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Innocent Until Predicted Guilty

theodp writes "Gizmodo has an angry piece on IBM helping Florida to predict how delinquent your child's going to be. The Florida Department of Juvenile Justice has decided to start using IBM predictive analytics software to help them determine which of the 85,000 kids who enter their system each year poses the biggest future threat. From IBM's sales pitch: 'Predictive analytics gives government organizations worldwide a highly-sophisticated and intelligent source to create safer communities by identifying, predicting, responding to and preventing criminal activities. It gives the criminal justice system the ability to draw upon the wealth of data available to detect patterns, make reliable projections and then take the appropriate action in real time to combat crime and protect citizens.'"

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  1. Self-fulfilling Prophecy? by Great+Big+Bird · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems to me that if the government thinks it can predict these things and takes certain actions in prevention, it might actually cause the problem that is predicted, and thus validate the method.

    1. Re:Self-fulfilling Prophecy? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Sheriff Joe Arpaio's popularity is anything to go by, I suspect information on predictive accuracy, even if available, will have depressingly little impact on public opinion.

      A disturbing number of people seem to operate on the belief that there are two kinds of defendants: "Guilty" and "Guilty; but goddam liberal bleeding hear trial lawyers got them off on a technicality".

    2. Re:Self-fulfilling Prophecy? by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can do that without giving IBM millions of dollars.

      Its called nurturing, education and providing the opportunity to succeed.

  2. The best part! by rotide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best part is, if the software doesn't currently consider you a "threat" we can always tweak it to push you over the threshold! Remember that come next election, or next time you purchase something we don't think you should, or even the next time you pass us and don't give us a compliment!

  3. Does it work for white collar crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do predictive analytics work for other demographics as well, e.g. middle aged white man from prominent Ivy League university running an energy company more likely to steal billions of dollars over young Latino kid living in downtown Miami?

    1. Re:Does it work for white collar crime? by SailorSpork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they had a database of hundreds or thousands of Ivy League Energy Company-running Billion-Dollar embezzlers to get statistically relevant information from, then yes. It may be slower to build that predictive database than to build the Street Kid From Miami database, not because of racial considerations, but because of number of incidents recorded.

      For the Ivy League guy, we need a more classical predictive model: "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." The algorithms will come eventually.

  4. I know just where to use it first... by Genda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe the best use of this technology is as a means for monitoring our government officials and representatives (starting with the folks thinking about using it here.) It is arguable that the harm done by the average juvenile delinquent pales in comparison to the social and economic harm done by politicians and lawless officials. We should be using predictive technology keep them in check, and ensure that liberty is being preserved for future generations...

  5. Overblown by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, all I see here is a slippery slope argument. Juvenile delinquents who have been convicted of a crime are generally sentenced to probation, attendance in educational programs, counseling, etc. The only difference here is now they're using computer models to decide which programs are most appropriate for a given youth based upon the data they put in... instead of the court making the decision based upon a less complete set of data and a less methodical prediction of what would work best for that individual.

    Now I'm not saying IBM's system works. It may or may not and that needs to be carefully studied. I have no problem, however, with computer models being used to determine which juvenile delinquents are most likely to benefit from specific programs and which are most in need of them when resources are limited. Appeals to various constitutional amendments are just empty rhetoric, given these kids have been convicted of a crime and this is part of their rehabilitation. In fact this whole article looks like an excuse for sensationalism and a reason to display cool graphics from "Minority Report". Lame Mr. Diaz.

  6. Re:What could go wrong? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sandra Bullock and Tom Cruise are doing a movie together? I'm not sure my gag reflex is strong enough for that.

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  7. Re:Are we sure that's all bad? by MarbleMunkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Suppose those factors like increased absences and a couple of minor contacts with police indicate that Johnny is extremely likely to drop out of school. Maybe that's a good hint that someone needs to talk to Johnny and see if something correctable is going on in his life.

    But that's not what's happening in our schools already; Just look at the Zero Tolerance statutes!

    Do you really think that the same people who would expel a 9th grade girl for bringing a butter knife to school can be trusted to be rational with this kind of information?

  8. Re:Just hope... by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is the deal - one of your sons may be prone to criminal activity. I am not going to tell you which one, so you are just going to have to "bite the bullet" and be a good father and raise both of them with love and respect.

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  9. Re:Just hope... by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's a thought, let IBM try it out on their own executives first. After it gets through nailing the miscreant executives in its own ranks, the U.S. Justice dept will evaluate it and see if it might be used on Wall Street firms. It must successfully weed out the Business School Product that wasted the U.S. economy first. The next test will be to try it out on the designers of this valuable product. If it catches the social misfits that have worked on this software, then maybe the U.S. could consider it for kids. However, we'll want to see a cleaned up IBM, Wall Street, and developer ranks first.

  10. Re:Just hope... by Shotgun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he spent half as much time parenting his kids as he did crafting this response, his kids would disown him.

    The problem is that the problem is incredibly organic and constantly changing and moving. You push one corner, and the problem space takes on a completely different shape. As a parent, we are blamed for situations completely out of our control. We're blamed if we don't make enough money to provide the toys that other kids have. We're blamed if we work to much. We're blamed for being invasive if we spend to much time with with our kids. We're blamed for being absent if we try to give them space. It doesn't matter. Until the boy hits 25yrs of age, I'm wrong.

    Sometimes, we have to hit /. just to keep our sanity. It reminds us of how ridiculous our children COULD be.

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