Slashdot Mirror


SIP Attacks From Amazon EC2 Going Unaddressed

mjgraves writes "Over the past week a number of IP-PBX systems have been suffering SIP attacks from hosts in the Amazon EC2 cloud. At least a dozen known attacks have been reported to Amazon, which has been surprisingly quiet about the matter. The issue has been well documented by one of the attack victims on his blog. The matter was also discussed on the April 16th issue of the VoIP Users Conference (podcast available at the link; EC2 segment begins around 3:30). Amazon appears to have gone silent on the matter even as the attacks are ongoing. This is completely irresponsible behavior from a such a hosting company, which should be acting to take down the attacker in their midst."

14 of 104 comments (clear)

  1. Re:What is an SIP attack? by LearnToSpell · · Score: 3, Funny

    RTFA.

  2. Re:What do you expect? by Z34107 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The complainant in the article actually e-mailed and called Amazon several times, and got several less-than-satisfactory responses. Evidently Amazon's solution is "mediation" - you're supposed to talk to the hackers and work something out! They have zero interest in actually shutting them down.

    --
    DATABASE WOW WOW
  3. Doesn't surprise me. by laughingcoyote · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been reporting an IM spammer for several weeks now an IM spammer hosting sites with a place called Flying Croc. I've even complained to their upstream provider, but to no avail from either. Both of these have AUPs specifically prohibiting spamming from or spam being used to advertise sites on their network, but it seems the AUPs are only really intended to let the host disconnect someone they don't like, not actually to prevent their customers from launching an attack or spamming campaign. Or at least, the webcam sites being spammed for still trace right back to the same networks as they did.

    Maybe there needs to be some mandatory service level from companies above a certain size (a response from a human within X days, etc.). Service seems to be getting worse and worse across the board. And maybe a requirement that if said company says something, it damn well better back it up when called upon to.

    --
    To fight the war on terror, stop being afraid.
    1. Re:Doesn't surprise me. by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Informative

          I can understand (to a degree) when a problem isn't directly addressed back. Sure, you detected it, and it's perfectly possible 10,000 other people reported the same thing.

          Knowing a little about the business, and not having enough information from you, it may be possible that the destinations that you referenced had absolutely nothing to do with it. If the destination is an affiliate sales company (i.e., affiliates make a percentage of the sale that they sent), you may have simply bounced through a page that passed on their affiliate code and never noticed it.

          http://hotchick.spammer/ redirects to http://some.cam.site?id=9999 which then redirects to http://some.cam.site/ . Some affiliate companies take that seriously, and will forbid any sales revenue from going to that affiliate. Then again, plenty see it as "not their problem" and enjoy the extra profits where they weren't directly involved in the illegal activities.

          I've seen it where site X gets spammed for, which has links to Site Y, which then has the affiliate code for site Z. Go ahead and complain to Z, it won't do you a lot of good. It will do even less if site Z is responsible for over a million per year in revenue for their provider. If it's some schmuck with a $20/yr account, it'd probably be gone in minutes.

          If I was at some large hosting company, it'd be perfectly possible to get tens (or hundreds) of thousands of complaints like yours daily. Is it worth tracking those to resolution and getting back directly to every complainer, or simply adding your complaint to the list? Ok, I would, but most won't.

          I've been on the receiving end of complaints in the past. Most of the time, the complaints were misdirected anyways. "I got a spam". Sure you did. When it's reviewed, it's simply an email stating that their membership was expiring and if they wanted to continue service they should renew. Of hundreds of thousands of those sent, they'd generate maybe a few dozen complaints like that. Sometimes they were a hosted site where a newbie webmaster had put some mailto.cgi up, and folks were spamming through it. The upstream provider would send an email saying "We've received a bunch of these", and following them through we'd find the problem, and imply reply "It's been corrected". Corrected for us meant the cgi was disabled (like chmod 000) with an email to the webmaster about how not to be a dumbass.

          Looking at the "upstream provider" web site, it looks like they're just reselling someone elses services. I could be mistaken, but I've never heard of them, and couldn't find much interesting online.

         

      --
      Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
  4. Re:Lazy? by emt377 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You would think it would be pretty easily for Amazon to find and shut down the attackers... why haven't they done so already?

    Perhaps because the UDP source addresses are spoofed, and the goal of the attack is to trick AWS into shutting down legitimate paying customers' businesses?

  5. Re:Morpheus attacks from EC2 also by vilain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since this involved illegal computer access from an information provider (don't think Amazon's been classified as a telecom provider. yet.), why not involve the consumer fraud devision of the Washington State Attorney General. If a bunch of AG people and sheriffs descend on Amazon's offices with search warrants for "Any and all computers, disks, hardware, etc.", I think Amazon will take notice pretty quickly.

  6. Amazon is way too lax about abuse. by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There's an awful lot of spam and other abuse coming out of EC2. I'm not surprised to hear that it's being used as a source of SIP attacks as well. Amazon is quite irresponsible about handling abuse. As long as it isn't harming their systems, they wait until someone reports abuse, and then they terminate only the EC2 instance from which the attack originated. They make zero effort to thwart future attacks or prevent more abuse.

    Amazon is gaining a reputation as a house of ill repute, and they deserve it.

    --
    Tired of FB/Google censorship? Visit UNCENSORED!
  7. Re:What is an SIP attack? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    SIP = Session Initiation Protocol, it's the protocol that sets up and tears down the session on a VOIP call. After the initial setup, VoIP uses RTP, or Real-time Transmission Protocol to transfer the call data packets, while SIP manages the connection itself (adding callers, changing addresses, adding video, etc).

    SIP is application layer protocol that sits on top of a transport protocol like TCP or UDP, which sits on top of the IP network layer. If not encrypted (it often isn't), it is vulnerable to everything TCP is, including DOS attacks, man in the middle attacks, packet sniffing, and various hardware related attacks like buffer overflows and such. Even encrypted it is still vulnerable to the hardware related attacks and DOS attacks.

    What you can do with these attacks is the same as what you'd do with TCP attacks: eavesdropping, call re-routing, disconnecting calls, SIP agent impersonation to place new calls, etc.

    --
    Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
  8. Re:What is an SIP attack? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Informative

    An IP-PBX system is a PBX system on an IP network. ;)

    A PBX is a call center through which all phone calls for a specific area are routed - like a building or a telco's service area. It stands for Private Branch Exchange.

    --
    Security is mostly a superstition... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. - Helen Keller
  9. Re:What do you expect? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They have zero interest in actually shutting them down.

    Maybe if you flood-ping the offending IP from your attacked PBX their automated IDS will blackhole your IP.

    --
    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  10. Re:Lazy? by e9th · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think so. One way to stop the attacks is to use pf/iptables to forward the offending REGISTERs to a bot that simply sends back a bogus "200 OK" response. As soon as the attacker thinks he's found an opening, the attack stops.

  11. Re:Lazy? by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is basically like an ISP arguing they are not responsible for spam sent by their downstream customers they provide internet connectivity to.

    The IP addresses belong to the ISP, so they are ultimately responsible for handling any report of abuse in terms of network traffic from those IPs.

    If the ISP does nothing, the IPs will eventually get blacklisted, and most blacklists will make the blacklist entry larger and larger until the ISP responds... e.g. start with blacklisting just that IP, then if it continues, blacklist the entire /24, then if it continues, blacklist that entire RIR registered IP block.

    As last step... blacklist the entire AS number.

    Amazon EC2 is in the same situation here. If they don't respond to serious abuse complaints like this, transit providers are going to start blackholing EC2 IPs at their border.

    Eventually, this could make EC2 useless....

  12. Re:Morpheus attacks from EC2 also by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bezos is a smart businessman, and as such most of his properties are separate corporations that are friends of Amazon, but maintain the ability to go bankrupt if they go wrong without bankrupting Amazon.com. Such a warrant might get the attention of EC2... but there's no way it'd stretch all the way to Amazon.com unless there was some proof of a shared resource being involved.

  13. Re:Lazy? by amorsen · · Score: 4, Informative

    At least one attack came from Amazon. I reported it, and Amazon has confirmed that it was their customer. The packets weren't spoofed, no attempt was made to hide their origin.

    --
    Finally! A year of moderation! Ready for 2019?