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Facebook Retroactively Makes More User Data Public

mjn writes "In yet another backtrack from their privacy policy, Facebook has decided to retroactively move more information into the public, indexable part of profiles. The new profile parts made public are: a list of things users have become 'fans' of (now renamed to 'likes'), their education and work histories, and what they list under 'interests.' Apparently there is neither any opt-out nor even notice to users, despite the fact that some of this information was entered by users at a time when Facebook's privacy policy explicitly promised that it wouldn't be part of the public profile."

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  1. Don't worry by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who ever had even a passing interest in personal data security and privacy has left Facebook months ago (or, like me, never considered it a great idea to put your life online for public review). Everyone left will probably think it's a great feature.

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    1. Re:Don't worry by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, there is another category: the uninformed. A lot of people really do not keep up with the latest decisions Facebook is making with regard to personal privacy, or are even aware that Facebook can, at any time, reveal their data. I am referring, of course, to the same sort of people who are not sure what a web browser is or which browser they are using -- which appears to be the overwhelming majority.

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    2. Re:Don't worry by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Black and white much?

      There's such a thing as only giving facebook the information you don't mind being public. I don't give much of a crap who knows who my friends are but at the same time I'm not posting credit card details in my status updates.

    3. Re:Don't worry by poena.dare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, some stuff is OK to be public. The stuff I don't want to be public I put "I DON'T WANT THIS INFO TO BE PUBLIC" in the fields. Oh and don't "like" anything you want to keep private.

      Facebook is like a friend that can't keep his mouth shut. Don't tell him EVERYTHING, silly people.

    4. Re:Don't worry by Nursie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not useless. It's a damn good way to keep in touch with friends all over the planet.

      Yes, I know personal web pages, email and (god forbid) the phone is still there, but it turns out the status updates in fb keep just the right amount of info flowing to keep people like me interested.

      Email and other forms of contact often get stale, you stop writing, you stop calling after a few months of not seeing each other. FB keeps a minimal level of contact going, and it keeps people together.

      I'm prepared to have some of my data mined for that convenience. I doubt very much that identity theives could get very far with what's on there.

    5. Re:Don't worry by Alien1024 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to think like that, but the worst thing about facebook privacy is not what you disclose about yourself (which after all is what you choose to disclose and nothing more), but what others publish about you. Here is some news for you: even if you don't have an account, you are probably already on facebook. Unless you live in a cave or avoid social life at all costs, chances are someone already uploaded a picture with you. It's preferable to have an account so you'll usually (though not always...) get to see those photos, comment on them, etc. That's the only reason why I signed up in the first place.

    6. Re:Don't worry by RepelHistory · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunately, for a member of Gen Y, it is not a question of an interest in personal privacy. Facebook has become a legitimate part of our social identity. A great deal of communication and social interaction goes on through Facebook. While I agree that the changes to Facebook are horrendous, deleting my profile is simply not an option if I want to continue to have a full social life - for example, many events/parties/gatherings/whatever are coordinated solely through Facebook, and off the top of my head I cannot think of a single friend of mine that does not have a profile. Not having a profile at this stage would be akin to an 18th-century Frenchman deciding not to go to salons because he thought they were lame. It is simply not an option unless I want to become a pariah.

      Of course, the trouble is that Facebook knows how important it has become, and now can essentially do whatever it wants knowing that very few people will ever leave due to the reasons I expressed above.

    7. Re:Don't worry by makomk · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is an option in the privacy settings to turn off your publicly indexable profile. You can still be on Facebook, share info with people you want to, and just disable the ability of search engines and data miners to pull information out of a publicly available profile.

      That just stops your profile from showing up in search results. All of the publicly-available parts of your profile - name, location, pages, gender, friends list, etc - are still avaiable to every application that any friend of yours uses, and now also to approved third-party websites that they visit too. There's no way to turn this off.

  2. There is a notice in the fine print if you edit... by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Confirm the Pages that will be on your profile
    Uncheck any Page you don't want to link to. Linking to education and work Pages may also create additional Pages, such as for your major or job title. If you don't link to any Pages, these sections on your profile will be empty. By linking your profile to Pages, you will be making these connections public. [emphasis mine]

    You are about to remove this information
    If you don't link to any Pages, the following sections on your profile will be empty:
    • Work and Education
    • Current City
    • Hometown
    • Likes and Interests

    So your options are all or nothing.

  3. If you're that concerned about "privacy" by jacks+smirking+reven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why be on Facebook at all? They don't run it for warm fuzzy feelings. The bulk of the $$$$ is contained in its user data so they'll tap that well more and more as time goes on, not less.

    1. Re:If you're that concerned about "privacy" by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh come on, there's a link on Slashdot right now to become a fan on facebook!

      Goddammit to hell.

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  4. 419 Scammers? No, it's really employers. by rwade · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How long until identity thieves, 419 scammers & spammers create software that can
    trawl sites like facebook for useful info?

    Seriously, what are they going to find that will be so useful? "Hello, sir -- I note that you went to the University of Nebraska and worked for a while at Cargill. Because of this, I am interested in repatriating my family's fortune to your bank account, for which you will get a fee." Get real...

    The realistic threat of facebook vis a vis privacy is that of your youthful indiscretions being on wide display for coworkers and bosses to see.

    1. Re:419 Scammers? No, it's really employers. by sjs132 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I doubt 419 scammers also... Employers maybe... Goverment, yes? The fact that I'm on a number of fanlists that would probably have me labled a radical conservative is not something I want available on my facebook page. (Even if people know by my posts and who know me, etc..) So I went into the profile options and figured I'd "customize" it. Well I changed it to "only me" option and logged out,etc. they still show up. So now the goverment can deploy a robot to crawl facebook and build a map of your "like" links and probably come up with a good profile of you opinion/politics.

      Is there a paranoid group I can like too?

      Where is the outrage?

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    2. Re:419 Scammers? No, it's really employers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a lot more than employers and coworkers. Insurance companies could see if you hang out with people who are into dangerous sports, drink too much or are otherwise exposed to increased risks. Banks could draw conclusions about your credit worthiness by looking at the credit history of your friends. Merchants could see what your friends like or bought and at what price. Then they can avoid lowballing an offer to you (i.e. get you to pay the most you're willing to pay). The social graph is powerful economic information.

    3. Re:419 Scammers? No, it's really employers. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ditto here. But.....

      "We must all hang together, or we will surely hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin. They proudly scrawled their names across that document. Sometimes it's more important to stand-up for what is right, than to be anonymous.

      BTW I prefer the word "liberal". I want people to have the right to carry guns for self-defense, to marry whomever they please, worship whatever deity they desire, eliminate income tax for everyone below $100,000 (as was the case in the 1920s), and amend the constitution to give Member States the power to nullify the central government's acts (via a 25 majority vote). There is nothing "conservative" about these ideas, so it makes little sense to keep using that label on me.

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    4. Re:419 Scammers? No, it's really employers. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I get these all the time from muppet friend who have had their password stolen, but it is definitely easy to tell...

      And who tells you that it will not get better? An advanced spamming software might determine common interest between and the person from whom the mail claims to come (now easy, with all the data public on facebook), match them against a database of plausible content, maybe even automatically analyze (in a rudimentary way) the writing style on his facebook profile, and then use that information to compose a mail which doesn't look suspicious.

      For example, if both you and your friend like a certain artist, then they could e.g. send a mail claiming to be from him which says "Hey, did you see the new site about $ARTIST? It's at http://malwareinfectedsite.com/ and it's better than $ARTIST's own page!"

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    5. Re:419 Scammers? No, it's really employers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The enemies of freedom in our country use the words "liberal" and "conservative" to lump people who are truly trying to effect positive change together with the various groups of screaming man-children depicted with those monikers on television. So since I believe that government should not interfere in people's lives except when fundamental rights are violated, I get lumped together with the Glenn Beckbeast with the word "conservative." I disagree with him and others like him on many points, mostly that there are no outrageous conspiracies to deny people rights.

      Words like liberal and conservative are being twisted to deny people the ability to think rationally. In that sense there is a conspiracy and everyone who uses those words is part of it.

    6. Re:419 Scammers? No, it's really employers. by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One's friends and the interactions with them is a privacy risk.

      So even one posts a very basic user profile, such as the one you suggested, one's privacy is not safe. An interested party could fill in much of the blanks by tracking the interaction with others, including apps.

      Even Facebook book users with strict privacy settings are still at risk, if they don't literally screen every "friend" they have to ensure they are legit (ie. not a stranger sneaking in as a "rogue" friend) and that will they respect their privacy, as well as, all "friends of friends" (equals the whole world, practically; six degrees of separation comes to mind, so good luck with that).

      Facebook's business growth primarily comes from eroding user privacy to gather ever more specific, *personal data of each individual user* for marketing purposes, as well as, to grow its user base - more user profiles open to the public equates to more user interaction (ie. "friending", messaging, gaming, etc), and hence more traffic.

      Ron

  5. Why by mukund · · Score: 5, Informative

    You still use Facebook? Call me a troll, but think. Are you being intelligent if you still use Facebook after all this?

    After my last Slashdot comment, I deleted my profile. One of the sub-comments explains how to delete it instead of just disabling it.

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    1. Re:Why by 1000101 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I use Facebook simply to keep in touch with friends, receive invites, etc. So my profile has some information about me:
      • 1. I 'like' a couple of bands that I like to keep up with
      • 2. I 'like' college football
      • 3. I 'like' some tech companies that I do business with
      • 4. I have a Computer Science degree
      • 5. I live in Atlanta, GA

      What's the big deal? This is all information I would share with a random stranger sitting at a bar in an airport. I do use the strictest 'privacy' settings, but that is just to put a little more control over companies using my information for their monetary gain - not because I'm terrified of people finding out about it (why would I put it online if I were?). I don't join groups or post comments regarding politics or anything else one might consider sensitive, but if used correctly, Facebook can be harmless.

  6. What did you expect ? by Nightjed · · Score: 3, Informative

    People need to understand once something hits the internet its out there, no privacy promise by a huge corporation (that probably owns the data once it hits its servers and gave it self the right to change policy whenever they want in the wall of text) is going to protect it.

    The Cloud sound nice and all but the hype often forgets (intentionally ?) to make the dumb user aware of the consequences and dangers of putting something in a hard drive they cannot control

  7. Facebook Deepens Ties with Intelligence Agencies by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The "real danger" isn't youthful indiscretion. It's profiling in a giant model by Government AND commercial interests in ways that will forever affect your ability to get a job, find insurance or even your ability to freely travel.

    How do you build a panopticon, a prison for a society in which real power lies outside of government, in the hands of private commercial and financial interests? Honeypots. Google and Facebook and whatnot. Everyone is so anti-Government, like the stupid Reaganites. That's like being against a small-town cop. He's got the gun, alright - but he works for the man in the big house, at the edge of town. Hired. The enemy isn't Barney Fife - It's Old Man Potter.

    How does this relate to Facebook?

    You present a real, but minor threat, versus the real evil Facebook represent - along with the darkest nightmare of Google.

    Remember, Watson, at IBM supplied tabulation equipment for improving the German Census in the 1930's. Technology was welcomed, and was going to modernize, to improve every German life. Except for a minority or two, of 11 million...

    Cypher: "All I see now is blonde, brunette, redhead."

    Facebook has been gradually boosting its profile in Washington D.C. over the past year and is on the hunt for a second senior lobbyist to add to its office of four. Disclosures released a few days ago show that, on top of lobbying the usual suspects Internet companies reach out to like the Federal Trade Commission and the U.S. senators and representatives, the fast-growing social network has also been busy deepening ties to government intelligence and homeland security agencies. ...
    What's interesting about Facebook's lobbying in D.C. is what it spends money on despite its small size. It was the only consumer Internet company out of Google, Amazon, eBay, Microsoft, Yahoo and Apple to reach out to intelligence agencies last year, according to lobbying disclosure forms. It has lobbied the Office of the Director of National Intelligence -- an umbrella office founded in the wake of Sept. 11 that synthesizes intelligence from 17 agencies including the CIA and advises the President -- for the last three quarters on privacy and federal cyber-security policy. It has reached out to the Defense Intelligence Agency too.

    Well, Facebook has always been an "op" http://cryptogon.com/?p=13749

    Now, combine those observations with the next two pieces of information:
    Virginia Tech Is Building an Artificial America in a Supercomputer

    As many as 163 variables, mostly drawn from the U.S. Census, come into play for each synthetic American. Called EpiSimdemics, the model almost perfectly matches the demographic attributes of groups with at least 1500 people, according to Keith Bisset, a senior research associate who works on the simulation's software. The software generates fake people to populate real communities and assigns each person characteristics such as age, education level, and occupation to mirror local statistics derived from the most recent national census. In accordance with the data, some individuals are clustered into families, while others live alone.

    Every synthetic household is assigned a real street address, based on land-use information from Navteq, a digital-mapping company. Using data from a business directory, each employed individual is matched to a specific job within a reasonable commute from the person's home. Similarly, actual schools, supermarkets, and shopping centers identified through Navteq's database are also linked to households based on their proximity to the home. When an artificial American goes grocery shopping, the simulation algorithm assigns probabilities that

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  8. Bait-And-Switch: Why Make Excuses For It? by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm amused by the constant uproars people make every time facebook changes something. what the hell do they think the whole point of facebook is? that they are just providing this service for free? this is a classic case of people wanting their cake and eating it too.

    meanwhile, government already has complete access to everyone's communication. you don't hear nearly so much about that anymore. I'm a lot more worried about law enforcement abuse than marketing products I might actually want at some point.

    In this case, particular bits of data were disclosed to Facebook with the written understanding that they would remain private. That was according to Facebook's own privacy policy. Later, Facebook reneged on this understanding and unilaterally decided to made them retroactively public. They did this without giving anyone a chance to opt-out and there was no period of notice (between announcing this and actually doing it) to give users a chance to remove or edit that data. This is your classic bait-and-switch. They said one thing, got people to accept what they said on good faith, and then they did another thing.

    I understand that Facebook wants to make money. Every for-profit corporation wants to make money. However, that doesn't give them the right to use deception and that's what happened here. Reputable companies manage to make profit without making promises they refuse to keep to their users or customers. What Facebook did is like moving the goalposts or changing the rules while the game is being played. Can you understand now why saying "did you think they were providing you a free service" is a strawman and fails to address the actual issue here?

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  9. Re:I'm glad.. by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 4, Funny

    ..that I left that sinking ship (Facebook) a long time ago. It wasn't easy (littorally), but worth it.

    FTFY.
    :-P

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  10. EU Data protection laws by uksv29 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its possible the retroactive parts of these changes are in breach of UK/EU data protection laws. The issue is that a holder of personal data may only use information for the purposes for which it was provided. If the person supplying the data wished to keep it relatively private and Facebook then later make it public without the informed prior consent of the user then there is a probable breach of the regulations.

    Of course Facebook will say that they are not based in the EU but they probably do have servers and interests there and gain revenue from EU based advertisers.

  11. Just don't post it! by Bryansix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this so difficult? Repeat after me "I will not post anything to the Internet that I do not want the whole world to know". And also "I will not trust a third party company to keep my data private ever even if they pinky swear to it". Then if you don't post things you do not want revealed then when the company (facebook in this case) makes the data public or gets hacked then nothing of value will be lost.

    I also don't understand people who have facebook pages set all to private. What is the point of that. If you want to send information to a small group of people then set up a mailing list. Why you would use facebook for that purpose is completely beyond me. Instead tap into the fantastic intrinsic value that facebook has in building a brand identity and value for YOUR name. Post things that will make future employers, future lovers and your parents proud. Then you'll have nothing to hide because what you want hidden you never posted in the first place.

  12. It is astonishing how many here 'get it wrong' by schlick · · Score: 3, Interesting
    For all of you that keep saying "I don't post private information on the intarwebs, so I'm safe" you are missing the point. Facebook is just the leading example but ther has been a fundamental shift in the way the Internet is being used since the 90's.


    Eben Moglen:

    We have a kind of social dilemma which comes from architectural creep. We had an Internet that was designed around the notion of peerage - machines with no hierarchical relationship to one another, and no guarantee about their internal architectures or behaviours, communicating through a series of rules which allowed disparate, heterogeneous networks to be networked together around the assumption that everybody's equal.
    In the Web the social harm done by the client-server model arises from the fact that logs of Web servers become the trails left by all of the activities of human beings, and the logs can be centralised in servers under hierarchical control. Web logs become power. With the exception of search, which is a service that nobody knows how to decentralise efficiently, most of these services do not actually rely upon a hierarchical model. They really rely upon the Web - that is, the non-hierarchical peerage model created by Tim Berners-Lee, and which is now the dominant data structure in our world.
    The services are centralised for commercial purposes. The power that the Web log holds is monetisable, because it provides a form of surveillance which is attractive to both commercial and governmental social control. So the Web, with services equipped in a basically client-server architecture, becomes a device for surveillance as well as providing additional services. And surveillance becomes the hidden service wrapped inside everything we get for free.
    The cloud is a vernacular name which we give to a significant improvement in the server-side of the web - the server, decentralised. It becomes, instead of a lump of iron, a digital appliance, which can be running anywhere. This means that for all practical purposes servers cease to be subject to significant legal control. They no longer operate in a policy-directed manner, because they are no longer iron, subject to territorial orientation of law. In a world of virtualised service provision, the server which provides the service, and therefore the log which is the result of the hidden service of surveillance, can be projected into any domain at any moment and can be stripped of any legal obligation pretty much equally freely.
    This is a pessimal result.

    read the rest here.
    if you're too lazy to read watch it here.

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  13. Re:It wouldn't work. by rmushkatblat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    That's funny, you act like economics is a 0-sum game. One of the basic principles of macroeconomics is that it isn't.

    Maybe you should retake that class?

  14. Re:Facebook Deepens Ties with Intelligence Agencie by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In light of the above, I'd recommend the following article (and series) at Global Research: The Transnational Homeland Security State and the Decline of Democracy
    ( http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18676 )

    There are two bits here, relevant to the "Super Simulation" being built by NSA - and the role of ordinary Internet activity and Social Networks in functioning as data-sources:

    In November of 2007, Keith Olbermann interviewed Mark Klein on MSNBC, where Klein elaborated on the secret program, saying that virtually all internet traffic in the entire country was handed over to the NSA. He appeared on MSNBC at a time when Congress was debating whether or not to grant the telecom companies legal immunity for participating in the NSA program, which would thus shut down all pending legal action being taken against the companies for their involvement in the illegal program. Klein reflected on his job, saying that, "Here I am, being forced to connect the Big Brother machine."

    and:

    In September of 2003, Congress ended funding for the program. The media then hailed the TIA program as "dead and gone." Yet, the funding was cut for the specific program as envisaged under the umbrella of TIA. The various programs within TIA could continue as separate projects, with the full funding and support of Congress. ...
    In 2006, it was revealed that TIA stopped "in name only" and in fact does live on, and it "was moved from the Pentagon's research-and-development agency to another group, which builds technologies primarily for the National Security Agency." Interestingly, "Two of the most important components of the TIA program were moved to the Advanced Research and Development Activity, housed at NSA headquarters in Fort Meade, Md." The program has heavy involvement from private defense and intelligence contractors, highly secretive corporations that get major contracts from US intelligence agencies to be able to undertake intelligence activities that aren't subjected to Congressional oversight.

    An infallible method of conciliating a tiger is to allow oneself to be devoured.
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  15. Re:It wouldn't work. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the defining features of arm-chair socialists is that they think that.

  16. Facebook users are NOT the customers. by SemperUbi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are the product. We're what Facebook sells to advertisers in order to bring in their business. Facebook needs to offer just enough privacy and control to keep most of us, but not so much as to ruin the value of the product.