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Man Accused of Trying To Sell Kids On Craigslist

crimeandpunishment writes "You can get a lot of good deals on Craigslist, apparently including children. A New York State man has been arrested for allegedly trying to sell his children on the online marketplace. From the article: 'State Police Investigator Bryan Blum said Joshua A. Stagnitto, 24, was charged with one count of third-degree falsely reporting an incident, a misdemeanor, after a report was made to Monroe County Child Protective Services advising them of the posting on the online marketplace. The posting indicated a person was selling their children. Police said an investigation revealed Stagnitto was the source of the posting.'"

172 comments

  1. Father of the year award by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh dang, the punchline is the title... What do I put in the body?

    1. Re:Father of the year award by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      Oh dang, the punchline is the title... What do I put in the body?

      Bullets.

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  2. Further... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Mr Stagnitto claims to have a Slashdot UID in the low 5 digits.

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    1. Re:Further... by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

      and PopeRatzo is still gay and retarded.

      Translation: AC feels threatened and is attempting a dominance ploy. But seeing how little skill the AC has with dominance displays, he is obviously a juvenile of the species. Perhaps he should wait until his testicles drop before threatening the silverbacks.

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    2. Re:Further... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 1

      Mr Stagnitto claims to have a Slashdot UID in the low 5 digits.

      I think you meant to say "Mr Stagnitto seems to have an IQ in the low 2 digits."

    3. Re:Further... by Columcille · · Score: 2, Funny

      I swear I'm not him. I'm in the high 5 digits.

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    4. Re:Further... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Understandable - it may be difficult to distinguish these two conditions.

    5. Re:Further... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Mr Stagnitto claims to have a Slashdot UID in the low 5 digits.

      Why would you find a low-5d UID implausible? I got one for free when I joined.
      OK - you were probably having more fun sucking your mothers tit that day than I had signing up to SlashDot. But don't you get more fun out of SlashDot today than you do out of sucking your mother's tit?

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  3. Cash Only by boneclinkz · · Score: 0

    No Refunds

    1. Re:Cash Only by JWSmythe · · Score: 0, Redundant

      No refunds? What if they don't taste good? He was looking to sell them to cannibals, right? Who would want an extra rugrat running around? Those damned things get expensive.

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  4. Sell on Craigslist? by tacarat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Freecycle.org would have been better.

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    1. Re:Sell on Craigslist? by Huzzah! · · Score: 1

      My father threatened to do this more than once...

    2. Re:Sell on Craigslist? by piripiri · · Score: 1

      Damn you missed the opportunity to get on ./ frontpage!

    3. Re:Sell on Craigslist? by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      free or not, nobody wants your kids, Kevin Federline!

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  5. Good Job Samzenpus! by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one that notices that the summary contradicts the title? Title says he was arrested for selling his kids, summary says he made a fake posting for selling his kids and prank called the police about it. WTF samzenpus, more sloshed than usual today?

    1. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      He didn’t call the police. It just says a report was made. He posted the ad and they tracked him down. They accused him of trying to sell his kids, and he said it was a prank all along. They apparently believe him, but they’re still charging him with something... falsely reporting an incident by posting the prank ad.

      Trooper Mark O’Donnell said when troopers learned of the incident, they checked on the boys, who were fine.

      “They were in no danger of being sold at any time,” O’Donnell said. “We made sure they were safe, and they are.”

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    2. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      I take it you didn't RTFS then:

      Joshua A. Stagnitto, 24, was charged with one count of third-degree falsely reporting an incident, a misdemeanor

      Summary says he was charged for making the report, not the posting.

    3. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the title says he was accused of trying to sell his kids, not that he was arrested for selling his kids.

      Reading comprehension FTW. Perhaps you are the one that is sloshed?

    4. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Maybe they didn’t have anything else to charge someone with for posting a prank ad on Craigslist?

      He was the source of the Craigslist post. It never says who the tipster was.

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    5. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Yamata+no+Orochi · · Score: 1

      Then what the hell are you proposing he falsely reported an incident of?

    6. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Informative

      And here’s a quote to back up my claim:

      http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/04/brockport_man_posted_children.html

      Stagnitto was charged with third-degree falsely reporting an incident, a misdemeanor, because he allegedly creating public alarm by posted false information [SIC], that he wanted to sell his children, Blum said.

      The false report was that he wanted to sell the kids. It was false, it caused public alarm, and they’re charging him with falsely reporting an incident.

      And yes, “he allegedly creating public alarm by posted” is word-for-word what they reported. WTF, OMG, etc.

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    7. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Wanting to sell his kids.

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    8. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - Sir, you are charged with falsely reporting to the police that someone was selling their kids on Craigslist.
      - That was me, and I was actually trying to sell them, no joke at all.
      - Good God, you have a point! You can go.

    9. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 1

      Ya, I had to read this several times too. It reads as if Stagnitto both posted the CL listing and reported it, but in fact "falsely reporting an incident" was just what he was charged with, presumably because there wasn't a more fitting charge. TFA could have worded it better.

    10. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by hldn · · Score: 1

      i bet these people would arrest jonathan swift for making a false report too.

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    11. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just think it's bizarre that there are at least three degrees of "falsely reporting an incident"

    12. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Let me spell this out very carefully.

      Posting “I’m selling my kids” on Craigslist (and actually intending to sell your kids):
      – Really, really, really illegal.

      Posting “I’m selling my kids” on Craigslist as a prank (not actually wanting to sell your kids):
      – Guess what? It’s still illegal. That is posting false information that is likely to cause public alarm.

      Reporting to the cops that “Hey, somebody is trying to sell his kids on Craigslist, here is the URL”:
      Not illegal, if the Craigslist ad actually says that somebody is trying to sell his kids.

      Now, if you found a Craigslist ad for “kids for sale” with this picture and making it abundantly obvious that you are selling goats, then yes, reporting that to the CPS would be making a false report.

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    13. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      New York Penal Law Section 240.50
      Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree.

      New York Penal Law Section 240.55
      Falsely reporting an incident in the second degree.

      New York Penal Law Section 240.60
      Falsely reporting an incident in the first degree.

      To summarize those:

      The 3rd degree involves false reports of “crime, catastrophe or emergency under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result”.

      The 2nd degree involves “fire, explosion, or the release of a hazardous substance under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result”.

      The 1st degree is invoked for the 2nd degree false report if the person has previously been convicted of the same thing (for repeat offenders), or cases where the 3rd or 2nd degree false report resulted in serious physical injury or death to someone (e.g. to an emergency worker responding to the call).

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    14. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by nbauman · · Score: 1

      – Guess what? It’s still illegal. That is posting false information that is likely to cause public alarm.

      In what world is it illegal to post false information that is likely to cause public alarm?

      Fox News would be in jail.

    15. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      In what world is it illegal to post false information that is likely to cause public alarm?

      The state of New York. And many other states, I’m sure.

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    16. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by ooshna · · Score: 1

      Your forgetting Fox news is a corp. and corps. have more rights and freedom than people.

    17. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Actually, he’s forgetting that this only applies to people who knowingly spread false information, and you have to prove both that the information was false and that they knew it was false when they broadcast it.

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    18. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by nbauman · · Score: 1

      There are laws against falsely reporting incidents to the police or similar authorities.

      People have been prosecuted for falsely claiming bomb threats to others who were not the police or other authorities.

      But I don't think you can find a case of somebody who was prosecuted for making a joke -- not involving a bomb threat, and not reported to the authorities -- that was mistaken for a crime. That's unprecedented.

      Juries refuse to convict in such cases.

    19. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      But I don't think you can find a case of somebody who was prosecuted for making a joke -- not involving a bomb threat, and not reported to the authorities -- that was mistaken for a crime. That's unprecedented.

      Then I suggest you go into Wal-Mart and scream “HE HAS A GUN!”.

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    20. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and it isn’t at all unprecedented.

      A 17-year-old boy in western New York has been charged with a misdemeanor after he put ketchup on his arms and faked his suicide on a live video Web site, police said.

      Troopers got several calls Tuesday night about a young man broadcasting a suicide attempt over the Internet, state police said. The calls came from as far away as Israel, where the Web site is hosted, said Capt. Steven Nitrelli.

      Police traced the computer address to a home in the Buffalo suburb of Clarence. The teen admitted the hoax and insisted it was just a joke, Nitrelli said.

      The teen was charged with one third-degree count of falsely reporting an incident. He is to return to town court Oct. 29.

      Same charge: Third-degree falsely reporting an incident.

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    21. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by dissy · · Score: 1

      Worse is the fact that not a single one of those three degrees even closely matches anything this guy did :/

      I'm honestly shocked and surprised they didn't add 'resisting arrest' as a charge.

      Though at this point, there really is no different between this and charging him with terrorism or 1st degree murder of an entire swat team.

      The person that takes a joke literally is doing FAR FAR more harm to humanity than this guy.

      In fact, even if he DID try to sell his children for real, at least that's only two lives being harmed. The person pressing these baseless charges has just helped in destroying the entire concept of 'law and order', bringing the entire nation one step closer to chaos without law, and helping to further ruin the public trust of our police force.

      If Americans are screaming to have accused terrorists shot on sight for killing a few thousand people, what sort of punishment could possibly be in league for a person destroying the entire legal force of a country?

    22. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by ooshna · · Score: 1

      Umm just go look at some of the Daily shows montage clips about the health care debate and you will see things like people actually telling people what really in the bill then a few weeks later pretend that they never said that on their own show

    23. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by nbauman · · Score: 1

      But I don't think you can find a case of somebody who was prosecuted for making a joke -- not involving a bomb threat, and not reported to the authorities -- that was mistaken for a crime. That's unprecedented.

      Then I suggest you go into Wal-Mart and scream “HE HAS A GUN!”.

      That comes under the category of bomb threats.

    24. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by snowgirl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      From the originally linked article:

      Blum said the boys continue to live with Stagnitto and their mother, his fiancé, in Brockport.

      So, apparently the children's mother is a guy?

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    25. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Worse is the fact that not a single one of those three degrees even closely matches anything this guy did :/

      Sure it does: He intentionally and knowingly put false information on the internet that indicated that a crime was being committed. That is falsely reporting. It caused public alarm, the police were notified, they found out who did it, and they charged him for posting the false information.

      A kid who faked his own suicide was charged with the same exact thing (3rd degree falsely reporting). You intentionally say something that’s false and causes panic over nothing and it gets the cops involved? That is falsely reporting an incident, and it’s a misdemeanor in the state of New York. Other states have similar laws.

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    26. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      That comes under the category of bomb threats.

      I think the category you are looking for is “falsely reporting an incident”.

      Unless you have another “bomb threats” category that I am not aware of. If so, please cite for me the law to which you are referring.

      A fake bomb threat would be falsely reporting an incident in the second degree, as that is “fire, explosion, or the release of a hazardous substance”. But a gun is not a bomb.

      Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree is a false report of “crime, catastrophe or emergency”, and a gunman would fall under that category.

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    27. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Nutria · · Score: 1

      But I don't think you can find a case of somebody who was prosecuted for making a joke -- not involving a bomb threat, and not reported to the authorities -- that was mistaken for a crime. That's unprecedented.

      Remember the Boston Mooninites Fiasco?

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    28. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      I find it more entertaining to get on the public address and say "Everyone please stay calm, there is a fire in the back of the store. If everyone would please exit through the front doors in a calm fashion we would appreciate it."

          I thought about doing a mock shooting in a Walmart as an Indy film project. I'm betting depending on where you did it, no one would care. I fully believe in the SEP field and it's social implications. I was talking to someone a couple days ago. He used to ride a motorcycle. He was stopped at a light, and the lady in front of him decided it was a good idea to back up and get into a different lane. He was hit, the motorcycle was downed, and he suffered several abrasions. Despite obvious bleeding and the front of his bike being crushed, other drivers honked at him to move, and then went around him. No one stopped.

          People don't care if someone has a gun in a Walmart, as long as it isn't pointed at them. ... and people wonder why no one cares when shit happens to them. It's not their problem.

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    29. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1

      I heard it was for trying to charge postage on top of the 'all inclusive' price. Alternatively he refused to honour the 'sale or return' policy.

    30. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Remember the Boston Mooninites Fiasco?

      OK, you're right. There's also the Star Simpson fiasco. (How can a nice place like Boston have such stupid cops and politicians?)

      The guys who put up the Mooninites LEDs served 60 and 80 hours of community service. The problem is the cops overcharge people with crimes that could have long prison terms, and if you want to fight it, you'd have to go to court and take a risk of losing and serving years in prison, plus paying the huge costs of a felony defense.

      I'm disturbed by this because I know artists who used public art, which is protected First Amendment activity. It's like putting up posters on a public lamp post, which is not illegal because politicians do it themselves all the time.

      LEDs aren't unusual. The problem here is that you have people engaging in harmless activities, and if some bystander is so exciteable that they're frightened by blinking lights, they can get arrested. Worse, when the cops get involved and find out what's going on, instead of treating it as the harmless activity that it is, they abuse the legal system to improperly turn it into a crime.

    31. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by HycoWhit · · Score: 1

      This guy should just be glad he was only trying to sell his kids and not Martian invaders!

    32. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      If Americans are screaming to have accused terrorists shot on sight for killing a few thousand people, what sort of punishment could possibly be in league for a person destroying the entire legal force of a country?

      Re-election.

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    33. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by v1 · · Score: 1

      actually it appears that he [i]made[/i] the post to craigslist, and then made the [i]complaint[/i] also. I find it somewhat entertaining that he didn't get in trouble for appearing to try to sell his children, but instead for reporting to the authorities about someone (himself) trying to do it. (known prank) Apparently making a false report to the police is a bigger deal than trying to sell your kids?

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    34. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Nope. I find it somewhat entertaining that people are still posting to tell me that I’m wrong.

      TFA wasn’t clear and was somewhat misleading but the guy did not report his own ad. Other people became concerned and called CPS.

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    35. Re:Good Job Samzenpus! by travler · · Score: 1

      I understand the desire to get people to click through to the site, and so create 'jazzed up' titles.

      This seems to have really gotten out of hand lately. So much so that I am starting to automatically assume the title has nothing to do with the story.

      I fail to see how this is going to bode well for slashdot in the long term. Perhaps they have even jumped the shark as I'm sure I'm not alone.

      Are there any communities/comment systems similar to slashdot out there in the wild-internet that I maybe haven't run across yet? The community/comments are the real reason to visit slashdot, and if the editors of slashdot can't provide decent 'story-seeds' around which to have a conversation. Perhaps it is time to move on.

  6. Adoption vs. Selling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the difference between adoption and selling children?

    1. Re:Adoption vs. Selling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      CPS has a monopoly in trafficking children that people actually want. The government doesn't like competition!

    2. Re:Adoption vs. Selling by Explodicle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Adoption is supposed to be in the child's best interest, while selling is is supposed to be in the buyer and seller's best interests. I will now summarize the next response, to save time.

      "HUUURRRR DUUURG adoption is BAD becuz the GOVERNMENT fucks it up!"

    3. Re:Adoption vs. Selling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Buy the education for X kids, get one kid for free"

  7. Falsely reporting an incident? by zero_out · · Score: 1

    The charge doesn't make sense to me. I read the article, and I don't understand what the charge means. I would think that "falsely reporting an incident" would be something like calling 911 when you don't have an emergency. Or perhaps it would be reporting to police that you were mugged by someone, when you were not actually mugged at all. He made a joke post on craiglist about selling his kids, and he gets hit with a charge of "falsely reporting an incident?"

    1. Re:Falsely reporting an incident? by BattleApple · · Score: 2, Informative
      I think it falls under this:

      A person is guilty of falsely reporting an incident in the third degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to be false or baseless, he: 1. Initiates or circulates a false report or warning of an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime, catastrophe or emergency under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result

      http://law.onecle.com/new-york/penal/PEN0240.50_240.50.html

    2. Re:Falsely reporting an incident? by servanya · · Score: 1

      he called the cops and reported the CL post.

    3. Re:Falsely reporting an incident? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      No. “Someone” called the cops. We don’t know who the anonymous tipster was.

      They’re charging this guy for the Craigslist post itself, which was false. Apparently posting an ad that you want to sell your kids is illegal even if you don’t really want to sell your kids. Who’da thought?

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    4. Re:Falsely reporting an incident? by nbauman · · Score: 1

      That's apparently the section of the law they charged him with. IANAL but I don't think this case would hold up in court.

      He was telling a joke, so the question is whether it's "likely" that public alarm would result. The statute also says *public* alarm so it might have to be taken seriously by more than just one person and the cops he complained to.

      If I saw a post on Craigslist or eBay where somebody were offering to sell his wife or children, I'd assume it was a joke, and I think most normal people would come to the same conclusion. I'm pretty sure that when someone complaints to child protection services, they're legally mandated to check it out (in case you want to harass someone), so that's understandable. However, as soon as they confirmed that it was a joke, they should have dropped it. I guess Monroe County is crime-free and the police have nothing better to do.

      There are lots of cases in which people told jokes that were taken seriously, several of them involving airport security. It seems that quite a few people respond to accusatory questions by
      telling jokes. The federal laws treat it very harshly, but they went to court and the juries usually sided with the defendants, so the feds have backed off on it.

      I don't think somebody would be convicted of a crime on the basis of somebody else's misinterpretation of his joke that he didn't intend anyone to take seriously -- although it is possible.

      If that were possible, then district attorneys could convict anyone who tells an innocent joke that some asshole takes seriously.

      I remember another story in Slashdot in which a high school kid posted an email message in which he suggested as a joke that people log into their school's computer repeatedly, in order to crash it. He was making a joke about a DOS attack. The point of the story was that he described something that could never crash the computer, and any computer-savvy person would understand that. He was arrested and the cops and prosecutor didn't understand it at all, and prosecuted him. I don't remember how it came out. One of the problems in cases like that is that the point of most cases is to get the defendant to cop a plea, so an unscrupulous prosecutor will throw everything at them to encourage a settlement. Juvenile offenders don't have full rights or the resources to defend themselves, and they often get their records expunged after a certain period of time, so it isn't worth fighting.

  8. Charged with Falsely Reporting an Incident by Protoslo · · Score: 1

    N.Y.S. Penal Code
    240.50 Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree.
    A person is guilty of falsely reporting an incident in the third degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to be false or baseless, he:
    1. Initiates or circulates a false report or warning of an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime, catastrophe or emergency under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result; or
    2. Reports, by word or action, to an official or quasi-official agency or organization having the function of dealing with emergencies involving danger to life or property, an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a catastrophe or emergency which did not in fact occur or does not in fact exist; or
    3. Gratuitously reports to a law enforcement officer or agency (a) the alleged occurrence of an offense or incident which did not in fact occur; or (b) an allegedly impending occurrence of an offense or incident which in fact is not about to occur; or (c) false information relating to an actual offense or incident or to the alleged implication of some person therein; or
    4. Reports, by word or action, to the statewide central register of child abuse and maltreatment, as defined in title six of article six of the social services law, an alleged occurrence or condition of child abuse or maltreatment which did not in fact occur or exist.
    Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree is a class A misdemeanor.

    I guess they'll attempt to prove that he "[i]nitiate[d] or circulate[d] a false report or warning of an...impending occurrence of a crime...under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public...inconvenience will result." Or they would if he doesn't plea bargain. This law seems to have awfully wide applicability.

    1. Re:Charged with Falsely Reporting an Incident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      N.Y.S. Penal Code 240.50 Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree. A person is guilty of falsely reporting an incident in the third degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to be false or baseless, he:
      1. Initiates or circulates a false report or warning of an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime, catastrophe or emergency under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or inconvenience will result; or
      2. Reports, by word or action, to an official or quasi-official agency or organization having the function of dealing with emergencies involving danger to life or property, an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a catastrophe or emergency which did not in fact occur or does not in fact exist; or
      3. Gratuitously reports to a law enforcement officer or agency (a) the alleged occurrence of an offense or incident which did not in fact occur; or (b) an allegedly impending occurrence of an offense or incident which in fact is not about to occur; or (c) false information relating to an actual offense or incident or to the alleged implication of some person therein; or
      4. Reports, by word or action, to the statewide central register of child abuse and maltreatment, as defined in title six of article six of the social services law, an alleged occurrence or condition of child abuse or maltreatment which did not in fact occur or exist.
      Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree is a class A misdemeanor.

      So when are they going to arrest Algore

    2. Re:Charged with Falsely Reporting an Incident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when are they going to arrest Algore

      When are they going to arrest Bush?

  9. Familiar Somehow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back when my mother was a kid in the 1950s in Texas, some guy approached her mother (my grandmother) and asked to buy my mother. Her mother's response was not to react in disgust, call the police, etc.. Her response was something like 'Hmm. How much?'

  10. who's in the picture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is that the guy (sorry not going to use the word dude for a possible child seller) who tried to sell some kids, or is it just an illustration for some bad guy with a sissy tattoo on his cheek?

    1. Re:who's in the picture? by Yamata+no+Orochi · · Score: 1

      (sorry not going to use the word dude for a possible child seller)

      ...What the hell are you talking about?

  11. idiot police by corbettw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So now it's illegal to have a sketchy sense of humor? Isn't this sort of thing protected by the First Amendment? It's not like he actually went through with trying to enslave his kids or anything.

    Here's hoping a judge tosses this pile of nonsense quickly.

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    1. Re:idiot police by MrMista_B · · Score: 1

      No, the illegal part is this part: 'the report was made to Monroe County Child Protective Services advising them of the posting on the online marketplace.'

      That's the false report he's being charged with.

    2. Re:idiot police by clone53421 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, it never says he made the report. The illegal part wasn’t his “sketchy sense of humour”, it was posting a prank ad that would’ve been highly illegal if it was real.

      “They were in no danger of being sold at any time,” O’Donnell said. “We made sure they were safe, and they are.”

      Blum said the boys continue to live with Stagnitto and their mother, his fiancé, in Brockport.

      Although Stagnitto claimed the ad was a joke, O’Donnell said it was not funny.

      “What he did caused public alarm,” he said. “We hope he understands the seriousness of his actions.”

      It’s no different from calling in a fake bomb threat. The police have to take action because they don’t know it’s a prank until they investigate. And you WILL get in trouble for it, even though you didn’t really plant a bomb. You’ll get in less trouble than if you had really planted the bomb, but you WILL be in trouble.

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    3. Re:idiot police by jimthehorsegod · · Score: 1

      It's no different from calling in a fake bomb threat.

      Yes, it is. a fake bomb threat can directly cause harm to other people, insofar as it causes panic amongst public (also see: crying fire in a theatre) This, clearly, could (and did) cause a waste of police time which is in itself a) unwanted behaviour and b) illegal, but it's not as potentially harmful as a bomb threat.

    4. Re:idiot police by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      Actually it's quite different. The bomb threat is made against a third party. The posting to Craislist is simply following through after you threaten your kids with doing so. It's right up there with "I brought you into this world, I can take you back out." I beleive eBay has an official policy against listing your children for sale, no matter how insolent they are. Apparently it's also against the rules to list your grandmother on eBay.

    5. Re:idiot police by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is. a fake bomb threat can directly cause harm to other people, insofar as it causes panic amongst public

      And if it does cause harm to other people (e.g. trampling) it becomes SECOND-degree falsely reporting an incident, which isn’t what this guy was charged with.

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    6. Re:idiot police by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      Actually it's quite different. The bomb threat is made against a third party.

      His kids were not a third party?

      The posting to Craislist is simply following through after you threaten your kids with doing so. It's right up there with "I brought you into this world, I can take you back out."

      Ohh. THAT attitude.

      I hope you never have kids.

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  12. We Need Smitty and URL by Anubis350 · · Score: 2, Funny
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    1. Re:We Need Smitty and URL by cmburns69 · · Score: 1

      Dangit, man! Haven't you ever heard of the Oxford comma? I thought the last charge was "selling children as food and misrepresenting the weight of livestock".

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    2. Re:We Need Smitty and URL by Anubis350 · · Score: 1

      heh, hello there mister grammar nazi...

      I actually googled then copypasta'd the quote, don't blame me for the missing comma (I s'pose I could have fixed it, I really wasn't invested enough in the post to though :-p).

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  13. Buy kids? by NovaHorizon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who would want to buy a self inducing debt system? That's the worst deal on craigslist.

    1. Re:Buy kids? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who would want to buy a self inducing debt system? That's the worst deal on craigslist.

      Try getting married yet there's hundreds of mail order bride sites out there.

    2. Re:Buy kids? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Who would want to buy a self inducing debt system?

      I think the Chinese and Indians would go for it.

      Don't consider it a debt, but an investment. As long as it's male.

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  14. I think the reporter is confused (as is /. poster) by Hubec · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's really hard to tell exactly what's going on here based on this messed up article, but I think I've figured it out: Santiago makes a hoax posting on craigslist hoping for a media firestorm. Nobody notices. Santiago reports the posting to Child Protective Services intending to stoke the fire. Police figure out he's the guy that made the original posting which is obviously a joke and charge him with making a false report for wasting their time.

    Am I close?

  15. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    No... it never said he reported it. He caused alarm by posting the fake ad and they’re charging him with a misdemeanor.

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  16. Umm this is common? by BlackBloq · · Score: 1

    http://www.kptv.com/news/15717620/detail.html

    strange world we live in!

  17. no.. failpost by servanya · · Score: 1

    *sigh* no. It's not illegal and he wasn't charged with "trying to sell his kids on CL." The title contradicts the body.

    1. Re:no.. failpost by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      He was accused of it though. The accusation was made by the anonymous tipster. Police, upon investigating and finding that it was a prank, couldn’t charge him with trying to sell his kids (because he wasn’t), but they did charge him with something different: posting an ad saying “I’m selling my kids” when he was, in fact, not selling his kids.

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    2. Re:no.. failpost by quantumplacet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      *sigh* no. It's not illegal and he wasn't charged with "trying to sell his kids on CL." The title contradicts the body.

      title says 'accused' not charged with, and the summary does state what he was actually charged with. And are you honestly claiming that it would not have been illegal if he had been trying to sell his kids on craigslist?

  18. what the fuck is this bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is slashdot a clearinghouse for garbage news now?

    Fuck off.

    1. Re:what the fuck is this bullshit? by dancingmilk · · Score: 1

      Its in idle, what did you expect? If you don't like it, stop browsing idle.slashdot.org ...

      Fail.

  19. That's my father you insensitive clod! by davidwr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Sincerely,

    Red Chief.

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  20. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he didn't report himself, why would he be charged with falsely reporting an incident?

    Hubec got it. Stagnitto made a Craigslist ad, offering his children up for sale. Stagnitto then report the ad to CPS.

  21. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    Because he falsely reported that he was selling his kids.

    In any case, turning someone in isn’t illegal. Not even turning yourself in, which is what he’d have been doing if he reported his own ad. The ad was illegal; reporting it was not.

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  22. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by mooingyak · · Score: 1

    But... turning yourself in if you're not guilty would be illegal.

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  23. What is it with idle topics? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Why is if when I click on comments to Idle topics rather than just expanding the comment on this page it opens it in a new window? It's been doing this for months and I've realise it's never going to get fixed so am I the only one getting this?

    1. Re:What is it with idle topics? by clone53421 · · Score: 1
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  24. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    He was guilty. Of posting the false ad. And that is what he was charged with.

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  25. Gee Wiz by b4upoo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You could not pay me enough money to buy a child!

    1. Re: Gee Wiz by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      Now, rent one, maybe, if the terms weren't too picky about the state of the child on return... =p

  26. According to Steven Wright by Huzzah! · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I went to the movie theatre. The sign said 'Children 12 and under - $5.00'. I said, 'Give me two girls and a boy.'"

  27. Learn 2 Internet by SomeJoel · · Score: 1

    nt

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  28. It gets the point across... by boxxertrumps · · Score: 1

    If you don't clean up your room SO HELP ME I'll SELL YOU on CRAIGSLIST!!!

  29. There were plenty of times..... by thephydes · · Score: 1

    when my children were naughty when selling them looked very attractive ......

  30. EULA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately for the father, Sony (those lying cheat bastard fucks) had already laid claim to the children.

  31. Much ado about nothing by Dr.+Donuts · · Score: 1

    Not sure how folks couldn't spot this as a hoax right off the bat. A real advertisment would have offered *paying* someone to take the children. (Free Shipping, Next Day Delivery)

  32. Lemme try this again... by Hubec · · Score: 1

    Reading the responses gave me another idea (I don't think any of the replies hit on it directly). Maybe the cops are interpreting his original post as a claim of child abuse; i.e. he's claiming he himself is abusing his children (he's trying to sell them after all). The cops have to investigate this hoax and therefore he's charged with falsely reporting an incident.

    I'm not sure that this stands up though... If I come to you with hot dogs strapped to my chest and threaten to blow myself up. Then you - without my knowledge - call the cops, should I be charged?

    1. Re:Lemme try this again... by snowgirl · · Score: 1

      The laws in the state of New York pretty much disqualify this, and affirm your first interpretation. (New York Laws, Penal Code 240.50, if you care to read it yourself.)

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    2. Re:Lemme try this again... by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      That is exactly what is being charged.

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  33. Exactly. My aunt adopted for $40k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It costed my aunt to adopt a child through CPS in which she payed $40k for two half-chinese half-nativeamerican children from Mt. Angel over in Oregon.

    The primary cause for adoptions in which you pay the government is apparently there is such emotional baggage with many children that the one's without emotional baggage are marked as clean and ready to integrate. I figure this is there way of saying that the uncostly children require all kinds of investments that go above and beyond parenting, and THAT PISSES ME OFF. What kind of sick corporation would take children that need any kind of decent parents and try to offset the cost of adoption with what they say "GOES BEYOND NORMAL PARENTING" ?? It's not racist, and looking at the rate of adoption there is more baggage with black children according to CPS because they say it is such a long chain of entrenched bad parenting that it truly takes a supernatural force to allegedly inspire this race of children to go beyond what they were born into. Sure the Department of Justice might publish that 9 out of 10 racial crimes are black men against white women. You heard me right. But I am outright PISSED OFF that anyone would have the audacity and pomp to put a price tag on any race of children because that just has ZOO written all over it. Think of the gloved-hand relationship these bastard CPS employees have with these expensive children, and think of the false presumptions they are spreading in their behaving that any one color of children is more desirable over others.

    When you put a value on children, this makes them a target. I remember the movie RANSOM starring Mel Gibson will prove my point. They are all terrorists in government clothing. They are no different than a church service they compel onto children.

    My motto is a child doesn't sign a contract because they are royalty and future heirs. They go wherever they want like a Hindu cow. If a child wants to play in your yard peacefully, then feel blessed they chose your yard and not some pederast's or drug dealer's yard. A child is not a walking nugget of gold: they are light of the world and a warmth playing in the fields that give reason to wake-up and work hard for a living to see their smile and their joy because it so-inspires the oldest and most frail to dream again and feel younger than they are.

    Puting a value on children is an insurance scam, because if one is insured for such a value and dies in "custody" of a CPS employee, then who the fuck gets payed on their alleged investment????

  34. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    New York Laws: Penal Code 240.50:

    240.50 Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree.
            A person is guilty of falsely reporting an incident in the third
        degree when, knowing the information reported, conveyed or circulated to
        be false or baseless, he:
            1. Initiates or circulates a false report or warning of an alleged
        occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime, catastrophe or emergency
        under circumstances in which it is not unlikely that public alarm or
        inconvenience will result; or
            2. Reports, by word or action, to an official or quasi-official agency
        or organization having the function of dealing with emergencies
        involving danger to life or property, an alleged occurrence or impending
        occurrence of a catastrophe or emergency which did not in fact occur or
        does not in fact exist; or
            3. Gratuitously reports to a law enforcement officer or agency (a) the
        alleged occurrence of an offense or incident which did not in fact
        occur; or (b) an allegedly impending occurrence of an offense or
        incident which in fact is not about to occur; or (c) false information
        relating to an actual offense or incident or to the alleged implication
        of some person therein; or
            4. Reports, by word or action, an alleged occurrence or condition of
        child abuse or maltreatment which did not in fact occur or exist to:
            (a) the statewide central register of child abuse and maltreatment, as
        defined in title six of article six of the social services law, or
            (b) any person required to report cases of suspected child abuse or
        maltreatment pursuant to subdivision one of section four hundred
        thirteen of the social services law, knowing that the person is required
        to report such cases, and with the intent that such an alleged
        occurrence be reported to the statewide central register.
            Falsely reporting an incident in the third degree is a class A
        misdemeanor.

    He is being charged with making the actual report, not for post claiming a sale of his children.

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  35. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    In any case, turning someone in isn’t illegal. Not even turning yourself in, which is what he’d have been doing if he reported his own ad. The ad was illegal; reporting it was not.

    Actually, if you are attempting to turn yourself in claiming facts which you know to be false, it is a crime in the State of New York. In fact, it's "Falsely Reporting an Incident in the Third Degree"... exactly what the man is being charged with.

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  36. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    Attempting to turn yourself in is not likely to result in public harm or inconvenience. Posting a fake ad on Craigslist claiming that you’re selling your kids is likely to result in this, because it alarms people.

    I challenge you to find any source that explicitly says either (a) he made the report or (b) he is being charged for making the report. All of them say “a report was made” and “he is being charged for falsely reporting an incident”. In fact, the officer explicitly stated why he was charged, if you go to the original source that reported on it: (and yes, the grammar of this is hideous, but at least it’s pretty unambiguous)

    Stagnitto was charged with third-degree falsely reporting an incident, a misdemeanor, because he allegedly creating public alarm by posted false information, that he wanted to sell his children

    He was charged because he created public alarm by posting false information, namely that he wanted to sell his children.

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  37. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It created public alarm?

    If he'd said that terrorists were about to set off a dirty nuke, a tsunami was imminent, or the martians had invaded you might have a point.

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  38. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Charged with != guilty of.

    That's why we have juries.

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  39. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    I found a link with real information and accurate details in the matter:

    http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S1526702.shtml?cat=566

    "The fact that I'm being charged for anything is so ridiculous, then the fact that they charged me with falsely reporting an incident. What incident did I report?"

    "When he initiates an advertisement that causes an alarm or a public annoyance, that is according to New York State penal against the law," says State Trooper Mark O'Donnell. "Similar to someone yelling out fire in a restaurant where there is no fire."

    So, their claim is that attempting to sell your children on craigslist is equivalent to yelling "fire" in a theater, as it would be a violation of more specifically New York Penal Code 240.50(1).

    I don't expect the charges to be upheld, any good lawyer worth his salt should be able to point out that the statute does not by matter of semantics fit the actual circumstances.

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  40. guess they aren't familiar with craigslist by Nyder · · Score: 1

    It's not like the children would sell.

    sure, he'd get emails that said they were interested, but it's not like anyone's actually going to come over and pick them up.

    first they'll play email tag, then finally say they'll show up on a certain day, not show up. after a bit of email tag, they'll make a new date, not show up.

    So you go with the next peeps and they do the same thing. Pretty soon your just throwing whatever away because it's been a waste of your time.

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    1. Re:guess they aren't familiar with craigslist by HycoWhit · · Score: 1

      Hi, I'd like to buy your kids, but I only have this only really large money order. I'll send you the whole money order, you deposit the money order and wire me the extra money! :P

  41. And what if it wasn't a false report... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you saying that a parent can't sell their kids? Seems to me that may be an effective disciplinary action.
    I know that when I was 5 my brother threatened to take me back to Sears and get a new brother. I believed him.
    And seriously, being able to sell your kid may get him a better home than the adoption or foster care agencies.

    So the key to this is that if you are going to do a prank on a list like this:

    * Connect to a free email service using an anonymizer, or connecting at an internet cafe. (Better -- do both) Use an anonymizer that is not inside the country.
    * Set up a new account.
    * Using that account, set up your craigs list account
    * Posting from an anonymous source offer your kids up for sale, or offer bonsai kittens, or cooking lessons in How to Wok Your Dog.
    Post pictures. (If pics of kids use ones from outside your neighborhood.) I'd suggest making the post in a city not your own.

    I can see a big fad for this sort of thing, especially in the highschool/college set. It would be fun, it doesn't hurt anyone directly, and it gets everyone stirred up.

    Remember back in school, when you'd tease one kid just to see him go ballistic? As soon as he learned self control and ignored you it wasn't fun anymore, and you stopped. This is the same thing.

    The response is inappropriate, which is why it's news. The proper response is just to delete the post, and ignore it.

    In general publicising the threat gives the agent the attention he craves. Bomb scare? Do the check, but don't put it in the news.

    Or better ignore it. Sure, people may get killed. People die anyway.

    911 killed fewer people in the U.S. than annually slip and die in the bathtub.

    A person has a life span of 75 years. A year is about 8000 hours. About 600,000 hours per lifespan.

    With all the crap airflights now take an extra hour per flight. So how many lifespans per year are used up in the reaction to 911.

    The better reaction to 911 would be 'business as usual' while improving the behind the scenes security.

  42. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    Yes... that is what I’ve been saying all along.

    The statute absolutely does fit the situation. The incident that he falsely reported was “I’m selling my kids” when he was, in fact, not selling his kids.

    His Craigslist ad was “a false report or warning of an alleged occurrence or impending occurrence of a crime”. The crime: selling his kids. The ad indicated that this crime was impending. This was false.

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  43. a biblical view by akayani · · Score: 1

    I too would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.
    In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

  44. I think selling kids should be legal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really.

  45. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    More accurately, he did not give a "report or warning" of anything.

    While I understand your relief in finally being understood, the idiocy of the authorities in this matter is the reason for the confusion. It's difficult for me to believe that they would have made this charge without him being the one to report his own ad.

    While I'm certain that the person actually reporting the incident is indemnified from any criminal or civil actions by statute for reporting any child abuse, I'd like to see them at least try since such indemnification typically requires "good faith".

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  46. I'll be waiting for my arrest ... SANTA FOR SALE. by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Santa Claus for sale, slightly used, mint condition, likes children and small pets. Still under extended warranty. Behaves grumpy with times.

    Beard has to be maintained, has to be washed throughout. Get a red coat with a bit of grime at the bottom for free.

    The bottomless bag is broken but should be fairly easy to repair with the right nelfs. Buy now!

    (I've posted this ad on e-bay years ago; guess the police is a bit slow today...)

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  47. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    More accurately, he did not give a "report or warning" of anything.

    Yes he did. His ad qualified as a report or warning.

    It's difficult for me to believe that they would have made this charge without him being the one to report his own ad.

    Start believing it.

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  48. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    More accurately, he did not give a "report or warning" of anything.

    Yes he did. His ad qualified as a report or warning.

    No. He did not.

    If I punch at someone, and he falls down, I do not make a "report or warning" that I did such an act. If this were actually staged, and the "punched" individual breaks a blood pack to appear as if he had had his nose broken/bloodied, would it qualify as a "false reporting"? No, it would not.

    He neither reported, nor warned any one that he were selling his children... he performed his acts without warning or report.

    If someone had actually in reality been attempting to sell their children on craigslist, would we claim that they reported, or provided warning of their criminal action? No. We would not.

    If this stands, the chilling effect to our first amendment rights to free speech would be grossly unreasonable.

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  49. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    If someone had actually in reality been attempting to sell their children on craigslist, would we claim that they reported, or provided warning of their criminal action? No. We would not.

    If people saw the ad and ignored it, then yes, they had plenty of warning.

    Did it look factual? Then it was a report. Did it imply that a crime would be committed? Then it was a warning.

    If this stands, the chilling effect to our first amendment rights to free speech would be grossly unreasonable.

    Methinks you’re grossly exaggerating the significance of this. You can’t go around saying that you are going to commit a crime; it worries people.

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  50. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    If people saw the ad and ignored it, then yes, they had plenty of warning.

    Did it look factual? Then it was a report. Did it imply that a crime would be committed? Then it was a warning.

    It was not made as a warning, therefore not a warning. Crimes nearly universally require mens rea, or an intent to break the law. If he didn't intend this as a warning, this necessary condition fails.

    It was not made to look factual, it stated explicitly that it was a joke: (paraphrased) "oh shut up liberals, this is a joke".

    Methinks you’re grossly exaggerating the significance of this. You can’t go around saying that you are going to commit a crime; it worries people.

    This individual was not saying that he was going to commit a crime. He was jokingly pretending to be committing a crime.

    The police are just charging him, because they didn't like his joke... but guess what? That's not a good enough reason to charge someone.

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  51. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    It was not made to look factual, it stated explicitly that it was a joke: (paraphrased) "oh shut up liberals, this is a joke".

    There you have hit upon the one claim he has going in his favour. However, it is quite probable that people would miss that little bit at the very bottom of his ad... and enough people obviously took him seriously enough that the police got involved, and also took him seriously until they determined that it was a prank.

    This individual was not saying that he was going to commit a crime. He was jokingly pretending to be committing a crime.

    When the police get involved and take the matter seriously, it is enough reason to charge someone.

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  52. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    When the police get involved and take the matter seriously, it is enough reason to charge someone.

    No. It is not. If you believe it is, then you're part of the reason why we're losing rights in the nation.

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  53. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    Some people get alarmed when a guy on the internet says he’s selling his kids. Is that really surprising?

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  54. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by clone53421 · · Score: 1

    If the police got involved because a threat of a crime was made that seemed legitimate enough to necessitate their involvement to investigate whether the threat was true, I should’ve said.

    I’ve been a little hesitant to come down on this. What the guy was pretty clearly against the law, at least as it is stated and interpreted. Whether or not I agree with the law is something that I was trying to avoid; I basically tried to stick to simply explaining what he’s charged with, how the law is interpreted, and how the law fits the situation under the interpretation they make of the law.

    But basically, I support the law. You can’t just have people threatening to commit crimes and thinking it’s all a big joke. It’s not funny, it frightens people, it wastes the police’s time, and it could divert their resources when they were critically needed elsewhere.

    Is the enforcement of the law a little bit harsh in this case? Probably. But I could also see situations where it’s definitely warranted, and deciding what to do in marginal cases like this is better done in the courtroom, not in the legislature. My personal opinion? The guy was wrong to do what he did. Not felony wrong, but misdemeanor wrong. Give him a little fine, slap him on the wrist, and let him go, hopefully to be a little more prudent in the future.

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    Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
  55. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by snowgirl · · Score: 1

    I simply have to disagree. While I understand that your interpretation of the law holds that this still fits the legal definition, my interpretation is one that the law simply fails to apply. Although you are most definitely correct, the best place to determine this is in court.

    But it would be better for the DA to have enough common sense to look at the charge, look at the facts, and realize that he will be wasting government resources by charging this person for wasting government resources.

    Seriously, this person is going to get a slap on the wrist, and any fine will likely be suspended so long as he does not violate another law in X amount of time.

    --
    WARNING! This girl exceeds the MAXIMUM SAFE standards established by the FDA for BRATTINESS
  56. Clone likes to lie and libel others online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see your signature Clone, however, isn't Jeremy Reimer the guy who had parts of his website removed for libelling APK by his hosting provider and Reimer was caught email harassing APK by his ISP, Shaw of Canada, when Shaw put Reimer on a tracking ticket for it (which Reimer promptly ceased his email harassment of APK once he was aware of that happening), and arstechnica strangely no longer puts up articles by the blatantly unqualified Jeremy Reimer? Jeremy Reimer and his friends Jay Little also had their websites removed entirely from CrystalTech.com and from petitiononline.com also, because of their making death threats to APK just because APK showed that Exchange Server stalls due to memory fragmentation are stopped when a memory optimization program is used (microsoft's own called clearmem.exe) after Jay Little, whom Jeremy Reimer brought in because Reimer doesn't even have a degree or years to decades of professional hands-on experience in the trenches doing computer work, failed in stating verbatim "I am an Exchange Expert" and when Jay Little saw what APK put up, he tried to harass APK by nitpicking his posts at NTCompatible.com also, where Little stalked APK there and failed on issues regarding ramdisks/ssd and also Windows own error codes/crash codes which got Jay Little kicked from NTCompatible.com as it did on Channel 9 at Microsoft also? Seems that was what happened at Windows IT Pro here http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/41095/the-memory-optimization-hoax.html which anyone can read. So much for your libelling others Clone. You can't even get that right.

    1. Re:Clone likes to lie and libel others online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You’ve just proved that you are APK. Thanks for taking the bait.

    2. Re:Clone likes to lie and libel others online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ran out of mod points so;

      Take your paranoid ranting somewhere else where 10 year olds gather perhaps? You would fit right in.

      Please leave Slashdot for those who can behave like adults.

      Spamming just makes you look like a fuckwad with an axe to grind.

      Calling someone a libellous weasel and then posting as AC makes you look pathetic.

      Leads me to think you are a malware author.

      Happy now asshole?

  57. Why are you lying and libelling others in your sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see your signature Clone, however, isn't Jeremy Reimer the guy who had parts of his website removed for libelling APK by his hosting provider and Reimer was caught email harassing APK by his ISP, Shaw of Canada, when Shaw put Reimer on a tracking ticket for it (which Reimer promptly ceased his email harassment of APK once he was aware of that happening), and arstechnica strangely no longer puts up articles by the blatantly unqualified Jeremy Reimer? Jeremy Reimer and his friends Jay Little also had their websites removed entirely from CrystalTech.com and from petitiononline.com also, because of their making death threats to APK just because APK showed that Exchange Server stalls due to memory fragmentation are stopped when a memory optimization program is used (microsoft's own called clearmem.exe) after Jay Little, whom Jeremy Reimer brought in because Reimer doesn't even have a degree or years to decades of professional hands-on experience in the trenches doing computer work, failed in stating verbatim "I am an Exchange Expert" and when Jay Little saw what APK put up, he tried to harass APK by nitpicking his posts at NTCompatible.com also, where Little stalked APK there and failed on issues regarding ramdisks/ssd and also Windows own error codes/crash codes which got Jay Little kicked from NTCompatible.com as it did on Channel 9 at Microsoft also? Seems that was what happened at Windows IT Pro here http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/41095/the-memory-optimization-hoax.html which anyone can read. So much for your libelling others Clone. You can't even get that right.

  58. The police should be involved in your libel Clone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see your signature Clone, however, isn't Jeremy Reimer the guy who had parts of his website removed for libelling APK by his hosting provider and Reimer was caught email harassing APK by his ISP, Shaw of Canada, when Shaw put Reimer on a tracking ticket for it (which Reimer promptly ceased his email harassment of APK once he was aware of that happening), and arstechnica strangely no longer puts up articles by the blatantly unqualified Jeremy Reimer? Jeremy Reimer and his friends Jay Little also had their websites removed entirely from CrystalTech.com and from petitiononline.com also, because of their making death threats to APK just because APK showed that Exchange Server stalls due to memory fragmentation are stopped when a memory optimization program is used (microsoft's own called clearmem.exe) after Jay Little, whom Jeremy Reimer brought in because Reimer doesn't even have a degree or years to decades of professional hands-on experience in the trenches doing computer work, failed in stating verbatim "I am an Exchange Expert" and when Jay Little saw what APK put up, he tried to harass APK by nitpicking his posts at NTCompatible.com also, where Little stalked APK there and failed on issues regarding ramdisks/ssd and also Windows own error codes/crash codes which got Jay Little kicked from NTCompatible.com as it did on Channel 9 at Microsoft also? Seems that was what happened at Windows IT Pro here http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/41095/the-memory-optimization-hoax.html which anyone can read. So much for your libelling others Clone. You can't even get that right and you certainly like lies and libel, which are against the law in the USA and in other nations also.

  59. Clone the libellous scumbag breaks the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But basically, I support the law http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1629374&cid=31995628" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Tuesday April 27, @02:40AM (#31995628)

    Ahem: Bullshit - Clone, I noted that you also called APK, the person you refer to in your signature here, a "spyware maker" http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31736454 , but he noted that Nir Sofer and Dr. Mark Russinovich have also had many of their wares classified falsely as spywares too, and that he took CA's 21 point test and his app did not violate a single point of their test and they downrated his app to "zero threat levels" because of this. APK also put up the very first guide to securing Windows back in 1998 which was highly rated at Neowin in 2001 and grew into the most viewed and most effective guide for securing Windows NT Operating Systems out there currently at 350,000 views strong and being made a sticky pinned thread, an essential guide, or being the most viewed and being usually rated 5 of 5 stars by readers of his security guide for Windows such as here http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=f94b12f3d43b3b9446bed90155910842&showtopic=2662 . At 350,000 views strong and with great feedback too, your calling him that shows you do anything but support the law, and regularly break it with libel on your part towards others clone. You are a scumbag libelling little weasel clone, and now everyone will know how much so, after reading this reply.

    1. Re:Clone the libellous scumbag breaks the law by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Ran out of mod points so;

      Take your paranoid ranting somewhere else where 10 year olds gather perhaps? You would fit right in.

      Please leave Slashdot for those who can behave like adults.

      Spamming just makes you look like a fuckwad with an axe to grind.

      Calling someone a libellous weasel and then posting as AC makes you look pathetic.

      Leads me to think you are a malware author.

      Happy now asshole?
      2

  60. Clone likes to libel others online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But basically, I support the law http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1629374&cid=31995628" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Tuesday April 27, @02:40AM (#31995628)

    Ahem: Bullshit - Clone, I noted that you also called APK, the person you refer to in your signature here, a "spyware maker" http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31736454 , but he noted that Nir Sofer and Dr. Mark Russinovich have also had many of their wares classified falsely as spywares too, and that he took CA's 21 point test and his app did not violate a single point of their test and they downrated his app to "zero threat levels" because of this. APK also put up the very first guide to securing Windows back in 1998 which was highly rated at Neowin in 2001 and grew into the most viewed and most effective guide for securing Windows NT Operating Systems out there currently at 350,000 views strong and being made a sticky pinned thread, an essential guide, or being the most viewed and being usually rated 5 of 5 stars by readers of his security guide for Windows such as here http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=f94b12f3d43b3b9446bed90155910842&showtopic=2662 . At 350,000 views strong and with great feedback too, your calling him that shows you do anything but support the law, and regularly break it with libel on your part towards others clone. You are a scumbag libelling little weasel clone, and now everyone will know how much so, after reading this reply.

  61. Re:I think the reporter is confused (as is /. post by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It is to anyone who knows what "alarm" means. I even supplied two examples of genuinely alarming things.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  62. Clone's a libellous scumbag that breaks the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But basically, I support the law http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1629374&cid=31995628" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Tuesday April 27, @02:40AM (#31995628)

    I see your comment quoted above there Clone, as well as you signature Clone in your attempt to libel others here on slashdot. So, isn't Jeremy Reimer the guy who had parts of his website removed for libelling APK by his hosting provider and Reimer was caught email harassing APK by his ISP, Shaw of Canada, when Shaw put Reimer on a tracking ticket for it (which Reimer promptly ceased his email harassment of APK once he was aware of that happening), and arstechnica strangely no longer puts up articles by the blatantly unqualified Jeremy Reimer? Jeremy Reimer and his friends Jay Little also had their websites removed entirely from CrystalTech.com and from petitiononline.com also, because of their making death threats to APK just because APK showed that Exchange Server stalls due to memory fragmentation are stopped when a memory optimization program is used (microsoft's own called clearmem.exe) after Jay Little, whom Jeremy Reimer brought in because Reimer doesn't even have a degree or years to decades of professional hands-on experience in the trenches doing computer work, failed in stating verbatim "I am an Exchange Expert" and when Jay Little saw what APK put up, he tried to harass APK by nitpicking his posts at NTCompatible.com also, where Little stalked APK there and failed on issues regarding ramdisks/ssd and also Windows own error codes/crash codes which got Jay Little kicked from NTCompatible.com as it did on Channel 9 at Microsoft also? Seems that was what happened at Windows IT Pro here http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/41095/the-memory-optimization-hoax.html which anyone can read. So much for your libelling others Clone. You can't even get that right and you certainly like lies and libel, which are against the law in the USA and in other nations also.

    Clone, I also note that you also called APK, the person you refer to in your signature here, a "spyware maker" http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31736454 , but he noted that Nir Sofer and Dr. Mark Russinovich have also had many of their wares classified falsely as spywares too, and that he took CA's 21 point test and his app did not violate a single point of their test and they downrated his app to "zero threat levels" because of this. APK also put up the very first guide to securing Windows back in 1998 which was highly rated at Neowin in 2001 and grew into the most viewed and most effective guide for securing Windows NT Operating Systems out there currently at 350,000 views strong and being made a sticky pinned thread, an essential guide, or being the most viewed and being usually rated 5 of 5 stars by readers of his security guide for Windows such as here http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=f94b12f3d43b3b9446bed90155910842&showtopic=2662 . At 350,000 views strong and with great feedback too, your calling him that shows you do anything but support the law, and regularly break it with libel on your part towards others clone. You are a scumbag libelling little weasel clone, and now everyone will know how much so, after reading this reply. Just because you're a loser that doesn't have a job and because you've never done a thing in your life that's of service to others, doesn't give you the right to libel others who have, clone.

  63. Clone proves to be a libellous weasel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But basically, I support the law http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1629374&cid=31995628" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Tuesday April 27, @02:40AM (#31995628)

    I see your comment quoted above there Clone, as well as you signature Clone in your attempt to libel others here on slashdot. So, isn't Jeremy Reimer the guy who had parts of his website removed for libelling APK by his hosting provider and Reimer was caught email harassing APK by his ISP, Shaw of Canada, when Shaw put Reimer on a tracking ticket for it (which Reimer promptly ceased his email harassment of APK once he was aware of that happening), and arstechnica strangely no longer puts up articles by the blatantly unqualified Jeremy Reimer? Jeremy Reimer and his friends Jay Little also had their websites removed entirely from CrystalTech.com and from petitiononline.com also, because of their making death threats to APK just because APK showed that Exchange Server stalls due to memory fragmentation are stopped when a memory optimization program is used (microsoft's own called clearmem.exe) after Jay Little, whom Jeremy Reimer brought in because Reimer doesn't even have a degree or years to decades of professional hands-on experience in the trenches doing computer work, failed in stating verbatim "I am an Exchange Expert" and when Jay Little saw what APK put up, he tried to harass APK by nitpicking his posts at NTCompatible.com also, where Little stalked APK there and failed on issues regarding ramdisks/ssd and also Windows own error codes/crash codes which got Jay Little kicked from NTCompatible.com as it did on Channel 9 at Microsoft also? Seems that was what happened at Windows IT Pro here http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/41095/the-memory-optimization-hoax.html which anyone can read. So much for your libelling others Clone. You can't even get that right and you certainly like lies and libel, which are against the law in the USA and in other nations also.

    Clone, I also note that you also called APK, the person you refer to in your signature here, a "spyware maker" http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31736454 , but he noted that Nir Sofer and Dr. Mark Russinovich have also had many of their wares classified falsely as spywares too, and that he took CA's 21 point test and his app did not violate a single point of their test and they downrated his app to "zero threat levels" because of this. APK also put up the very first guide to securing Windows back in 1998 which was highly rated at Neowin in 2001 and grew into the most viewed and most effective guide for securing Windows NT Operating Systems out there currently at 350,000 views strong and being made a sticky pinned thread, an essential guide, or being the most viewed and being usually rated 5 of 5 stars by readers of his security guide for Windows such as here http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=f94b12f3d43b3b9446bed90155910842&showtopic=2662 . At 350,000 views strong and with great feedback too, your calling him that shows you do anything but support the law, and regularly break it with libel on your part towards others clone. You are a scumbag libelling little weasel clone, and now everyone will know how much so, after reading this reply. Just because you're a loser that doesn't have a job and because you've never done a thing in your life that's of service to others, doesn't give you the right to libel others who have, clone.

  64. You only prove you're Clone53241 a libeller by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But basically, I support the law http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1629374&cid=31995628" - by clone53421 (1310749) on Tuesday April 27, @02:40AM (#31995628)

    I see your comment quoted above there Clone, as well as you signature Clone in your attempt to libel others here on slashdot. So, isn't Jeremy Reimer the guy who had parts of his website removed for libelling APK by his hosting provider and Reimer was caught email harassing APK by his ISP, Shaw of Canada, when Shaw put Reimer on a tracking ticket for it (which Reimer promptly ceased his email harassment of APK once he was aware of that happening), and arstechnica strangely no longer puts up articles by the blatantly unqualified Jeremy Reimer? Jeremy Reimer and his friends Jay Little also had their websites removed entirely from CrystalTech.com and from petitiononline.com also, because of their making death threats to APK just because APK showed that Exchange Server stalls due to memory fragmentation are stopped when a memory optimization program is used (microsoft's own called clearmem.exe) after Jay Little, whom Jeremy Reimer brought in because Reimer doesn't even have a degree or years to decades of professional hands-on experience in the trenches doing computer work, failed in stating verbatim "I am an Exchange Expert" and when Jay Little saw what APK put up, he tried to harass APK by nitpicking his posts at NTCompatible.com also, where Little stalked APK there and failed on issues regarding ramdisks/ssd and also Windows own error codes/crash codes which got Jay Little kicked from NTCompatible.com as it did on Channel 9 at Microsoft also? Seems that was what happened at Windows IT Pro here http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/41095/the-memory-optimization-hoax.html which anyone can read. So much for your libelling others Clone. You can't even get that right and you certainly like lies and libel, which are against the law in the USA and in other nations also.

    Clone, I also note that you also called APK, the person you refer to in your signature here, a "spyware maker" http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1591778&cid=31736454 , but he noted that Nir Sofer and Dr. Mark Russinovich have also had many of their wares classified falsely as spywares too, and that he took CA's 21 point test and his app did not violate a single point of their test and they downrated his app to "zero threat levels" because of this. APK also put up the very first guide to securing Windows back in 1998 which was highly rated at Neowin in 2001 and grew into the most viewed and most effective guide for securing Windows NT Operating Systems out there currently at 350,000 views strong and being made a sticky pinned thread, an essential guide, or being the most viewed and being usually rated 5 of 5 stars by readers of his security guide for Windows such as here http://www.tcmagazine.com/forums/index.php?s=f94b12f3d43b3b9446bed90155910842&showtopic=2662 . At 350,000 views strong and with great feedback too, your calling him that shows you do anything but support the law, and regularly break it with libel on your part towards others clone.

    You are a scumbag libelling little weasel clone, and now everyone will know how much so, after reading this reply. Just because you're a loser that doesn't have a job and because you've never done a thing in your life that's of service to others, doesn't give you the right to libel others who have, clone.

  65. Here's WHY Clone the scumbag is libelling others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above, and here's why Clone tried to libel others here on this website via his signature and was proven wrong here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1632188&cid=31999288

    (Funny how that shut clone53421 up & he isn't responding anymore on it.)

    Clone53421 is nothing more than a little out of work bum who can't get a job because he wastes his life on slashdot here libelling others (which is why he won't get a job, because his kind do this rampantly, and this is why suits against them are not worth it - nothing to be had in suing a "ne'er do well" like Clone53421 is why).

    Why is Clone libelling apk? Ok:

    ----

    Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:

    http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/

    Release Date 2010-04-02
    Last Update 2010-04-06

    ----

    Clone lost his behind in a debate with apk on FireFox http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/23/0415208/Germany-Warns-Against-Using-Firefox (when Germany warned vs. its usage, as they had for IE previous to that) here, regarding FireFox 3.6, which then forced a reissue of FireFox 3.6.2 (not 2.6.2 as Clone erroneously noted it there as also), but during the timeframe of that debate (03/23/2010 - 04/05/2010)?

    LOL: FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG in their DOM during that debate's timeframe (see between dashed lines above), which forced an issuance of FireFox 3.6.3 on 04/06/2010!

    Also, when that news of a NEW FIREFOX BUG came out?

    Well - Slashdot's moderators "strangely closed that thread on Germany early" (NOT) in less than 2 weeks...

    This libel of apk only showed Clone's poor defense of FireFox (inclusive of citing very old 3-5 versions out of date data on Opera bugs no less, version 9.52 & 10.52 just released today no less in final form) as erroneous, and that Clone is a sore loser.

    Clone, face it: Opera's FASTER than FireFox in HTML parse & process work, plus javascript work too, and Opera shows less bugs over time than FireFox does, consistently no less... whether or not you can handle that or not, doesn't matter - you LOSE, as per usual.

    Still - They're ALL pretty good browsers though, but this "little tidbit" from a "hacker-cracker/security researcher" MAY "shed a bit of light on the subject" of which browser to use (Because Opera's the overall FASTEST currently & especially on the MOST USED OS PLATFORM THERE IS ON PCs/Servers in Windows, & consistently over time, @ HTML parse work, & again has re-seized its crown in Javascript processing speeds as well, vs. FireFox currently (which typically, Opera led FF there as well over time MOST of the time too)):

    ----

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

    "The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

    ----

    Nuff said, on the subject of which browser even the "hacker/cracker/security researcher types" use, & why (security-by-obscurity, @ THE VERY LEAST).

    All the libelling of others online will not help you, once people see how you react in your "geek angst" when you lose poorly due to bogus libelling of others on this website, which makes you appear in your true nature of being a libellous online scumbag weasel.

  66. Why's Clone libelling others here? Geek Angst! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above, and see how Clone tried to libel others here on this website via his signature and was proven wrong here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1632188&cid=31999288 .

    Funny how that shut clone53421, eh?

    Clone53421 is nothing more than a little out of work bum who can't get a job because he wastes his life on slashdot here libelling others (which is why he won't get a job, because his kind do this rampantly, and this is why suits against them are not worth it - nothing to be had in suing a "ne'er do well" like Clone53421 is why).

    Why is Clone libelling apk? Ok:

    ----

    Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:

    http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/

    Release Date 2010-04-02
    Last Update 2010-04-06

    ----

    Clone lost his behind in a debate with apk on FireFox http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/23/0415208/Germany-Warns-Against-Using-Firefox (when Germany warned vs. its usage, as they had for IE previous to that) here, regarding FireFox 3.6, which then forced a reissue of FireFox 3.6.2 (not 2.6.2 as Clone erroneously noted it there as also), but during the timeframe of that debate (03/23/2010 - 04/05/2010)?

    LOL: FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG in their DOM during that debate's timeframe (see between dashed lines above), which forced an issuance of FireFox 3.6.3 on 04/06/2010!

    Also, when that news of a NEW FIREFOX BUG came out?

    Well - Slashdot's moderators "strangely closed that thread on Germany early" (NOT) in less than 2 weeks...

    This libel of apk only showed Clone's poor defense of FireFox (inclusive of citing very old 3-5 versions out of date data on Opera bugs no less, version 9.52 & 10.52 just released today no less in final form) as erroneous, and that Clone is a sore loser.

    Clone, face it: Opera's FASTER than FireFox in HTML parse & process work, plus javascript work too, and Opera shows less bugs over time than FireFox does, consistently no less... whether or not you can handle that or not, doesn't matter - you LOSE, as per usual.

    Still - They're ALL pretty good browsers though, but this "little tidbit" from a "hacker-cracker/security researcher" MAY "shed a bit of light on the subject" of which browser to use (Because Opera's the overall FASTEST currently & especially on the MOST USED OS PLATFORM THERE IS ON PCs/Servers in Windows, & consistently over time, @ HTML parse work, & again has re-seized its crown in Javascript processing speeds as well, vs. FireFox currently (which typically, Opera led FF there as well over time MOST of the time too)):

    ----

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

    "The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

    ----

    Nuff said, on the subject of which browser even the "hacker/cracker/security researcher types" use, & why (security-by-obscurity, @ THE VERY LEAST).

    All the libelling of others online will not help you, once people see how you react in your "geek angst" when you lose poorly due to bogus libelling of others on this website, which makes you appear in your true nature of being a libellous online scumbag weasel that you are, clone53421.

    1. Re:Why's Clone libelling others here? Geek Angst! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think spamming Slashdot with your crap is going to aid your case you are sadly misguided.

      It is a pity I had to waste mod points on your paranoid drivel. They could have been used to mod up someone who had something useful to say.

      People with thementality of a 10 year old should not be posting on this site without parental supervision.

      Rest assured any further examples of space wasting will be modded accordingly.

  67. Why's Clone libelling others here? Geek Angst! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above, and see how Clone tried to libel others here on this website via his signature and was proven wrong here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1632188&cid=31999288 .

    Funny how that shut clone53421, eh?

    Clone53421 is nothing more than a little out of work bum who can't get a job because he wastes his life on slashdot here libelling others (which is why he won't get a job, because his kind do this rampantly, and this is why suits against them are not worth it - nothing to be had in suing a "ne'er do well" like Clone53421 is why).

    Why is Clone libelling apk? Ok:

    ----

    Mozilla Firefox DOM Node Moving Use-After-Free Vulnerability:

    http://secunia.com/advisories/39175/

    Release Date 2010-04-02
    Last Update 2010-04-06

    ----

    Clone lost his behind in a debate with apk on FireFox http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/23/0415208/Germany-Warns-Against-Using-Firefox (when Germany warned vs. its usage, as they had for IE previous to that) here, regarding FireFox 3.6, which then forced a reissue of FireFox 3.6.2 (not 2.6.2 as Clone erroneously noted it there as also), but during the timeframe of that debate (03/23/2010 - 04/05/2010)?

    LOL: FireFox turned up YET ANOTHER SECURITY BUG in their DOM during that debate's timeframe (see between dashed lines above), which forced an issuance of FireFox 3.6.3 on 04/06/2010!

    Also, when that news of a NEW FIREFOX BUG came out?

    Well - Slashdot's moderators "strangely closed that thread on Germany early" (NOT) in less than 2 weeks...

    This libel of apk only showed Clone's poor defense of FireFox (inclusive of citing very old 3-5 versions out of date data on Opera bugs no less, version 9.52 & 10.52 just released today no less in final form) as erroneous, and that Clone is a sore loser.

    Clone, face it: Opera's FASTER than FireFox in HTML parse & process work, plus javascript work too, and Opera shows less bugs over time than FireFox does, consistently no less... whether or not you can handle that or not, doesn't matter - you LOSE, as per usual.

    Still - They're ALL pretty good browsers though, but this "little tidbit" from a "hacker-cracker/security researcher" MAY "shed a bit of light on the subject" of which browser to use (Because Opera's the overall FASTEST currently & especially on the MOST USED OS PLATFORM THERE IS ON PCs/Servers in Windows, & consistently over time, @ HTML parse work, & again has re-seized its crown in Javascript processing speeds as well, vs. FireFox currently (which typically, Opera led FF there as well over time MOST of the time too)):

    ----

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/25/pwn2own_2010_day_one/

    "The problem Microsoft has is they have a big market share, said Vreugdenhil, the hacker who attacked IE. "I use Opera, but that's basically because it has a tiny market share and as far as I know, nobody is really interested in creating a drive-by download for opera. The web at the moment is pretty scary, actually."

    ----

    Nuff said, on the subject of which browser even the "hacker/cracker/security researcher types" use, & why (security-by-obscurity, @ THE VERY LEAST).

    All the libelling of others online will not help you, once people see how you react in your "geek angst" when you lose poorly due to bogus libelling of others on this website, which makes you appear in your true nature of being a libellous online scumbag weasel, clone53421.

  68. Re:Here's WHY Clone the scumbag is libelling other by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take your paranoid ranting somewhere else where 10 year olds gather perhaps?

    Please leave Slashdot for those who can behave like adults.

    Spamming just makes you look like a fuckwad with an axe to grind.

    Calling someone a libellous weasel and then posting as AC makes you look pathetic.

    Leads me to think you are a malware author.

    Happy now asshole?

  69. Truth of clone's losing a debate's getting to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above. The second you see name calling and more libel in calling others crazy is the second you know you have the opponent on the ropes. Good job in giving yourself away clone53421, as you reply as anonymous coward now. Do you think that fools anyone, other than yourself? No, sorry, it does not. You libelled someone and now that the truth of your crap is out you only have your mod downs (keep blowing those mod points, you won't have any left soon and I could care less about what I get rated, this is just me replying as ac is all now) and name calling versus the truth of what you have in your signature here which only shows you are an idiot because you didn't get the real story of how Jeremy Reimer and Jay Little of arstechnica had the law called on them, their isps caught them email harassing this ac apk, and how their websites were removed by their hosting providers too. Hilarious and just desserts to them both. Same to you clone53421. You're not fooling anyone by replying as ac.

  70. Clone libelling others is adult? Beg to differ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above. The second you see name calling and more libel in calling others crazy is the second you know you have the opponent on the ropes. Good job in giving yourself away clone53421, as you reply as anonymous coward now. Do you think that fools anyone, other than yourself? No, sorry, it does not. You libelled someone and now that the truth of your crap is out you only have your mod downs (keep blowing those mod points, you won't have any left soon and I could care less about what I get rated, this is just me replying as ac is all now) and name calling versus the truth of what you have in your signature here which only shows you are an idiot because you didn't get the real story of how Jeremy Reimer and Jay Little of arstechnica had the law called on them, their isps caught them email harassing this ac apk, and how their websites were removed by their hosting providers too. Hilarious and just desserts to them both. Same to you clone53421. You're not fooling anyone by replying as ac either clone53421.

  71. There goes your mod points lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above. The second you see name calling and more libel in calling others crazy is the second you know you have the opponent on the ropes. Good job in giving yourself away clone53421, as you reply as anonymous coward now. Do you think that fools anyone, other than yourself? No, sorry, it does not. You libelled someone and now that the truth of your crap is out you only have your mod downs (no more down modding the ac apks posts anymore for you, haha) and name calling versus the truth of what you have in your signature here which only shows you are an idiot because you didn't get the real story of how Jeremy Reimer and Jay Little of arstechnica had the law called on them, their isps caught them email harassing this ac apk, and how their websites were removed by their hosting providers too. Hilarious and just desserts to them both. Same to you clone53421. You're not fooling anyone by replying as ac.

  72. falconhell = clone53421's alternate reg'd acct eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject above. The second you see name calling and more libel in calling others crazy is the second you know you have the opponent on the ropes. Good job in giving yourself away clone53421, as you reply as anonymous coward earlier and falcondouche now. Do you think that fools anyone, other than yourself? No, sorry, it does not. You libelled someone and now that the truth of your crap is out you only have your mod downs (keep blowing those mod points, you won't have any left soon and I could care less about what I get rated, this is just me replying as ac is all now) and name calling versus the truth of what you have in your signature here which only shows you are an idiot because you didn't get the real story of how Jeremy Reimer and Jay Little of arstechnica had the law called on them, their isps caught them email harassing this ac apk, and how their websites were removed by their hosting providers too. Hilarious and just desserts to them both. Same to you clone53421. You're not fooling anyone by replying as ac or by using your other registered accounts to reply now moron. Any idiot knows that if you change your ip address (shut off your system, and modem on many isps you get a new ip address, or you can just rdp into another system and post too, as another option, or use anonymous proxy servers or tor onion routers. Take your pick!) and use another registered account you can 'work miracles' and even mod up a moron like clone53421 (in other words, yourself, falcondouche).

  73. Re:falconhell = clone53421's alternate reg'd acct by Falconhell · · Score: 1

    Ah poor widdle AC, you really are paranoid eh?

    I had never heard of "Clone" before your piss weak spamming.

    Does your mate clone live in Australia? Hmmmm?

    Check my posting history kindy boy.

    Now for goodness sake grow up and try to act like an adult not a 10 year old.

    You are as I said previously spamming a load of paranoid nonsense.

    You should note that I have the courage to post logged in, something a pathetic coward like yourself does not do.

    I am not going to waste my time replying to you again. But I will mod down any further posts of a similar nature I see.

    Its hard to decide whether you are pathetic or amusing.

  74. The SHEER INTELLIGENCE... of 'FalconDouche' (not) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590

    Hilarious. This moron 'falcondouche' has to be the STUPIDEST POSTER ON /., no questions asked, after I read that one.

  75. FalconDOUCHE the "telecom tech"? B.S., see inside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
    on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)

    LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs. I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you called others names no less?? Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not.

  76. Welcome to Professor FalconDOUCHE's email class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They only said this, in response to your ignorance dumbo, lol:

    "you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by Falconhell (1289630)
    on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)

    Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":

    ***

    Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.
    .
    .
    .

    This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972

    ***

    LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):

    "I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
    on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)

    LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs. I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you called others names no less??

    Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not. Chump YOU make it "too easy" to make you look like a FOOL... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech".

    FalconDOUCHE - I have to say it: You are the STUPIDEST person I've ever encountered, literally, on this website in oh, 7 yrs. or so now. I base that on what is above, lmao... hilarious. At least you earn the "dubious honor" of being "STUPIDEST POSTER ON /.", lol (so look at the bright side!)

    1. Re:Welcome to Professor FalconDOUCHE's email class by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Trying hard, failing to land a blow again.

      The more you lose the more abusive you get.

      Thats how we can tell your just a 10 year old.

      So I post a couple of lines you hammer away at another nonsensicla rant, hilarity ensues!

      Oh and for your information email was unheard of outside of universities right up until the early 90's in australia.

      So in effect there was no email. Hope that isnt too complicated for you kindy boy.

  77. Land a blow? YOU KNOCKED YOURSELF OUT, lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LMAO - you're right about 1 thing: I didn't HAVE to "land a blow" as you called it - YOU DID THE JOB FOR ME (lmao), read on to those reading... this is "vintage Professor 'FalconDOUCHE'" @ his finest below, lol:

    "you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by Falconhell (1289630)
    on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)

    Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":

    ***

    Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.

    This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972

    ***

    LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):

    "I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
    on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)

    LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.

    I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less??

    LMAO!

    (Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not. LOL, you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol))

    1. Re:Land a blow? YOU KNOCKED YOURSELF OUT, lol! by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Ah yes hotmail got my IP, along with completely false registration info, thats gonna really hurt me!

      At least you are managing to make slightly more sense than before. One can even decipher some of your sentences!

      I could not care less what you believe. Any sensible person reading these posts will quickly see who is the incoherent ranting troll who posts caopy pastas, and who is giving calm measured responses.

      I feel sorry for you really all that typing and you still have not even come close to making a point.

      Still your anger is funny!

  78. No anger, but could we have what you're smoking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL, per the subject-line above? Whatever it is you are smoking is making you "peer into different alternate dimensions" because your history of email below? LMAO!

    (I suspect that years ago some neighbor of yours found out you smoked pot, and said he had some (whilst he was furiously grinding up some pine cones or something instead, lol) and he sold you it, saying it was (what was it you called Aussie pot? Ah yes -> ) "the finest there is" (lol, and judging by your performance here "Professor FalconDOUCHE"? You're DEFINITELY still smoking that "same fine stuff" LOL!)...

    Ah, read on for a laugh people, because this shit's hilarious (I have to give FalconDOUCHE 1 thing - his mistakes make me laugh hugely, so much so, my stomach hurts):

    "you do realise that there was no email in 1979 dont you? Oh of course being 10 you wouldnt" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
    on Wednesday April 28, @12:35AM (#32009320)

    Dimwit, there's been email systems since before ARPANET http://www.nethistory.info/History%20of%20the%20Internet/email.html ... utterly unbelievable: Here's a quote from said "HISTORY OF EMAIL":

    ***

    Email is much older than ARPANet or the Internet. It was never invented; it evolved from very simple beginnings.

    This is why Ray Tomlinson is credited with inventing email in 1972

    ***

    LMAO, wait wait... it gets BETTER next, below (so "play it again, SAM"):

    "I qualified as a Telecommunications tech in 1979" by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
    on Tuesday April 27, @11:42PM (#32008806)

    LMAO -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1619750&cid=32008590 see subject above, read url, and rinse-lather-repeat, falconDOUCHE... how stupid can you be? LOL, I bet you did that MERE TECHIE job on lol, telegraphs.

    I mean based on your dimwit reply in the url above, where you messed up on the fact that hotmail does give away your IP address, and where YOU called others names no less?? LMAO!

    (Man - Please, falconDOUCHE - do you think ANYONE believes that which I quote of you above, after reading the URL below it? LOL, not! LMAO... you can't even get email right (see url to anyone reading, lol), so you're far from a "telecom tech").

    About "landing a blow"? Hell, I didn't even HAVE TO TAKE A SWING, lol... you KNOCKED YOURSELF RIGHT OUT with what's above, lmao!

    I'm not angry man. Never was. It's generally very easy for me to take a down mod happy troll like you apart with ease... especially you, because you? You made the job easy to do, as you only did yourself in with huge mistakes.

    This is yet another:

    "Ah yes hotmail got my IP, along with completely false registration info, thats gonna really hurt me!" - by FalconDOUCHE (1289630)
    on Wednesday April 28, @01:35AM (#32009954)

    Hmmm, didn't you call others here malware makers or hackers today? Funny, but what you're doing is exactly what hacker/cracker types do. Pot calling the kettle black now, are we, "Professor FalconDOUCHE"??

    Piece of SOLID (and yes, actually friendly) advice - don't go advertising that you do hotmail like that for one thing, and secondly? With your IP address, I can "zero in" pretty much within 50-100 miles of your location. That's not much to worry about, but I can resolve who your hosting provider is, and with evidence like you stating you fake hotmails and such?? It's enough to put you on a tracking ticket. I know, I worked for one of the worlds LARGEST BSP's in 2003-2004 in their NOC, and know what happens, and it doesn't take much for that to occur (tracking tickets/surveillances of users).

  79. Re:clone53421 likes stalking others to other forum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apk says here he’s BUSY AS HELL:

    FIRST: What gives you the idea I was stalking you? Buddy - I work, and am finishing off another degree: My days? Are actually BUSY AS HELL - I have things to do (make ca$h, AND, getting another bachelor's degree in CSC (A.A.S. part's done, 92 credits into the 120 towards the bachelors after this semester's done in fact, in CSC to go along with my MIS/B.S. Business too, both related & perfectly along what I do for a living for 16++ yrs. now professionally - Information Systems work (Databasing really)).

    well you sure could have fooled me...

    yes, apk is definitely BUSY AS HELL!:

    #31581460 #31582722 #31582896 #31583030 #31583334 #31584042 #31584232 #31584570 #31585028 #31585182 #31599452 #31602524 #31603116 #31603522 #31609050 #31612540 #31612814 #31613160 #31618278 #31627354 #31703250 #31740066 #31740432 #31740880 #31743526 #31766346 #31766428 #31766442 #31766482 #31766528 #31766550 #31766590 #31766616 #31766658 #31766714 #31880668 #31880840 #31880878 #31880900 #31880932 #31880952 #31880980 #31880992 #31881052 #31881072 #31881086

  80. Re:clone53421 likes stalking others to other forum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh look, it's the troll that's been stalking Clone53421, Squiggleslash, Falconhell, GM Howell, Red Flayer, and Tom Hudson.

    For those new to this, the troll is someone claiming to be a defender of a certain Alexander Peter Kowalski, the author of a tool, apkapp2backgrounddaemonprocessengine, generally considered malware by a large number of anti-malware companies and organizations.

    CA
    PestPatrol
    SpywareDB ("Dangerous!")
    Freedom Anti-Spyware
    Spycheck (Spanish-language) - "Recomendacion: DESACTIVAR Y ELIMINAR"
    Spyware No-More ("Threat risk: High risk", "Advice: Remove This is a very high risk threat and should be removed immediately as to prevent harm to your computer and / or to protect your privacy")

    Mr Kowalski, or his admirer, got upset because someone had the audacity to link to a threat describing Kowalski's attempts to remove some embarrassing comments posted under his name. Rather than deal with it maturely, this person has been attempting to stalk said poster and those who pointed out Kowalski wasn't doing himself any favors.

    So if you see these comments posted as replies to clone, squiggleslash, GM Howell, Falconhell, Red Flayer, or Tom, now you know why they're appearing. And if you feel like joining in, making it clear to Mr Kowalski that spamming, sliming, and stalking are unacceptable, well, come on in, the water's lovely!