensation would be on the electronics, yeah, that was me too when I saw this keyboard.

    There are several people in the building where I work where I swear they eat their crackers directly over the keyboard. How they can possibly think that is hygienic or that the keyboard will function properly is beyond me.

    And let's not forget the people who have to stack twenty pounds of pictures, in frames, Beanie Babies (remember those?), lotion bottles and other goodies all over their desks.

    If a fire were to break out and clear out a few of these rooms, that would only be a good thing.

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  22. Re:I fix code written by offshore Indian developer by willith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Imagine the hilarity when they realize they paid twice for the project, and one of the costs is already in the house...

    Judging by how most workplaces function, his employer would immediately source the in-house cost. Then they'd end up with one offshore code house fixing another offshore code house's mistake. They'd still pay twice for the work, but now it would be "aligned to strategy."

  23. Re:I fix code written by offshore Indian developer by thebagel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My observations show roughly the same thing. My observations also show that roughly the same pattern applies to American developers, a fact that most (not necessarily you) tend to forget.

  24. Re:Lumping these guys with actual programmers by thebagel · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Engineers work to develop economic and safe solutions to practical problems, by applying mathematics, scientific knowledge and ingenuity while considering technical constraints." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer Software engineers fit this definition just as well as any ME/CE/EE (I'm an EE, personally).

  25. Its Missing by KingPin27 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are missing a fairly dirty job in IT... Help Desk / Service Desk / Catch All Desk / fix it its not working desk..... Spend a year here and see what you think of your sanity and cleanliness after. Most of these people wouldn't know about network problems or pr0n infesting spyware unless the Help Desk dealt with it first.

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  26. Re:Mod parent up. by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Speaking of Marketing, I've got to register some serious objections to this gem in TFA:

    The dirty part? Techies often play a little fast and loose with the truth. But it's the marketing hag who catches hell for it.

    TFA goes on to berate techies for claiming something is ready when it isn't, etc. I don't buy it. Most techies I know are too truthful for their own good, partly because of the b/w nature of our world, and partly as an allergic reaction from cleaning up too many overpromise/underdeliver SNAFUs we inherit from Sales and Marketing types. I've been on the techie end of that equation too many times, and although you can take my unconfirmed anecdotal data as you wish, my guess is that most here have had similar experiences.

    Hypothetical conversation between techie and marketing hag:

    MH: So, I'm like, trying to put together a press release and a flyer about OurLatestCoolthing1.0, and I was hoping you could like, help me with the technical parts.
    T: Yeah, sure. Happy to help.
    MH: Oh cool. So, like I talked to your manager, and he said that OLC v1.0 is fully Web 2.0 and cloud compliant, and is guaranteed to save companies 50% of their IT budget. Then he ...
    T: What? No. That's just wrong. Are you sure he said that?
    MH: [puzzled look] Yeah. I like just got done talking with him, and he said to talk to you, because you could like explain it better.
    T: Oh. [mental note to speak to the boss man] Yeah, well you probably don't want to say "Web 2.0 and cloud compliant", because that doesn't make sense. There is no "Web 2.0" or "cloud" standard per se, and so there's really nothing to be compliant with ...
    MH: [scribbling furiously] Wait, what? Standard? What do you mean?
    T: There is no "cloud computing" standard. It's just a buzzword. You can't be compliant with it because ... [notices the MH's eyes glazed over] Okay, say something like this - "OLC 1.0 leverages Web 2.0 technology to bring the power of cloud computing to your fingertips."
    MH: [eyes light up] Oh! Good! I could use that! [scribbles] Okay, "OLC 1.0 leverages Web 2.0 technology to bring the power of cloud computing to your fingertips.
    T: You probably don't want to guarantee any specific level of savings, either. Have you talked to Sales about that?
    MH: Okay. Great, thanks! [leaves cubicle, then sticks head back in for one more question] Oh, by the way, how many engineers do we have certified on this?
    T: Right now? No one. We just finished building the platform, and we haven't finished writing the training material yet. Why?
    MH: Oh. How many will you have trained by like the end of next week?
    T: Uhh, none. Not until the training material is finished. Talk to the technical writers and trainers.
    MH: [worried] But like, how many will you eventually have trained?
    T: [shrugs] Well, all the inbound tech support guys, for starters, and then ...
    MH: Oh! Right! Good! So like, how many of them are there?
    T: Eight guys at the moment, but ...
    MH: Great ... thanks! Bye!

    Half an hour later, the phone rings. A sales guys calls up to ask about the OLC v1.0. He just saw the latest marketing press release, and is really glad to see that it is "Web 2.0 and Cloud compliant".

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  27. Re:Lumping these guys with actual programmers by Shompol · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is a possible test: Civil engineers are personally responsible for errors in their work. If they design a structure and it falls down because of their errors, they are personally responsible. Do coders accept this level of responsibility for the bugs in their code? If so, maybe they are engineers.

    Here is another spin: what if the structure falls down because of errors in the computer design software, which was used to design the structure, who will take the blame?
    Hint: it's the corporation, not the little guy. There are supposed to be reviews and tests, both in computer and civil engineering.

  28. Re:I fix code written by offshore Indian developer by billcopc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We went through this just a few months ago, as a tiny coder shop. We needed an Asterisk IVR built, had never done it before and didn't have time to learn, so we contracted out to an offshore company who were supposedly experts with Asterisk, as referred to us by a business acquaintance. We actually ended up with a working product, but it took so much hand-holding and error checking that by the time they delivered the final version, I knew more about Asterisk than they did, mostly because I read the PHPAGI docs a bit more thoroughly. And it was about 6 weeks late on a 2 week timeline. Face, meet egg.

    The 10-hour timezone shift was a massive PITA. The communication hurdles led to poor quality output, because instead of asking us proper questions, they'd "play dumb" and do it wrong, seemingly on purpose hoping we wouldn't notice I guess. Every time they'd jiggle some code, we had to retest our entire flowchart and bark at them for every failure. Maybe I'm a hopeless idealist, but I like to think of contractors as a black box: work order goes in, completed work comes out. In my mind, that includes testing, especially since we had crystal clear pass/fail scenarios.

    I'm sure there are some Indian shops that are worth the money (bell curve), but this one clearly wasn't. Sure, they were cheap, but I ended up doing more work to support them than had I done it all from scratch, so it ended up costing more. On the upside, I am now modestly self-sufficient in writing PHP scripts to drive Asterisk; another random skill I never wanted in the first place.

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