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Japanese Spacecraft Bringing Back Space Rock

phaic tan writes "Bridie Smith from the Sydney Morning Herald reports on the Hayabusa spacecraft returning to earth in June with samples from the Itokawa Asteroid: 'A Japanese spacecraft will land in Australia in June, bringing with it samples from an asteroid found 300 million kilometres from Earth. The unmanned Hayabusa spacecraft, launched in May 2003, will become the first spacecraft to bring asteroid material to Earth when it lands in Woomera, South Australia, later this year.'"

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  1. Now that.... by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...rocks !

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    1. Re:Now that.... by couchslug · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The more we can do without sending humans to do it in person, the faster exploration will progress.

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    2. Re:Now that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The more we can do without sending humans to do it in person, the longer it will take before we colonize other planets.

      In my opinion eploration by itself has very little value unless we use the knowledge we gain. If we don't intend to put more humans in space I don't really see any big reason to put more robots in space.

    3. Re:Now that.... by blair1q · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We need to know more before sending humans because if a colony of humans dies determining the hundred reasons that colonizing that spot is impossible then it's as though you were simply gambling lives for your own amusement.

      Really, unless the exploring humans luck into somewhere they can take off their helmets and gloves and physically interact with the environment, they might as well be here watching it on TV.

    4. Re:Now that.... by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really, unless the exploring humans luck into somewhere they can take off their helmets and gloves and physically interact with the environment, they might as well be here watching it on TV.

      Gotta disagree with you there. Given the choice of walking on the moon in helmet and gloves or watching a robot crawl across the moon on T.V., I'd much rather be in the helmet and gloves actually on the moon. Even HD and 5.1 surround sound can't capture all the experience of actually being there.

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    5. Re:Now that.... by couchslug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People tend to confuse "using the knowledge we gain" with "sending humans quickly".

      That was fine in terrestrial exploration when men and ships were throwaways. There is a silly emotional need to lead with flesh when the technology we (absolutely) require (anyway) for humans to exploit their environment is not mature. Remote-manned tech, be it distant-manned on Earth or closely-manned onsite, is still remote-manned.

      We are sending humans for their own amusement, not because they are useful to the process. At the moment they are a waste of resources. We have eons to send tourists, but actual exploration no longer has anything to do with putting meat on the spot.

      Those who want adventure should pay a commercial outfit to give it to them. Knowledge and power are more useful.

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    6. Re:Now that.... by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ***History is against you. The 10 years (1962-1972) of manned space exploration has never been matched by unmanned probes.***

      With the notable exception of the return of lunar material during the Apollo program, most important research has been done with unmanned devices -- Viking, Spirit, Hubble etc. In a sane environment, what Skylab 1973-1974 would have established was that there was very little need or use for humans in space -- at least in the 20th Century and probably well into the 21st as well. Instead we ended up with the monster, money sucking black hole of the space shuttle/ISS whose very high cost, and inability to meet schedule objectives probably set space science overall back at least a decade.

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    7. Re:Now that.... by phaic+tan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Completely agree. There are many advantages to exploring in person.You can't make split second decisions with a remote probe when communication lags are in the spans of minutes. The success or faliure of a mission can be totally dependent on being able to make the right move at the right time.

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  2. Smart enough not to land it on their own soil. by Orga · · Score: 4, Funny

    Picked another big island at least.. you know, in case the blob needs to be isolated. Al though I'd think if they landed in Japan at least Godzilla could melt it if it got too large. Oh well.

    1. Re:Smart enough not to land it on their own soil. by DamageLabs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Australia IS a bigger target. Probably easier to hit.

    2. Re:Smart enough not to land it on their own soil. by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They also have extensive experience with rocks.

    3. Re:Smart enough not to land it on their own soil. by blair1q · · Score: 3, Informative
  3. What rocks even more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is that Meatloaf has significant input into some of the software that went into that space craft. Say what you want about his music (its shit) but the guy has made many important contributions to both the Linux kernel and also more academic code as this. The guy deserves more credit!

    1. Re:What rocks even more by lxs · · Score: 2, Funny

      First Brian May, now Meatloaf?
      Is astrophysics mandatory for classic rock legends? What's next? Will Robert Plant drop his Aleister Crowley obsession in favor of studying the Pioneer anomaly?

    2. Re:What rocks even more by hcpxvi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Would someone care to explain this Meatloaf/Linux Kernel slashmeme for the benefit of an old codger who is entirely missing the cultural reference? Oh, and yes, I did google it before posting this.

    3. Re:What rocks even more by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Being a high-tech field and competitive field, musicians are always in the need of the cutting edge. Quite a few musicians have either directly or indirectly contributed to kernel or application code, either through paying for development or getting right down and coding it themselves. The Meatloaf code may or may not have been actually coded by him, though that is how people like to say it.

      The other high-tech artist's field is movie production, and they contribute code as well.

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  4. Earth on crash course? by adosch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone catch the doomsday paragraph at the end FTFA:

    ''If we're on a collision course with an asteroid we need to know if they are rock-solid or if they are piles of rubble,'' he said. ''That will help us predict how best to deal with them.''

    ...how many sinister space asteroid scares have we had in the past decade claiming utter calamity on the earth? I''m not claiming conspiracy theory on this one (so stay in your caves, trolls!) but it'll be cool to see what kind of composition and materials are uncovered on that thing; because it would be good to know. It's nice to get good, "rock" solid evidence to back up a lot of theories and guessed accuracies of our solar system that are mostly data interpreted facts and not visual or tangible.

    1. Re:Earth on crash course? by MoeDrippins · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Was that quote in reference to THIS asteroid? If you'll pardon the paraphrasing, i.e., "If we're on a collision course with this asteroid...", vs. "This experiment is a valuable technology and skillset to have, so if we find some as-yet unfound asteroid in the future with which we are on a collision course, we may repeat this process to find out its composition..." ? I read it as the latter, but I'm hardly a yardstick for understanding.

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    2. Re:Earth on crash course? by durrr · · Score: 2, Funny

      The quote doesn't say anything about calamity.
      If you read between the lines you'd also realize we are on collision course with an asteroid fragment thanks to this mission, it will hit Woomera, South Australia, later this year if nothing is done to prevent it. I suggest we hit it with all our nukes after touchdown, that saves us the trouble of hitting a moving target.

  5. Space rock? by Delusion_ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh, physical rocks. I thought at first this was about Acid Mothers Temple, the other Japanese Space Rock.

  6. Dangerous by vvaduva · · Score: 2, Funny

    What if the asteroid contains a dangerous life form? Don't these people watch any sci-fi movies?

  7. A plucky little space probe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There have been *so* many technical problems with this mission, such as failure of reaction wheels, loss of the rover during deployment, damage to the solar cells by a flare, loss of attitude and communications due to a fuel leak, and so on. The mission timeline reads like "And then this broke, and we managed to fix it. And then this, and we fixed that. And ..." Yet they are getting close to pulling off the main goals of the mission (sample return). A failure of the sampling procedure probably means they've got a bit of dust rather than the larger pieces they were hoping for, but it's better than nothing! And the pictures and other data the probe has returned are very cool. The asteroid is a "rubble pile", which had been speculated for many asteroids, but not directly seen before.

    The engineers and scientists that are running the mission deserve a lot of credit for keeping this thing going despite the problems (the contractors that built it, not as much :-)).

  8. Might have Asteroid Samples on It by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I recall correctly, the Hayabusa spacecraft MIGHT have samples on it from the asteroid. Then again, it might not. The Hayabusa was originally designed to hover above the surface of the asteroid and fire a pellet into the surface, causing an ejection of material that the probe would then collect in a sample box. However, the probe has been having propulsion issues, amongst other things, and was required to land on the surface of the asteroid rather than hover above it. This, of course, was an achievement in itself. However, upon landing, the probe's pellet ejection system failed and no surface material was displaced forcibly. As I understand it, researchers are hoping that some dust or something settled into the sample collection bin. However, at this time, there is no certainty that it will contain anything.

    The most fascinating part about this mission, however, was the fact that it was using four plasma thrusters to steadily propel it to its destination. To my knowledge, this is the first time such technology has been used as the primary propulsion source for a mission. Even more fascinating is that three of the four thrusters failed and, as of now, one functioning thruster is a jury rigged hack job that they got working by using the control systems from one failed thruster and the thruster and propellant from a second. That said, Hayabusa has been an absolute testament to the tenacity and creativity in problem solving of JAXA. It has been an exciting mission, and I am very much looking forward to finding out just how lucky the unlucky probe has been in collecting dust bits from the asteroid.

    1. Re:Might have Asteroid Samples on It by mbone · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are correct. No one knows if there is anything to be returned. I myself would bet for at least a few micrograms, which would be enough to do some real science.

    2. Re:Might have Asteroid Samples on It by Sockatume · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tenacity is right. Space probe engineers are the sort of individuals who could coax a car into starting with no gasoline. Or engine.

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  9. Maybe by mbone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is no actual guarantee that there is a sample in the chamber (as the pellets misfired).

    It's a remarkable achievement to get it back; let's hope that there is something inside.

  10. Re:Am I missing something? by mbone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, you missed a lot. They recovered it and are getting back, after a real "Perils of Pauline" type adventure.