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Alcatel-Lucent Boosts Broadband Over Copper To 300Mbps
alphadogg writes "Alcatel-Lucent has come up with a way to move data at 300Mbps over copper lines. So far the results have only been reproduced in a lab environment — real products and services won't be available for at least a year. From the article: 'Researchers at the company's Bell Labs demonstrated the 300Mbps technology over a distance of 400 meters using VDSL2 (Very high bitrate Digital Subscriber Line), according to Stefaan Vanhastel, director of product marketing at Alcatel-Lucent Wireline Networks. The test showed that it can also do 100Mbps over a distance of 1,000 meters, he said. Currently, copper is the most common broadband medium. About 65 percent of subscribers have a broadband connection that's based on DSL, compared to 20 percent for cable and 12 percent for fiber, according to market research company Point Topic. Today, the average advertised DSL speeds for residential users vary between 9.2 Mbps and 1.9Mbps in various parts of the world, Point Topic said.'"
It looks like they doubled the speed at 1km.
VDSL2 deteriorates quickly from a theoretical maximum of 250 Mbit/s at 'source' to 100 Mbit/s at 0.5 km (1640 ft) and 50 Mbit/s at 1 km (3280 ft), but degrades at a much slower rate from there, and still outperforms VDSL. Starting from 1.6 km (1 mile) its performance is equal to ADSL2+.
I have tried to get a VDSL2 for a few times during the past 5 years, but the prices are high and availability really bad. Even 100 Mbit/s fiber is a lot more common. ISP's also always responded that I live too far away from the center, even while it really was only about 1-1.5km (but that would had got me "just" 50 Mbit/s anyway, now with this 100 Mbit/s)
The nice thing about VDSL2 is that unlike ADSL, it's symmetric. The 300Mbps over a distance of 400 meters is damn good too, but theres no centers in every corner.
This is great news but I would like to note that:
1) Japan was offering DSL speeds of 60 Mbps back in 2007:
http://www.yugatech.com/blog/telecoms/japans-leads-in-internet-speeds/
And according to TFA:
2) The speed drops to 100Mbps at a 1 km distance.
3) TFA also states "over two copper lines". It sounds like 4 wires are required (1 line=2 wire). If this is indeed the case, might as well bring the fiber into the house instead of a second pair of copper wires ;-))
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
May the gods bless these magnificent researchers with a bountiful harvest, many wives and obedient children.
Seriously, what pisses me off more than anything about the past 10 years of broadband was we were moving towards such a bright future with the ability to choose from dozens of DSL providers in some areas until they stopped upgrading the DSLAMS in my area and we were stuck at 8 Mb/s. I checked recently and the fastest I can get at my new apartment is 1 Mb/s for DSL.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
About 65 percent of subscribers have a broadband connection that's based on DSL, compared to 20 percent for cable
My cable is made out of copper...
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Hey guys! We just developed a way to make our motorcar go twice as fast as it did before!
What's wrong with gigabit?
Too much attenuation?
How do I go to slashdot and filter stories that reference any "broadband" story that references stories over 24 mbps? I buy 22. But the local "fastest" advertised speed is 24. Really though, maybe a filter that just cleans 100 mbps and above? Oh wait. In my imagination I have 1000 and don't live in my mom's basement. ps the latter isn't true.
Qwest is still too cheap to put in a new DSLAM to give me 1.5 Mb. Where I live in the middle of a city of about 60,000, it might as well be a giant trailer park for all the service we get here. On the other hand, Comcast has the whole place wired to as fast as possible.
The problem with all copper lines is capacitance,
which acts as a low pass filter. The longer the line the more high frequencies are lost, which in effect takes the "edges" off of the pulses, making differetiation difficult. No ammount of technolgy is going to change the laws of physics. (:
All kinds of tricks are use such as QAM and different forms of compression to cram more down a copper pair.
All POTS work on 2 wires. Even if one has several pairs coming into the premises it is unlikely that there will be enough spares all the way to the exchange.(Would you put in double the ammount of copper needed on the off chance that it might be needed later.
The extra incoming wire are mainly for spares in case of faults.
Here in .au I have ADSL2 which at my current location provides 15mb/s.
Is it a common speed in CA or am I a lone looser here?
If this really is as the article states, then it is 12x faster than AT&T's quickest version of uverse and at much greater distances. Currently, you have to be within 3,000 feet of the CO to get uverse, which is much less than dsl, which can go out to around 15,000 feet or so.
They so often say you need to be 1 km from the CO. But a loop extender or node can be used to extend it to areas far beyond 1 km distance, in fact, to extend service many, many miles away, even dozens, basically which rejuvenates the signal, and possibly connects to a fiber trunk, although electronics can probably be developed to regenerate the signal even over a very long copper run, which is made even easier with the digital signal. The investment in that is far less than laying all new cable. It requires perhaps some electronic equipment every mile or so. This would, it is often forgotten, cut down on the cost needed to extend broadband to remote areas. It is probably the cheapest way to do it as much of the infrastructure can be reused. Its much better than the insane and crazy idea of BPL which is unfeasible and has so many more technical problems (RFI).
This is the correct answer.
At what rate does VDSL2 degrade. With ADSL 2+ it degrades beyond a point of usefulness at 4-6 KM, Once you get past 2 KM the curve increases lowering speed significantly.
I live 3.3 Kilometres from my telephone Exchange and can barely get 3 Mbit/s. For the most part I get 1-1.3 Mbit/s. Can VDSL help extend the useful range of DSL?
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Sounds nice for those with short lines...
I live about ~3km from my exchange (in Australia), which unfortunately reduces my 24 Mbps (max) ADSL2+ service to 6.2 Mbit (without interleaving) or 7.7 Mbit (with interleaving). Any technology that can squeeze a bit more out of my old rusty copper wire sounds nice to me, at least until the national broadband network (fibre) gets rolled out in 3-4 more years.
Having said that I have a funny suspicion this won't help anyone stuck on a longer line (i.e. any line that wouldn't really support VDSL now). The move from ADSL1 to ADSL2 and ADSL2+ improved the 'max' speed of the service for those close to the exchange, but any xDSL technology seems to hit a certain distance where that benefit is lost.
This graph shows this nicely - ADSL2+ (in green) is way faster than ADSL1 (blue) for shorter/less attenuated lines. But beyond around 4km, it offers virtually no improvement at all. And I suspect the laws of physics are at play here such that this new VDSL variant wouldn't be any different.
I guess these aren't the guys who liscence stuff, how could they? It's not like they were handed, oh, $200 billion dollars, say.
A friend from Korea reports that the multi gigabit stuff is all the rage.
Guess what! People have copper!
300Mbps/64Kbps would be rather boring.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
but what does it do at 3500m?
(Guess why that interests me).
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Alcatel-Lucent surely isn't the first one to implement bonding, and it has also been used with ADSL2+. And they are not the first ones to come up with vectoring, that is used to reduce crosstalk. The article makes it seem like Alcatel-Lucent has done something incredible, even though there will be ITU-T standard and equipment from at least Ericsson.
Called the UK.
In some ways I am lucky, I live in the south-west, a city called Exeter, 40 miles from Plymouth and the Mayflower Steps for the yanks. In some ways this is lucky because this region is used to market test many products and technologies before they get a nationwide launch.
In 2001 BT first offered ADSL, it was 128/512 kbit, and used the green alcatel stingray / frog thing.
In 2004 Telewest took over the cable TV/telephone company, and put in the internet as a cable option, I switched.
Today I can get either max 8 mbit adsl over (twisted pair) copper, or max 50 mbit cable over (coax) copper.
Due to traffic shaping and throttling and oversold contention ratios, I can max out the 8 mbit adsl at a rock solid 6 mbit and actually achieve a greater throughput than I can from the theoretically far faster (up to) 20 mbit cable package.
The only other alternative was either ISDN or horrendously expensive leased line, which started at around 30k bucks per annum for 2 mbit.
I spent 5 years up until 2004 trying to convince the cable company to provide internet over their pipes, and quite frankly even though I was talking to senior managers they just didn't "get it".
I have to tell you that nothing has changed, they still don't "get it", "it" being the internet.
They still think in dial up terms of pence per minute, or utility terms of pence per kWh or cubic foot.
Frankly speaking the UK economy is fucked, and none of the politicians get it either, especially not the pirate party, in the run up to the general elections.
What we need is a MASSIVE public works deal, just like the yank New Deal when they built the interstates, and roll out SYMMETRIC cable AND ipv6 to every home, set a target, project to be completed within 3 years.
Since we are starting today we need to future proof, so it has to be gigabit each way.
It has to be fibre / laser, not anything on copper, or anything wireless.
It will have the same effect as the building of the interstates, it will open and enable markets that previously did not exist.
Even allowing for overspends, it would come in at less than 50 billion UK pounds, and that spread over 3 years.
All slashdotters, ask yourself this, can you see any opportunities for yourself, and your company, if you were told this was being rolled out in your area? project starting in 4 months and completed in 40?
gigabit up/down and ipv6, does this enable anything you can't do now? things that will generate revenue and stimulate the economy? things that will have a benefit for society that can't just be measured in dollars and cents?
discuss.
http://slashdot.org/~GuyFawkes/journal
For those who want to see things be "open" so that multiple providers can use the same wires, you need to have an infrastructure in place that has not been paid for ONLY by private companies, and that is where the problems come from. For DSL service here in the USA, much of the copper infrastructure for the telephone system was subsidized by the US government in the push to put telephone coverage in EVERY house. This is why for DSL, you CAN have multiple providers in a given area in the USA. For cable and fiber on the other hand, the US government has avoided getting involved in ANYTHING of a technical nature for a long time now, so we won't see fiber or cable going to every house for Internet, and it becomes more difficult for the government to force private companies to do things with lines that have been placed and maintained by private companies.
The USA is a BIG country with a lot of very rural areas, and without government involvement, it is not going to be profitable to run high speed Internet to many rural areas, just due to the maintenance costs compared to how much money they can really charge for the service in those rural areas($50/month in West Virginia is too much for many people just for Internet access for example). In smaller countries like Japan, it becomes easier to bring high speed to EVERY home, just because the country is so small in comparison. What some people don't realize is that New York State alone is larger than many countries, and the state government is BROKE, with no money to spend on projects. The FEDERAL government is also broke, but just keeps printing money and spending, so they act like someone with an Amex platinum card who go on a spending spree for one month, and then end up in debt for the rest of their lives.
Great, now the ISPs will have even higher speeds to lie to us about in their advertising.
Seriously. All this means is that we will hit our caps faster, and/or will feel the throttling more painfully.
When you are being throttled to 25Kb/s, it dosen't matter how fast your last mile can go - It becomes all about
making long-haul ISP links cheap as dirt so the ISP dosent feel a need to throttle their oversubscribed backhaul link to the 'net.
TFA claims average advertised speeds of 9.2 Mbps and 1.9Mbps around the world currently. How about giving us numbers that actually correspond to the real world instead? We all know advertised speeds are usually a load of bull.
Considering that people use the internet primarily for web browsing, which is not that demanding. The major high bandwidth activity is downloading movies. Therefore, I doubt a widescale fiber optic deployment will do much to boost the economy.
It's always been possible to transfer large amounts of data over relatively short distances. If you shorten the distance to bus length you can transfer dozens of gigabytes per second. 400 meters is almost no distance as far as telco wiring is concerned.
The problem that has existed since the internet began (and since I was an ISP tech in the late 90s) is that the central office to subscriber connection is slow, operates over short distances, and is handicapped by the desire (on the phone companies' part) to use existing infrastructure.
The public telephone network was built at taxpayer cost and "inherited" by the various post-bell system phone companies. They didn't pay for it in the first place and they're not going to pay to replace it if they can help it. They have some of the most legally protected profit margins anywhere... imagine if you were handed an infrastructure with thousands of subscribers, guaranteed no competition, and otherwise allowed to make as much money as you can in exchange for some occasional government regulation... it's every businessman's dream (provided they're not completely ethical). Having the gravy train rolling in doesn't give them any incentive to build out the network, especially to the less populated areas. They get the same money anyway provided they lie well enough to the government to keep additional regulation and competition away. The only way for them to make less money is to spend it on major improvement projects like replacing the old copper pairs to each house with fiber, especially if you do it in areas where people can't or won't pay a premium price for the service, IE the areas that don't have high speed internet now.
The same telco companies have even requested money from the federal government in tax breaks and outright subsidies over the years to "bring internet into rural communities". I have to laugh when I hear that. Many rural communities in the US still have dial-up only. The telcos go on their merry way and pocket the money.. after all, that's what they're good at.
Greatly expanded speeds over copper for a relatively short distance are pointless because it doesn't help with the access problem. All this improved technology means is that for a small subset of DSL users in densely populated metro areas where the telco is willing to upgrade equipment a speed increase to the telco will be seen. Who knows if the bandwidth exists at the central office to make it worth it? The telcos aren't going to spend money to link multiple intermediate sites together with the high speed tech to extend service out to sparsely populated areas. Sure, it would work technically, but it costs money for little return. Despite the fact that they're effectively subsidized by the taxpayers, they're under no obligation to help the taxpayers.
What's really needed to kick off broadband development is someone other than the phone companies taking on network service delivery to the home, without using the public telephone network and without handing money to the telcos. Like Google is trying to do... I guess if you get enough money on your side in this country, you find the power to do things. Too bad the government can't do things like that itself. Change, pfft. It's too late.
Now, a communications break through that lets 10 mbit bidirectional data be delivered over, say, a 10 wire mile distance (50,000 feet).. that would be a game changer. What's needed is a moderate speed tech that costs the phone companies very little to implement but works over long distances.... something cheap enough for the telcos to preserve their precious profits but still install it and provide service farther out.
Erik
How is this modded insightful? If anybody knew anything at all about VDSL and VDSL2, they would realize the technology is symmetric in nature, meaning that the connection speed per end-point is equal for up and down. So it'd be 300Mbps/300Mbps, you insensitive clod.
Unfortunately, this is pretty useless for the US.
The US has far longer telephone/DSL local loop lengths than almost any other country. Average US local loops are over 4 km, compared with 3 km in the UK and France, or under 2 km in Germany and Italy. And unlike most European countries, almost no loops in the US are under 1.5 km, and the US is one of the few countries to have significant numbers of loops (10% of customers) over 5.5 km. Data source here.
the UK (which has a much higher population density than the US)
As a proud and patriotic American I cannot let your statement go without refutation: America has by far the denser population, bucko!
The comment moderating here just keeps getting shittier. Somebody explain how the fuck is this off-topic?
It's not my post, but jesus christ this shitty moderating is getting on my wick. This place is allowing total morons to moderate these days.
As someone else mentioned, it's symetric, so provided your provider aren't wankers you could run a fairly robust web server yourself.
Although people have also pointed out that it is symmetric over 4 wires. Does that mean 2 wires in, 2 wires out? If so, that sounds like the real answer is 300Mbps/0bps. :-(
LMAO!
As it is not one of your strong suits, falcondouche. By the way, nice job running out of mod points today chasing an ac you will never catch dumbo. Figures that a lame brain non-intellect like you would be so stupid as to fall into blowing your mod points on ac posters as you did today. Then again, nobody ever said you were intelligent, did they, falcondouche? LOL!
Falcondouche, please: Spare us your attempts at trying to appear intelligent, when all you are is just another 'I read it in a review on another website and am passing off this information as my own' crap.
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs. I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you called others names no less?? Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not.
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs. I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you called others names no less?? Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not. Chump YOU make it "too easy" to make you look like a FOOL... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech". I'm glad you get your mod points back because the next time you call anyone names like you did in the url above? That quote above, and the url below it, will come to light about your non-existent telecom tech skills (Lol, no way you are or were, because you can't even get simple facts about email right).
More amusement from kindy boy, you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt.
Could you at least try and post something that actually might even begin to be a clever insult, or is this piss weak attempt at trolling the best you can do?
Thanks for the laughs though, I havent had so much fun for ages!
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
Early email was just a small advance on what we know these days as a file directory - it just put a message in another user's directory in a spot where they could see it when they logged in. Simple as that. Just like leaving a note on someone's desk.
Probably the first email system of this type was MAILBOX, used at Massachusetts Institute of Technology from 1965. Another early program to send messages on the same computer was called SNDMSG.
Some of the mainframe computers of this era might have had up to one hundred users -often they used what are called "dumb terminals" to access the mainframe from their work desks. Dumb terminals just connected to the mainframe - they had no storage or memory of their own, they did all their work on the remote mainframe computer.
Before internetworking began, therefore, email could only be used to send messages to various users of the same computer. Once computers began to talk to each other over networks, however, the problem became a little more complex - We needed to be able to put a message in an envelope and address it. To do this, we needed a means to indicate to whom letters should go that the electronic posties understood - just like the postal system, we needed a way to indicate an address.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs. I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you called others names no less?? Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not. Chump YOU make it "too easy" to make you look like a FOOL... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech". I'm glad you get your mod points back because the next time you call anyone names like you did in the url above? That quote above, and the url below it, will come to light about your non-existent telecom tech skills (Lol, no way you are or were, because you can't even get simple facts about email right).
They only said this, in response to your ignorance dumbo, lol:
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
.
.
.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs. I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you called others names no less??
Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not. Chump YOU make it "too easy" to make you look like a FOOL... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech".
FalconDOUCHE - based on the above and your "fine performance" (lol, not)?
Well - I have to say it: You are the STUPIDEST person I've ever encountered, literally, on this website in oh, 7 yrs. or so now. I base that on what is above, lmao... hilarious. At least you earn the "dubious honor" of being "STUPIDEST POSTER ON /.", lol (so look at the bright side!)
LMAO - you're right about 1 thing: I didn't HAVE to "land a blow" as you called it - YOU DID THE JOB FOR ME (lmao), read on to those reading... this is "vintage Professor 'FalconDOUCHE'" @ his finest below, lol:
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less??
LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO - you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
I'm not ranting wildly. I am only quoting your "lectures" (lol, that must be from another parallel dimension or something, because your the facts are NOT meeting your statements eye to eye, "professor FalconDOUCHE":
quote>"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
quote>"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it?
Frankly I doubt anyone but me is even bothering to read your copy pasta troll.
I am but just so I can;
"Troll the troll"
(This time to the tune of Can the Can)
Even the reception kids at my schools do netter at annoying me than you AC, all you have done so far is amuse greatly. With the reliable networks I supervise, Ihave nothing to do at work most pf the time.
Please keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into incoherence it really is priceless!
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
About "landing a blow"? Hell, I didn't even HAVE TO TAKE A SWING, lol... you KNOCKED YOURSELF RIGHT OUT with what's above, lmao!
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
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Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
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LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
About "landing a blow"? Hell, I didn't even HAVE TO TAKE A SWING, lol... you KNOCKED YOURSELF RIGHT OUT with what's above, lmao!
You're wrong on that account. I read what he wrote after he quoted you falconhell. You messed up large. I have to admit that his calling you "professor falcondouche" made me laugh hugely too. Sorry man, ordinarily I converse here with you quite often, but upon my finding out that you blew a bunch of mod points bothering others where you had no place being only makes me realize that you blew it for yourself in that regard, and certainly on your history of email, and what you overlooked about hotmail giving away its users IP addresses. Better luck next time. I'd post under my regular account here, as I have already, but you might downmod me because you've given the fact away that you do that kind of thing. Piece of advice: If you don't have anything good to say, then don't. You've already discredited yourself today with mistakes falcon, quit while you're behind. I've seen this ac troll in action and he'll get the best of you by making you angry and with your own mistakes and he never stops.
A good troll could at least come up with a different response occasionally.
You are slowly getting a bit more coherent though,
Maybe in a few more posts you will actually struture a valid sentence in English.
Its nice I can help improve your writing for you, but you need to work on originality.
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
About "landing a blow"? Hell, I didn't even HAVE TO TAKE A SWING, lol... you KNOCKED YOURSELF RIGHT OUT with what's above, lmao!
You could read it all (oh, we KNOW you can, you're just trying to "play smart" again, only to look illiterate on YOUR part, lol... some "trade off" for trolling, eh?).
Still, keep on "keepin' on" with your "hooked on phonics" lessons my boy - you may still make it to 1st grade reading levels yet!
However - whatever you do? Please - do NOT go into teaching history (LOL, see next below):
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
LOL, oldest and weakest troll trick in the book. Funny others read what is below and understood it well enough. In fact, here was their feedback on your "fine performance" today, "Professor FalconDOUCHE" (lol):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1626938&cid=32010110
READ 'EM & WEEP above... so much for your "trolling tactics" (poor, & WEAK).
Besides, with you around, and your "erroneous history of email" (next below) AND your screwup on hotmail below it (after your "grandiose claim" of being a "telecom tech" (not, no way))? Who NEEDS anymore than your "Original CLASSICS" (lmao)... here we go:
"you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)
Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":
***
Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972
***
LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):
"I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)
LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.
I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!
(Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").
Ok, time to cut the crap out (in trolling) - I really didn't want to do that to you man, but that clone jerk is messing with me, so when you began modding down my posts (which only tell the truth vs. that fool's utter b.s.)? I took it as an attack on myself (what else could I perceive it as, for Pete's sake?).
"Thanks for the concern, but its ALL covered nicely.
The thing is the registration for hotmail was in 1995 and the now "false" info was true back then.
I just like a degree of privacy, in fact I do no "dirty tricks" on the net, and so have nothing to fear.
I do have the knowledge to do things like the printer thing, as a product of the need to maintain the security of my networks.
Interesting that you would automatically think I would need to worry." - by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @03:55AM (#32011010)
Heh, online today? ALWAYS worry. Especially about what YOU say yourself, because it CAN "bite you in the butt" later (we've all been there, no need to go into it, I trust you caught my drift on that note).
"Old BOFH friends in the ISP/NOC/Telecoms business are handy in terms of technical tips in such matters too.
You could zoom in a lot closer by reading what I posted-it defines my location to miles." - by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @03:55AM (#32011010)
Heh, I really wasn't out to "hack/crack" you etc., only to tell you to watch it with some of the stuff you stated publicly was all (ala emails being used for no real purpose, & that you filled them with b.s. data). I am not out to adversely affect you, no joke. I only perceived your down moderations as a direct attack on myself (I would have respected them more actually, IF you came out & said "This is why you were down modded" rather than just doing it & disappearing (which, eventually, you did @ least "tip your hand" & post your registered username here @ least, eventually, albeit AFTER you "burnt" all your mod points on "lil' ole me", lol! I'm honored... not!
ANYHOW/ANYWAYS:
"Its a pity you choose to spam/troll this way, there must be a backstory to all this eh?" - by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @03:55AM (#32011010)
Clone53421 says it all in his libel of myself & others on this website, nuff said on that account.
"When you try you can put together a good paragraph or two!" - by Falconhell (1289630)
on Wednesday April 28, @03:55AM (#32011010)
Man, lol, off-topic and definitely "trollish" in that comment on your part now? Well, you too made your share of grammatical & spelling errors (scred ring a bell?) & mine? Mine are more just a diff. writing style than most here use is all... still, in the interests of peace?
I'll overlook it but don't mistake it for "wussing out" etc. et al, because if I had to, this would NEVER end (been there, done that, took almost a year to back one dork off, but eventually it happened)...
So even though you down-modded the hell out of many of my posts, I did so with reason (Clone's lies & libel). If someone were to do that to you, you'd be slightly perturbed by it most likely as well (libel that is), so... put yourself in MY shoes on this one, & try to understand is all.
Personally, you don't seem like all that bad of a guy, but... well, time to leave this one be is all, as I have things to do (work) coming up soon, so... nice meeting you, too bad it was on such bad notes is all.