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Emulation For Preservation of Digital Artifacts

An anonymous reader writes "Author Salman Rushdie donated his papers and notes to Emory University a while ago. Not surprisingly, many of Rushdie's original notes, drafts, and correspondence existed in electronic form. Rather than printing them out or converting them to other formats, archivists at the university created an emulated image of Rushdie's old computer, complete with old software. Researchers visiting the archive can read his email in Eudora and his Stickies notes, or read drafts of his books in ClarisWorks. When you leave your legacy to future generations, would you like a virtualized copy of your personal system to be included?"

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  1. When I was your age... by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Funny

    But it will totally mess up talking to our grandkids! They will know exactly how bad it was.

    1. Re:When I was your age... by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why, when I was young, there was no streaming video from "pornhub.com"... I had to download ASCII porn from a dial-up BBS over a 1200 baud modem!

      Now that "the network is the computer", it is not enough to emulate just the local machine... much of what a computer does relies on interaction with a network that will be radically different in just a few years. E.g. how will all those DRM encumbered videos and tunes authenticate? Most of what my daughter regards as being "on the computer" is actually just the local interface of an application running on a server thousands of miles away.

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    2. Re:When I was your age... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Now that "the network is the computer", it is not enough to emulate just the local machine... much of what a computer does relies on interaction with a network that will be radically different in just a few years. E.g. how will all those DRM encumbered videos and tunes authenticate?

      Simple: take a snapshot of environment that the authentication requires, and then emulate that in perpetuity.

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    3. Re:When I was your age... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      When I was young (actually in my mid 20's) only the rich people had 1200 baud. The rest of us had 300 baud.

    4. Re:When I was your age... by shogun · · Score: 1

      Now that "the network is the computer", it is not enough to emulate just the local machine... much of what a computer does relies on interaction with a network that will be radically different in just a few years. E.g. how will all those DRM encumbered videos and tunes authenticate?

      Simple: take a snapshot of environment that the authentication requires, and then emulate that in perpetuity.

      Sounds simple... so why aren't pirates currently doing just that?

    5. Re:When I was your age... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sounds simple... so why aren't pirates currently doing just that?

      Well I don't know, maybe they are ... but the issue is how to maintain the authentication long after the authenticators no longer exist on a network. I assume that a digital museum could obtain the co-operation of the rights-holders to perform the needed authentication emulation.

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    6. Re:When I was your age... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      take a snapshot of environment that the authentication requires I tried, but for some reason Blizzard and Steam won't let me take a snapshot of their servers. Go figure!

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    7. Re:When I was your age... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Good, perhaps in the future the elders won't have it so easy to paint their views as more valuable than they really are. Who knows, it might even help them realise a) who funds their well being now b) who covers majority of their medical expenses. Perhaps resulting in decency not to frak things up (say, while voting) many years down the line, when they are long gone.

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    8. Re:When I was your age... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      "Actually"?...

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    9. Re:When I was your age... by dotgain · · Score: 1

      I'm not 100% sure, but I think he means he's currently 20 years old, and used a 1200 baud modem around about when he was negative five.

  2. I pity the future by plover · · Score: 1

    Who the hell is going to want to go through my old electronic junk? There is so little of value spaced out amongst so much cruft that it wouldn't be worth anyone's time to sort it all out.

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    1. Re:I pity the future by Beelzebud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No one is, and that's because you're no Salmon Rushdie...

    2. Re:I pity the future by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Send it to me, ill go thru it.

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    3. Re:I pity the future by BrettJB · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, but it's entirely possible he's Salmon Teriyaki, or Salmon Sashimi...

      He might even be a nice Cedar Plank Grilled Salmon with Citrus Glaze Served with Seasonal Vegetables and Garlic Mashed Potatoes

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    4. Re:I pity the future by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Who the hell is going to want to go through my old electronic junk? "

      Tell that to the guy who was using the Rosetta stone as a doorstopper.

    5. Re:I pity the future by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Trash dumps are one of the most valuable objects for archeologists. They tell quite a lot about people who left the trash, indiscriminately, without really any whitewashing from the culture you want to study.

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    6. Re:I pity the future by plover · · Score: 1

      Most of our fascination with the past is not "how they lived" but rather "how they survived given the hardships of their existence". Nobody in the future is going to care how we lived or died, other than to note that we turned more raw resources into garbage in a single century than all of humanity consumed in all prior centuries combined.

      There are exceptional people, of course, that are fascinating to study for reasons other than "how they survived." I will not be one of them, not even with significant cultural whitewashing.

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    7. Re:I pity the future by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      A year after you die, almost nobody. A hundred years, possibly quite a few. Two hundred, I'm betting it'd quite possibly of historic importance. Recording and understanding history is very limited by how little "guy on the street" information we have for so much of it.

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    8. Re:I pity the future by beckett · · Score: 2, Funny

      with cynicism like that he's most likely Salmon of Doubt.

  3. Non-free operating system by tepples · · Score: 1

    How well will this sit with Apple and other copyright owners of non-free operating systems, applications, and media files that were on the decedent's drive?

    1. Re:Non-free operating system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given what Apple offers free for download on their site, I would tend to say somewhere between "pretty well" and "don't care."

    2. Re:Non-free operating system by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      Why would this be an issue? It's not like you or I can download it and experience it, we have to go and visit the archive to see it.

      Having an emulation of the computer just helps preserve the original, while only 1 copy of the OS/App/Media is active at all.

      This is how VMWare can justify Virtualization. You can use 1 license for everything, and have multiple copies of the machine available, but only 1 running.

    3. Re:Non-free operating system by maxume · · Score: 1

      Well, licenses are still transferable, so their opinion probably doesn't need to matter.

      I imagine that the legal apparatus in the U.S. would also, eventually, tend to side with the archivists (there are lots of judges that, in the event a lawyer came into their court to complain about a librarian making an archival copy of a 15 year software system that is no longer available for sale, would tell the lawyer to get bent, in approximately so many words).

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    4. Re:Non-free operating system by tepples · · Score: 1

      Why would this be an issue?

      Do they make sure to run the emulated Mac OS only on an Apple Labeled Computer as per the EULA?

    5. Re:Non-free operating system by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Mostly that's updaters they have for free download. You can't download Claris Works.

      They do have MacOS 7.53 available.

      (I don't need to, have it on original CD)

    6. Re:Non-free operating system by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Maybe they stuck one of those Rainbow stickers on it that you get in the package with many Apple products.

      Any computer can be Apple Labeled if you've got those stickers.

      (I've always liked placing the Intel Inside stickers on wastebaskets.)

    7. Re:Non-free operating system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry for the slightly unrelated post, but is anyone here able to identify the name of the emulator they are running on the computer?

  4. Hmmm... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    cd /porn
    rm -rf

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by zill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't forget to zero it out!

      Better yet, use the Gutmann method.

    2. Re:Hmmm... by phantomcircuit · · Score: 1

      The Gutmann wipe has been overkill for a very long time. Disk density is high enough that a single random pass is enough.

    3. Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rm -rf * .*
      Or, easier
      find -delete
      Nice try at being pedantic though.

    4. Re:Hmmm... by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      rm -rf * .*

      Beginners mistake.

      # rm -rf * .*
      rm: unrecognized option '--newb'
      Try `rm ./--newb' to remove the file `--newb'.
      Try `rm --help' for more information.

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    5. Re:Hmmm... by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand what pedantic means... Plus, for goodness sake, it was just a joke.

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  5. Depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...do you still have a working ext3 driver in the future and do you want 100 gigs of tranny porn and bad PHP programs?

    1. Re:Depends... by Velex · · Score: 2, Funny

      do you want 100 gigs of tranny porn

      As a tranny myself, all I have to say is, "Link plz."

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    2. Re:Depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      7chan.org/di
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      img.420chan.org/cd
      trapchan.org

  6. I was just pondering that notion. by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My ideas are not original. In fact, the idea sort of comes from various story lines from popular SciFi shows like Star Trek and SG-1. Not only should we be creating digital archives, we should be creating digital archives inside of orbital vehicles that are capable of sustaining their own orbits indefinitely. We should then beam up any and all data we can about ourselves to survive as evidence of our existence. If 2012 "end of the world as we know it" really were to happen, such digital archives in space would be at the very least pretty interesting to any beings that emerge after us or who happen along through our star system.

    This would be rather like voyager but would be continually updated as time and technology progresses. Keeping it in orbit is just about the best way to preserve it whether the data storage is in our local orbit or on the moon.

    1. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by maxume · · Score: 1

      I'm all for it, if you pay for it.

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    2. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah cuz we gotta pay the bankers to create money, since the market has a monopoly on money creation, and bankers gotta get paid before researchers trying to advance knowledge and develop the technology to predict and adapt to sudden catastrophic environmental change. I mean, if our elected officials could create money like the banks do under the fractional reserve, why would anyone develop things like the atomic bomb or computers or the internet, unless some banker had loaned it to them first?

    3. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently Evangelion was content with a crucified bio-engineered weapon floating in space. Just a bit of perspective, mind you.

    4. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Until the public get spaceships, then someone will drunkenly ram the digital archive with a megatanker and deorbit it along with hundreds of years of history. On the other hand, bounty hunters chasing outlaw ship jackers may get it blown up as collateral damage. Orrrr someone accidentally feeds the wrong targeting data into a kinetic kill missile.

      Pff, orbital museums. It's just best to store that data in the 'net, cyberpunk genre systems are more reliable than space sci-fi.

    5. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by nacturation · · Score: 1

      My ideas are not original. In fact, the idea sort of comes from various story lines from popular SciFi shows like Star Trek and SG-1. Not only should we be creating digital archives, we should be creating digital archives inside of orbital vehicles that are capable of sustaining their own orbits indefinitely.

      And when another civilization comes across it, it takes control of their captain's mind, has him/her/it experience a lifetime as a member of the other culture, then permanently wipes itself and leaves them with nothing but a flute?

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    6. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Keeping it in orbit is just about the best way to preserve it whether the data storage is in our local orbit or on the moon.

      If you meant there orbit around the Moon...that's a bad idea, orbits there are highly unstable. But placing most of the data storage under the lunar surface is probably the best place. Kinda like second monolith...

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    7. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      If the future people would even notice. They might just visit a few times in 1969 and never go back. http://www.webscription.net/p-291-mutineers-moon.aspx

    8. Re:I was just pondering that notion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then send it in for a chance to appear on "galaxies dumbest civilisations!"

  7. Insensitive clods by wbean · · Score: 1

    Why do they need to emulate Eudora. I still use my copy every day. It runs fine under 64-bit Windows 7.

    1. Re:Insensitive clods by dryo · · Score: 1

      I'm still using Eudora too... after all of these years. 13 years I think. WinXP64 currently.

    2. Re:Insensitive clods by adavies42 · · Score: 1

      they're clearly talking about eudora for classic mac os, given the references to clarisworks and stickies.

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  8. Easer to store by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    The problem is too far into the future the host you chose to emulate on may not exist either..

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    1. Re:Easer to store by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      Well then just emulate the computer used to host the emulator!

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    2. Re:Easer to store by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Of course, but it will be a question of how many layers can you go until things become unusable. At some point it wont be realistic.

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    3. Re:Easer to store by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Of course, but it will be a question of how many layers can you go until things become unusable. At some point it wont be realistic.

      So long as you have a few generations of hardware between the 'layered' emulators it shouldn't be a big deal; back in the 90s I remember running a DOS-based Sinclair Spectrum emulator on a PC Emulator on a Sparc laptop and the games ran at the same speed as the original Spectrum despite having two layers of emulation between them and the real CPU.

      Of course emulation bugs will tend to accumulate through the layers, so if you have fifteen layers you may find that it doesn't run the way it's supposed to :).

    4. Re:Easer to store by KibibyteBrain · · Score: 1

      Why would it not be realistic? PCs today is literally thousands of times faster than the last common PCs that can't run binary-compatible software with them. I don't see any reason to think this won't remain the case in the future, even if it always seems like there are show stopping performance limiting problems in the short-term.

    5. Re:Easer to store by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      I've just downloaded an emulator for an old system I used to use (George 3 on an ICL 1900).

      The emulator wants to run on Windows.

      Bugger, I'll have to run it under wine.

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  9. My preferred format? by feepness · · Score: 1

    When you leave your legacy to future generations, would you like a virtualized copy of your personal system to be included?

    Sure, but the writing on the walls of the cell gets kind of hard to read in the corners.

  10. pointless by ascari · · Score: 1

    Information has a shelf life: Most of the stuff on anybody's computer is really uninteresting, even to the owner of the information, and becomes more uninteresting as time passes.

    Add to that the fact that a lot of the contents of any given person's computer is the same as those of everybody elses. (E.g. how many copies of windows and word would be saving if this practice was to be widespread? How many viagra and cheap mortgage offers in the junk folder of the email program?)

    OK, so some of it may be historically or anthropologically interesting for coming generations, but most of it will be as disappointing as those clay tablets enumerating how many sacks of grain somebody owned 3,000 years ago. Once the challenge of cuneiform script was overcome the actual data was a big yawn. Any reason to think Rushdie's notes will be any different?

    Somebody will object that this method will preserve the programs etc needed to "decode" Rushdie's stuff in the future in case the programs are lost - but what happens if the emulation technology is lost?

  11. Good Idea by joebok · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When my Dad died last year, I made a VM of his laptop so I could help my mom out finding documents and other things that she would need for taxes and getting everything sorted out in her name.

    That is pretty much done now, but I still keep my dad's VM around. I was his tech support and I was always answering questions and sorting things out when they got messed up. He had made some funny personalizations to it (sounds and such). So even though I don't need it anymore, I still fire it up when I miss him. I even apply all the pending updates - I guess it is part of my grieving process.

    1. Re:Good Idea by Eric+the+Half-a-bee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that is awesome.

    2. Re:Good Idea by waynemcdougall · · Score: 4, Funny
      You mean I don't get out of providing tech support for my family members even when they die???

      I'm going to need a Plan B...

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    3. Re:Good Idea by baKanale · · Score: 2, Funny

      Even worse, you don't get out of providing tech support for your family members, even when you die! Bwahahahaha!

  12. I like it by interval1066 · · Score: 1

    Interesting idea. I don't know if its for me, per se, especially since I'm not a very prolific, writer, thinker, inventor, or all-around brilliant mind, but it is a way to leave a virtual presence postmortem.

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  13. We need to get the roms from pinball games and oth by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    We need to get the roms from pinball games and other Redemption games that still have not had there roms dumped.

    But pinmame / vpinmame and visual pinball have saved most of them but the ones that we still don't have rom dumps for are some of the ones that need to be saved.

  14. Digital Artifacts? by AnotherAnonymousUser · · Score: 1

    Digital Artifacts: Save The Jaggies!

  15. Ahh, ClarisWorks... by haaz · · Score: 1

    I find it funny that Rushdie was a Mac user back then, and used ClarisWorks. I actually liked that package a lot, as it did about enough for most people. I just think it's funny that he used it and Eudora at about the same time that I did.

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    1. Re:Ahh, ClarisWorks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, what did you expect from a connoisseur such as Salman Rushdie, Microsoft Word ? Beurk...

  16. They MUST emulate, may be no other option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When everything you've created was done in Electric Pencil on CP/M, copying the text to something more modern isn't all that difficult (providing you can read the 8" floppies). But when the works were done with obsolete software on an obsolete OS, but are something a little more sophisticated-- say the Music Construction Set on the Commodore Amiga, or the Swahili version of Wang Office, it might just be easier to emulate the hardware it ran on rather than try to figure out how to get it converted to something else...

  17. Why Emory? by oldhack · · Score: 1

    Rushdie is an Indian-born Brit, educated at Cambridge, a winner of Booker Prize (as well as Booker of Booker). Why are his papers entrusted to Emory?

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  18. In case anyone actually /wants/ to read my crap by Nimey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    my journal is in flat 7-bit ASCII, a choice I deliberately made back in the '90s.

    I don't expect anybody but my daughter to be interested, though.

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  19. If that's Rushdie... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they're real.

  20. Could be a possibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that after a while the emulator platforms also become outdated, and have to be virtualized themselves. Will the next centuries see the activity of scarving through levels of virtualization to get to some digital past raising as a new archaeologic discipline?

  21. This is the greatest idea since Penicillin. by HarlanBagels · · Score: 1

    I hold a master's degree in Library and Information Science, and I honestly believe that the only way libraries will continue to be relevant 30+ years from now is if they jump on the digital bandwagon.

    Just think about all of the rare, exclusive info that's been published in the last 100 years of many of the "small time" newspapers alone!

    House plans, original artist renderings, articles that were lyrical and powerful and educational all at once (because let's face it, we're about 80 years past the height of literacy in this country, people.)

    Digitization is not just a good idea. It's the absolute way of the future.

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  22. Emulation hacked, data lost forever!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt this archivist will know how to secure digital data against deletion by malicious hackers.

  23. die-hard retro users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Commodore community, this is coming up more often as people age. Several of us have passed on recently leaving behind huge libraries of floppy disks. Even if only the disks themselves are imaged (sector-by-sector copy to a file that can be used in emulators or stored on other computers), it can be a huge undertaking.

  24. Re:We need to get the roms from pinball games and by Nyder · · Score: 1

    ... but the ones that we still don't have rom dumps for are some of the ones that need to be saved.

    That is very profound.

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  25. Take a look at KEEP... by synoniem · · Score: 1

    KEEP (Keeping Emulation Environments Portable) will develop an Emulation Access Platform to enable accurate rendering of both static and dynamic digital objects: text, sound, and image files; multimedia documents, websites, databases, videogames etc. It's a project supported by the EU and several National Archives across Europe.

  26. Data Longevity through Virtualization by GRNXNM · · Score: 1

    I recently implemented this exact feature for my employer's image-based backup product for Windows systems. I hesitated to post this, at the risk of sounding like a commercial, but I think it's relevant.

    The product itself (ShadowProtect) makes snapshot-based backup images. The relevant feature, called VirtualBoot, can be used to immediately boot a specified backup image within a Sun VirtualBox VM, without the need to restore the backup or to convert it to any other file format (lengthy operations). There are many use cases facilitated by this feature, and data longevity is one of them.

    By preserving the applications and operating system, along with the data, the data's lifespan is significantly increased, particularly when data stored in proprietary formats (where the source apps are essential in order to consume the data).

  27. Eudora? Functional? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we hit Delete?

  28. Liebot by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

    THIS is the saddest thing ...

  29. azizajalal by azizajalal · · Score: 1

    This is the best thing for ever Film

  30. Copy of my system - no way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'd have to include my sticky keyboard. :)