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Obama To Decide On New Weapons

krou writes "Buried within the New Start treaty, which saw the decommissioning of nuclear warheads, was an interesting provision as a result of Russian demands: the US must 'decommission one nuclear missile for every one' of a new type of weapon called Prompt Global Strike 'fielded by the Pentagon.' The warhead, which is 'mounted on a long-range missile to start its journey,' would be 'capable of reaching any corner of the earth from the United States in under an hour. ... It would travel through the atmosphere at several times the speed of sound, generating so much heat that it would have to be shielded with special materials to avoid melting. ... But since the vehicle would remain within the atmosphere rather than going into space, it would be far more maneuverable than a ballistic missile, capable of avoiding the airspace of neutral countries, for example, or steering clear of hostile territory. Its designers note that it could fly straight up the middle of the Persian Gulf before making a sharp turn toward a target.' The new weapon is in line with Obama's plans 'to move towards less emphasis on nuclear weapons,' and rather focus on conventional ones. The idea is not new, having been first floated under the Bush administration, but was abandoned, mainly because 'Russian leaders complained that the technology could increase the risk of a nuclear war, because Russia would not know if the missiles carried nuclear warheads or conventional ones.'"

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  1. Haven't seen this one yet... by ProdigyPuNk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FTFA: The idea is not new: President George W. Bush and his staff promoted the technology, imagining that this new generation of conventional weapons would replace nuclear warheads on submarines. In face-to-face meetings with President Bush, Russian leaders complained that the technology could increase the risk of a nuclear war, because Russia would not know if the missiles carried nuclear warheads or conventional ones. Mr. Bush and his aides concluded that the Russians were right. Partly as a result, the idea “really hadn’t gone anywhere in the Bush administration,” Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, who has served both presidents, said recently on ABC’s “This Week.” But he added that it was “embraced by the new administration.”

    First time I've seen something like this, where Obama is more hawkish on a military matter than Bush ? Man that seems wierd...

    1. Re:Haven't seen this one yet... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First time I've seen something like this, where Obama is more hawkish on a military matter than Bush ? Man that seems wierd...

      I'd actually say he's more capable than Bush was. Bush couldn't deploy this because it risked war with Russia. Obama has skill as a diplomat and convinced them they could inspect the launch site and we'd remove a nuke from our arsenal for each one. Partly this was possible because Obama has a good diplomatic relationship with the Russians. So now we theoretically have another military option. This is why all those hardliners who think diplomacy is weakness are dead wrong.

    2. Re:Haven't seen this one yet... by LanMan04 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also tends to break his promises. A lot.

      *BUZZ* Thanks for playing.

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

      * Promise Kept 110
      * Compromise 34
      * Promise Broken 19
      * Stalled 83
      * In the Works 255
      * Not yet rated 3

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    3. Re:Haven't seen this one yet... by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now he's trying to piss-off our ally Israel

      I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but if Israel really is our ally, then shouldn't they be trying to work with us in trying to deal with the Arab nations? It seems lately that they are more interested in throwing more gasoline on a very large fire, and handing us a garden hose to put it out. Allies have a responsibility to keep the peace as well.

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    4. Re:Haven't seen this one yet... by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

      All politics is local. We can't even keep Arizona in line on Human Rights, and I'm pretty sure they're still our ally. Pretty sure. That's the best I can give you.

    5. Re:Haven't seen this one yet... by Bruiser80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Promises kept - 110/504 = 21%

      Promises broken - 19/504 = 3.8%

      Promises "not kept" - 394/504 = 79%

      It's all a matter of perspective - which side of the aisle you're looking from.

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  2. I don't see what the ruskies are so worried about. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    After all, if the warhead contains more than 3 ounces of fluid in any one container, or won't fit in a one liter zip-lock bag, there is no way that the TSA will allow the launch...

    If the TSA's word isn't sufficiently reassuring, we could always stencil "No nukes here, we're saving them for Ivan" on all conventional ordnance...

  3. Re:Don't blow shit up - problem solved by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>>Our efforts to blow stuff up in Iraq and Afghanistan have only worsened our image in the Middle East and created even more rabid terrorists

    I could have told you that on 9/12.
    In fact I did tell people that, saying going to war is not the solution,
    but at the time people were thinking like animals. All they could see was "red" and revenge.

    If you're going to risk billions of dollars and millions of lives, you don't do it for just 1 or 2 criminals. That's just ridiculous and totally disproportionate. Plus all it did was create a lot of orphaned children who will grow-up and want to kill Americans & Europeans. The problem is now worse, not better.

    A wiser course would be to mirror what we do in our own homes. Get better locks to keep out criminals. i.e. Close the borders, in order to prevent another Bin Laden from sneaking through, unless they first had permission (visa).

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  4. Re:Don't blow shit up - problem solved by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rome's problems...

    Poor leadership because you could kill your way to Emperor. So every new Emperor was a target of the Army leadership, family members, etc

    Slavery took away jobs from entire classes

    Unhappy classes because there were no jobs had to be kept happy with massive spending on things like games, tax free holidays, free food, etc.

    Lack of technological progress, the Western Empire stagnated under constant attack and couldn't progress, the Eastern Empire did better but again it was hammered by attacks on the frontiers.

    Over expansion and under population in the provinces.

    The United States could have gone the same way, if the expansion to the west had been coupled with constant warfare from massed Indian Tribes, Canada and Mexico all at the same time the American Civil War through Spanish-American War happened.