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Arizona "Papers, Please" Law May Hit Tech Workers
dcblogs writes "H-1B workers and foreign students may think twice about attending school or working in Arizona as a result of the state's new immigration law. If a police officer has a 'reasonable suspicion' about the immigration status of someone, the officer may ask to see proof of legal status. Federal immigration law requires all non-US citizens, including H-1B workers, to carry documentation, but 'no state until Arizona has made it a crime to not have that paperwork on your person,' said immigration lawyer Sarah Hawk. It means that an H-1B holder risks detention every time they make a 7-11 run if they don't have their papers, or if their paperwork is out of date because US immigration authorities are behind in processing (which condition does not make them illegal). The potential tech backlash over the law may have begun yesterday with a call by San Francisco City Atty. Dennis Herrera 'to adopt and implement a sweeping boycott of the State of Arizona and Arizona-based businesses.'"
Immigration (the concept, not the people) and thinking it's possible to fence the US is a load of crap. How about we stop trying to demonize absolutely everything and stop spending too much of my tax dollars on policing such moronic ideals? Can we at least focus on the simple problems of life first, like health, education, employment, and shelter? Apparently not if we want to keep a select few in filthy wealth.
Someone making a reasonable statement being modded down as troll because just someone else with mod points disagrees with what they said is becoming all too common on Slashdot. I'm about ready to take my karma and go home.
This ain't rocket surgery.
Kudos to Arizona for having the backbone to stand up in this foolhardy clime we live in and fight for what is right. We have been overran with illegal immigration. Our politicians have lacked the character and backbone to enforce the laws of the land. It's reached critical mass at last; we are about to explode. Globalization is a concept fed to the foolish to excuse corporate imperialism about the globe. This sick, fallacy riddled logic has found foothold in our education system where it thrives and propagates. It doesn't help that the US has accelerated backwards in the realm of education, in fact it's entire attitude towards education has become mocking. With such slack standards, its no wonder it has fostered forth the mindsets that rail against the sound logic of Arizona's new laws.
Behold now the hysterical rhetoric that will spew forth about this situation. We must wake up to the facts of our present day condition. We can't let a masochistic mindset that "we are the evil white people, we should bow our heads in guilt" cloud our reasoning. The border situation is wildly out of control, and by the time its consequences reached the high ivory towers where those who reside scorn Arizona, and rattle them from their delusions with bone jarring abruptness and clarity, it will be far too late. We must face the simple facts of the matter; we must fight even ourselves in these matters to save ourselves. We are at a crossroads, if we don't face the hard fight now, the campaign to our salvation will never be won. Too much ground has been lost, the wrong people have had ample time to gain power and traction. We see even here, on /., the fragments of a war of mindsets.
It is time to make a stand, to call fools out for what they are, and enforce the rule of law.
Take the Red Pill.
punishing people for something they cannot possibly fix
How about they stay in their own countries?
Honestly, if people can't make their own countries worth living in, what makes you think we want them in ours?
THL phish sticks
Sorry but the law is simply NOT unconstitutional.
#1 - If you are driving a motor vehicle, you are required to have your ID (drivers' license, insurance paperwork, and immigration documents if any) with you to present to any police officer who pulls you over. This is the law in all 50 states. No one questions the constitutionality of this.
#2 - If you are a PASSENGER in said motor vehicle, you are required to be able to identify yourself to an officer as well. This is constitutional.. Reference: US v. Slater.
#3 - Even if a motor vehicle is not involved, if police have any reason to stop and question you under a "suspicion of wrongdoing" , they may demand you identify yourself. THIS IS CONSTITUTIONAL. reference: US Supreme Court, Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada.
#4 - Consistent with Hiibel Arizona already has a constitutionally legal stop-and-identify law.
The only difference with the new law and the old is, before, they could haul you in for failure to identify. Now, if you fail to identify AND they subsequently find out you're an illegal alien while you are in custody, they can hand you over to ICE.
I'm not going to take the time to make these clickable, because if you're not willing to copy and paste, you only prove my point that you are avoiding news reports about reality:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-arrest_24met.ART.State.Edition1.4c46a6a.html Gee, funny how they didn't get recorded.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/04/22/2031222/Seattle-Hacker-Catches-Cops-Who-Hid-Arrest-Tapes?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader - yeah, camera didn't help him, did it?
Not directly related, but, uh, cops can lie, and this law is going to target pedestrians as much as drivers: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100409_11_A17_Aforme19933
Did a camera save this lady, even though the court admits she broke no law? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/pregnant_woman_tasered/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wired/index+(Wired:+Index+3+(Top+Stories+2))&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Wake up, man. I got all these stories from the first 3 pages of my own link collection at http://delicious.com/clintjcl/abuseofauthority ... If I went through all 76 pages of my link collection, I'd have a litany of examples showing that your attitude is not at all realistic. If I expanded my search beyond those stories I've personally read, I'd have even more.
Go ahead and make an ad hominem attack about my comments on the links. It's kind of what I expect at this point.
-Clio
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