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FAA Says No More Minesweeper Or Solitaire In Cockpit

If you like to pass the time playing minesweeper, or checking your Facebook updates while piloting a 900,000-pound aircraft 400 mph, you won't like the latest FAA decision. The agency has asked airlines to create policies to minimize cockpit distractions, including pilots' use of personal electronic devices. "There is no room for distraction when your job is to get people safely to their destinations," said DOT Secretary Ray LaHood. "The traveling public expects professional pilots to focus on flying and on safety at all times."

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  1. Minesweeper by D+Ninja · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should that have been caught when going through security at the airport? I mean, at a minimum, we're talking 10 bombs here...

    1. Re:Minesweeper by davester666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, the pilots should go back to bangin' the steward/ess from First Class...

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  2. MFS by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the ban apply to Microsoft Flight Simulator?

    1. Re:MFS by LunarEffect · · Score: 3, Funny

      Excuse me memeing, but...

      Yo dawg, we heard you like flying so we put a cockpit in your cockpit so you can fly while you fly! :D

    2. Re:MFS by VGPowerlord · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but you can get around that restriction with new Microsoft Flight Simulator Simulator 2010! Brought to you by the same people who brought you World of World of Warcraft!

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  3. They need something to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "focus on flying and on safety at all times" is staring at a big blue sky of nothing for hours on end. That will put anyone to sleep. Let them keep their minds doing something, who really cares what they do.

    1. Re:They need something to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      While our plane doesn't go nearly as fast (~120mph at cruise), we've still had plenty of moments of acute boredom. Try flying through airspace with next to no traffic on a clear day. Even without cruise control, flying straight and level with no turbulence takes almost no concentration. One time, we were the only plane flying through that center's territory at the time, so the only radio communication was when we first arrived into the airspace, and when we were handed off into the next. Add in two pilots, and an autopilot into that situation, and there's no way that it could possibly be healthy for both of them to be spending full time doing flight related tasks (There's simply nothing to do).

    2. Re:They need something to do by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only have autopilots worked incredibly well in the past, with a high success rate, but the idea is to keep Pilots awake by letting them exercise their mind while in flight.

      Staring at the same blinky lights and widgets all day is going to be about the same as staring at the same blank blue sky.

      A game of solitaire and Minesweeper shouldn't be that big an issue. Its like 10 minutes. If there was a catastrophic failure in that time there are systems in place to warn the pilots, like buzzers and alarms and warning sounds.

      When was the last time we had an airliner NOT get people safely to its destination based solely on a Pilot being distracted?

    3. Re:They need something to do by raddan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My thoughts exactly. If the FAA is going to ban things that keep pilots awake, they need to offer an alternative. Maybe 900,000 lb aircraft should come with games built-in? Something that turns itself off during critical moments. Seriously, did they do a study before they made this ruling?

      I have a lot more faith that a seasoned pilot playing minesweeper knows what he's doing than I do in some lawsuit-averse bureaucrat. That pilot is fully aware that errors will result in not just the deaths of everyone on board, but of himself too.

    4. Re:They need something to do by Kpau · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem with this ruling is that it doesn't address what those two pilots were doing --- trying to figure out the latest "point-headed boss FUD corporate BS" that was being hoisted on them. They weren't "playing Minesweeper" they were doing company work... kind of like the long-haul truckers expected to spend ridiculous times driving and yet still do all the corporate BS so they do it while driving.

    5. Re:They need something to do by ircmaxell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So long as one of the pilots is actively engaged in monitoring, why can't the other do something less intensive? The work load is only high enough to really warrant 2 pilots when they are close to the ground (under about 18,000 feet, so during takeoff, climb, late decent and landing). During cruise, I'd rather have them not focus, so they can remain rested for when their attention is really needed. When you have pilots who fly for 8 hours over a 12 hour day with no lunch and nothing more than a bathroom break, playing mine sweeper is the least of my worries. So by this rational, are they going to ban eating in the cockpit as well? What about going to the bath room? Like anything, there will be abusers, but for the vast majority of cases, distractions may actually promote safety by letting pilots get some much needed mental rest (so long as only one pilot is distracted at a time)...

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    6. Re:They need something to do by joocemann · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "focus on flying and on safety at all times" is staring at a big blue sky of nothing for hours on end. That will put anyone to sleep. Let them keep their minds doing something, who really cares what they do.

      What you wrote relates to something I was thinking about this... I realize they must pay attention and that lives are at stake... and I understand the purpose of what they are trying to do here. But what I don't see is any evidence that we have distracted pilots resulting in death to travelers...

      I have yet to hear of a single incident where some distracted pilot crashed and killed people. And so I am forced to ask if this ban/rule ACTUALLY makes any sense. In theory it seems good; but if nobody is actually dying from distracted pilots, wtf? Really.

    7. Re:They need something to do by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

      When was the last time we had an airliner NOT get people safely to its destination based solely on a Pilot being distracted?

      Well, ultimately they did arrive safely, but there were those guys who overshot an entire city last year because they weren't paying attention.

      That might have something to do with trying to crack down on the number of possible distractions in the cockpit. I mean, getting immersed in some piece of software and not realizing you're a half hour late in your descent and that you've overshot by 150 miles or so -- that's not the kind of thing passengers want happening.

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    8. Re:They need something to do by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The B-2 crews get to switch off with one sitting in a lawn chair behind the seats napping or listening to music, why are the commercial flights any different?

    9. Re:They need something to do by Volante3192 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Pilot: "I spy, with my little eye, something white and fluffy."

      Copilot: "A cloud. Ok, my turn. I spy, with my little eye, something white and fluffy."

      Pilot: "Another cloud. Alright, I spy..."

    10. Re:They need something to do by joocemann · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My thoughts exactly. After take-off they turn on the autopilot and there's not much to do until landing. It would put anybody to sleep, which isn't good if something should suddenly happen. Maybe they should alter the rules so that at least one of the pilot / co-pilot has to be paying attention at all times, or at least ease the ban for very long flights.

      As I wrote/asked in another reply... where are the people dying from these supposed distracted pilots? I've yet to hear about them.

      I have not seen a need for this law. The reason I'm replying to you specifically is that your approach has an implicit degree of acceptance to there being a need; can you give me evidence of this need? I just want to see some form of proof that we need this law/rule/ban in any shape or form.

    11. Re:They need something to do by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Informative

      no, that's the SEC

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    12. Re:They need something to do by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      They can clean their handguns.

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    13. Re:They need something to do by somejeff · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cap't Crunch: "I spy... with my little eye.... something that iiiiissss... square."
      Co-Cap't Palm Pilot: "Is it the APU Generator 1 Bus Tie Isolation Button?"

    14. Re:They need something to do by Da_Biz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just want to see some form of proof that we need this law/rule/ban in any shape or form.

      Before planes, let's start with a form of transportation that A) kills far more people than flying and B) has demonstrated clear and present dangers related to distration.

      Please join me in banning ALL forms of distraction in your automobile, including talk radio, music, the bobble hula-girl you've got on your dash and, above all, naughty children.

    15. Re:They need something to do by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have yet to hear of a single incident where some distracted pilot crashed and killed people. And so I am forced to ask if this ban/rule ACTUALLY makes any sense. In theory it seems good; but if nobody is actually dying from distracted pilots, wtf? Really.

      Sometimes you regulate before people die.

      In this case, the alarmingly distracted pilots last year who way overshot their destination point out how a distracted pilot could cause some serious problems -- up to and including death on a big scale.

      As I recall, they couldn't even be hailed because they simply weren't paying attention -- " During that time, air traffic controllers and the airline's dispatchers made numerous efforts to contact the plane by radio and through text messaging devices." If you're so distracted you can't be reached by radio in the cockpit, something needs to be remedied.

      I understand the pilots need to keep their brain engaged on something so they don't doze off, but they can't get so engaged as to lose track of what they're doing.

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    16. Re:They need something to do by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, looking down at your little screen instead of out there where there might be passing birds that fly into your engines

      Yeah, I've often worried about all those birds at 36,000 feet while in the cruise portion of my flights....

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    17. Re:They need something to do by fusiongyro · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think one cockup a year is an acceptable rate, especially if it's one non-dangerous one. Forcing them to concentrate on nothing is going to lead to more serious problems as they fall asleep at the wheel instead.

    18. Re:They need something to do by jps25 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only have autopilots worked incredibly well in the past, with a high success rate, but the idea is to keep Pilots awake by letting them exercise their mind while in flight.

      They've also caused accidents, but hey, who cares about facts, eh?

      When was the last time we had an airliner NOT get people safely to its destination based solely on a Pilot being distracted?

      Do you honestly want examples?
      1994: Aeroflot Flight 593
      1987: Northwest Airlines Flight 255
      There are plenty more, but the Northwest Flight 255 is a nice example. They were already way too distracted before take-off that they completely fucked it up and killed 156 people. 154 of 156 passengers on board and 2 on ground were killed.

      They're getting paid to be responsible, alert and to fly the plane, not play minesweeper.

    19. Re:They need something to do by the_tsi · · Score: 5, Funny

      "No, I was thinking of that mountain goat over there."

    20. Re:They need something to do by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, that was a pretty dangerous cockup, but that was due to the fact they had their radio silenced or whatever.

      They really shouldn't be flying around with that off at all. Even if they're paying attention to the plane, for all they know, the airport they've flying to has suffered some sort of disaster, or another plane is out of control and headed towards where they're flying, or Air Force One pulled rank on their flight corridor, or something external like that, and they should be flying elsewhere. Hell, maybe someone's started hijacking planes again, and the authorities have evidence that their associates are on your plane.

      Not playing attention to the plane the entire time is probably fine, as planes now are so automated that if anything goes wrong, it gives a warning. As long as one of the pilots glances over the controls every ten minutes or so, it would be okay.

      But not paying attention to the outside world via the radio is stupid.

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    21. Re:They need something to do by Rastl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Autopilots aren't infallible.

      I read that as "Autopilots aren't inflatable." Anyone else make that mistake? Anyone?

    22. Re:They need something to do by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Informative
      Not only have autopilots worked incredibly well in the past, with a high success rate,

      I was fascinated to learn that the Garmin G1000 glass-cockpit based C182 aircraft I was riding in (and will eventually have to pass a checkride in) has about fourteen different ways of immediately disabling the autopilot system. For a system that works so incredibly well, it seems odd there would be so many ways of killing it in an emergency.

      The autopilots (servos and actuators) are often quite a bit stronger than the pilot himself, so any autopilot failure can easily overpower the pilot. For this to happen at low altitude (such as while on a CATIII approach) would be fatal.

      Unfortunately, the idea that autopilots allow a pilot to use his mind to do something else is dangerous. "How long has that oil pressure reading been at 0?" is a lot more likely to happen if the pilot has spent the last half hour reading a novel instead of scanning the instruments while flying the plane. Yes, cruise flight is the most boring phase, but there's things for the pilot to do that doesn't prevent him from flying.

      And of course, autopilots are why distracted pilots result in aircraft flying well past their destinations, like the one that flew out over the ocean instead of landing in Hawaii, or the well-known recent one over MN.

    23. Re:They need something to do by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So then add some warning buzzers for when the plane is getting close to your programmed destination or something.

      What, like having air traffic control or the airline's dispatcher repeatedly trying to hail you on the radio and by text messages to see why you're not responding like you should?

      These guys weren't paying attention to the operation of the aircraft at all -- if you can't tell that someone is calling you on the radio, a buzzer wouldn't do a damned thing. Chances are, one had already gone off.

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    24. Re:They need something to do by coredog64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The way it's supposed to work, the soonest the pilot should engage the autopilot is after retracting the
      landing gear. On the landing side, if you have a new(er) aircraft and the appropriate equipment on the ground,
      the autopilot can land the aircraft. IIRC, the weight-on-wheels sensor cuts out the autopilot when it engages.

      (This is all hazy memories from my time as a DS-9 @ Boeing)

    25. Re:They need something to do by rilian4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Amen. This one mistake will now cost every other commercial pilot in the country. It's the same thing with gun laws. Punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Punish the pilots who screwed up...not the entire remaining staff of pilots who didn't. This is a stupid and ultimately harmful answer to what happened.

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    26. Re:They need something to do by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

      I love the over reaction to the "150 miles or so" how about you put that in perspective

      Perspective? You want perspective? How about these tid-bits from the link I provided earlier ...

      The crew of Northwest Flight 188 was out of radio contact with radio controllers for 77 minutes

      and

      When the flight attendant called him, Cheney said, he looked at an onboard display and saw no flight plan, then looked at a navigation display and and saw Duluth, Minnesota, to the left and Eau Claire, Wisconsin, ahead to the right.

      This isn't "missing an exit because you're having a conversation with a passenger". This is ignoring the fact that your GPS is telling you to turn right, your wife is telling you that you've missed the exit, and ignoring the police car with his lights flashing indicating that the road is closed ahead.

      Then, to top it all off ...

      First Officer Cole told the safety board that after the pilots discovered their error, he noticed several messages on a display instructing the crew to "contact ATC [Air Traffic Control]." Cole said he then "inadvertently" pushed the "delete all" button, erasing all the dispatch messages.

      Neither pilot could remember what happened to the cockpit paperwork, the report says. "Both stated they believed the Northwest chief pilot who met the aircraft may have taken possession of it," it says.

      This isn't a little "oops" we're talking about here. This isn't getting slightly distracted. This is a prolonged period of not being in control of a friggin' aircraft, and then doing some really dodgy things afterward which essentially wipes out the whole audit trail the system is supposed to have. So, we don't even really know WTF they were doing.

      You're trying to find plausible reasons why this shouldn't be such a big deal -- maybe you should read a little more about what happened. Because, the people who are more closely associated with this are using much harsher terms than you seem to think applies.

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  4. Who is surprised by this? by Message · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With the ban on texting and cell phone use with out a handsfree device for public transportation and the trucking industry, who finds this surprising? I'm only surprised that this wasn't already banned.

  5. Boredom by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't modern airliners basically fly themselves once they're at cruising altitude? What are these pilots supposed to do, stare at the unchanging instruments for hours until their eyes glaze over and they pass out? Checking every gauge on the instrument panel every 5 seconds for 8 hours during a transoceanic flight might sound exciting to most of us, but I bet it isn't as great as it's cracked up to be.

    1. Re:Boredom by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2, Funny

      The pilot's job is the feed the dog. The dog's job is to stop the pilot from touching the controls.

    2. Re:Boredom by Arcaeris · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are correct. The plane largely takes care of itself, except for emergency situations. These new rules will create a lot of very bored pilots.

      We're already quite a step up from the days of porn magazines littering passenger aircraft cockpits. Now you can't even have digital porn either.

    3. Re:Boredom by DriedClexler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. This idea is superficially appealing, but doesn't recognize the reality of what a lot of modern piloting is like. It reeks of being an overreaction to the recent -- but extremely rare -- incident of pilots being so caught up in a distraction that they overshot their destination. This was an isolated incident of irresponsible -- and PAIRED -- pilots, who turned off many of the countermeasures that are supposed to prevent such a disconnect.

      I am not a pilot, but realistically, I would think that pilots need to keep their minds engaged, even if it's not something related to flying the aircraft itself. It seems more harmful to *force* them to be bored, increasing the probability of e.g. falling asleep or "zoning out".

      I can't accept that this was a reasoned decision by intelligent, safety-oriented professionals, rather than a directive from politicians above.

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    4. Re:Boredom by vlm · · Score: 2, Informative

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't modern airliners basically fly themselves once they're at cruising altitude?

      Well, if by that, you mean the pilots don't need to flap their arms like wings, yes, correct.

      I never did the ATP thing, but talked to a lot of instructors, etc. A friend of mine did the ATP thing for awhile, but I never asked him much about it. In practice, you spend most of your time balancing and prioritizing four tasks in addition to flying the plane.

      1) There is no such thing as a flawless plane. Something is always acting up. That's why you have triple/quad redundancy on everything. Every flight you get to write up a report for the mechanics ranging from "paint scuffed on wall behind coffee maker" all the way up to "excessive smoke from engine #2". Also you get the joyous task of baby sitting all currently unfixed problems. Is, in fact, the fridge temperature steadily 3 degree too high, or is it increasing, decreasing, what? Exactly how much cabin air leakage is acceptable? So, side job #1, aircraft nurse.

      2) Your bosses, ATC and HQ, love status updates. Basically your two bosses like to say hi. Often. They just wonder where you are, hows it going, whats new dude, why aren't you working harder, etc. Often HQ will ask you to do non-pilot tasks while you're flying; dude could you go over that new laptop driven timesheet application with your coworker in your immense spare time? Over water you talk somewhat more often just in case you fall out of the sky. Over land, you'll get constantly rerouted by ATC. ATC likes you to switch frequencies all the time. So job #2 get bossed around.

      3) Fight the power. Believe it or not, weather changes. Those thunderstorms move all over, avoid them. Icing levels? Always changing. Winds shift. Wind shear.. shears. Meanwhile, your plane at your load of fuel and cargo is most efficient at this temperature when flying at 350 knots indicated and flight level 350, but ATC wants you to temporarily reroute to a different alt and speed. And you'll have to bug them to adjust back, and figure out a plan to make up for lost time. Meanwhile the boss wants you to arrive on time, ATC be damned, and also burn less of that expensive fuel, and while you're taking requests, how about magically making all the turbulence go away. That's what I mean by "fight the power" its you, maybe with a copilot buddy, against the whole freaking world. Once in a while, you get a smooth blue sky flight in empty skies and everything is on time and nothing unplanned happens, but only once in a while...

      4) Customer service. The passenger in seat 54 is an arrogant jack*ss do I have permission to throw him out the escape hatch? Passenger 23 is irate because last time he flew, the other airline lost his baggage and wants to know what you're going to do about that. Passenger 87 says his lunch is no good and wants a refund. Usually the attendants take care of most of this, unless its escalated, in which case you step in the middle of a bad situation. Kind of like a cop at a domestic disturbance call.

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    5. Re:Boredom by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      What are these pilots supposed to do, stare at the unchanging instruments for hours until their eyes glaze over and they pass out?

      Sexual experimentation.

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  6. Not a lot to do on many flights... by PatHMV · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look, for most flights, there's just not a lot to do in between take-off and landing. What are the pilot and co-pilot supposed to do on long flights, where the auto-pilot is doing everything for several long hours, just sit there and stare into space? I'd rather they be keeping their minds awake and alert by playing a video game than getting bored and dozing off. What's next, will they ban reading and talking to each other in flight, too? I'm all for regulations about what they can and can't do just before, during, and after take-off and landing, but this categorical ban seems like good politics but bad policy.

  7. Re:Check Facebook? by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

    They use one of those Pringles can antennae, except instead of a Pringles can they use the fuselage of the aircraft. It's not difficult, the trick is attaching your laptop to the outer metal skin of the airplane. You can do it yourself, you just need to take a power drill or something of that nature on to the plane...don't worry, just explain to the security guys what it's for, they'll be okay with it.

  8. Counter-intuitive results by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many of us have been berated for doodling while listening to a lecture in class? It's something that's oft criticized, and yet recent evidence has shown that doodling helps us pay attention by managing boredom. This counter-intuitive result makes it clear that what's really going on isn't always obvious.

    I'm not going so far as to say that dickering on a netbook is a good idea when flying a commercial aircraft, but I will say that we should do some kind of study of the real effects of such "distractions" on real-world metrics like accident history, etc. We may well find that "distractions" result in better-qualified pilots remaining on the job rather than moving on elsewhere, and a subsequently reduced accident rate, even if individual pilot performance is somewhat reduced.

    While phrases like "900,000 pound aircraft at 400 MPH" sound dramatic, the truth is that the aircraft are almost universally on auto-pilot, are flying somewhere above 30,000 feet, and are being monitored by RADAR at all times, so that any close calls cause planes to be diverted. And a "close call" is anything under 3 MILES of horizontal separation, and 1000 feet of vertical separation, so we aren't talking about a situation where you would even SEE the other aircraft without knowing exactly what direction to look for it.

    Statistically speaking, it's safer to fly on a commercial airliner than it is to VISIT a family member in a hospital!

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  9. It's SO boring! by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am currently doing flight training to a commercial pilot level. One of the things I do as a skills practice is fly on MS Flight Simulator using the VATSIM (Virtual Air Traffic Simulation) network - http://www.vatsim.net/ - and I routinely fly transoceanic flights. We fly with real airline callsigns, following real aircraft routes and timetables. The instrumentation and controls are (for the most part) the same as the real thing. The Flight Management Computers in the simulated planes are exactly the same as the real thing. If you have good equipment, the hands-on controls are almost the same. It's a fun way to pass the time and keep skills up to date...BUT:

    It's so boring! Here is an example of what I look at for 9 hours without touching anything: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14584559@N03/4502059275/

    When you've got 9+ hours of looking at nothing, and you only have to make radio contact once an hour (North Atlantic Track position reports) there is actually nothing to do. At most, you scan the instruments every couple minutes. Even on the flight sim, I usually resort to what we call "In-flight Movies" which is essentially pull up Hulu and watch something until we next have to change the aircraft controls, which is usually when leaving land or making landfall on the other side.

    You have a cruising altitude which is held by a computer, and a heading which follows a little line on your on-board GPS, and a speed which is usually also controlled by a computer(or if not, it's setting a lever to a certain position and leaving it there). There is literally NOTHING for the pilot to do if they can't have some sort of distraction. Some real-world pilots I have flown with read a newspaper or magazine, some play with a Game Boy, DS, PSP, etc Some get up and walk through the passenger cabin just like a "How are you, how's it going?" sort of thing. Almost like a chef in a restaurant would come out to the dining area and ask how people's food is.

    On top of the endless boredom, they don't get paid nearly enough. Pilots have one of the lowest returns on their education costs of any profession. Throw in the fact that their skills are there to protect hundreds of lives at a time, and you'd think they would be well-paid.

    Making regulations that prohibit them from minor distractions in the course of this endless boredom will most likely lead to highly detrimental results. I would not be surprised to see that there were more incidents with pilots falling asleep than previously as these regulations begin to take effect.

    Very disappointing, FAA. Maybe you could instead start regulating things that jack up travel prices, waste fuel, and cause extreme delays, like airlines selling more flights in and out of airports than the runways can physically accommodate in a given amount of time. Or like the stupid TSA requirements that we are subjected to as passengers on commercial airlines.

    The airlines are failing, and it's their own damn fault. Unnecessary regulation like this is a waste of taxpayers' time and money, and pushes prospective customers and employees away from the industry.

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  10. Want your pilots to focus? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ban the auto-pilot. Problem solved!

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  11. I can't get behind that... needs something else by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's bad enough being a passenger on lengthy flights. Being a pilot and making those trips over and over and over again? There has to be a way to allow the brain to relax at certain times. Studies have shown that 20 minutes is the optimal amount of time for class room lessons because after that, the mind tends to start drifting and losing focus. If this is true, then it is likely that a similar situation occurs for truck drivers and airline pilots. If a pilot's mind is going to drift while doing something, I'd rather it not be while watching controls and dials. There should be other protocols and procedures at play instead of simply demanding super-human focus and concentration of commercial pilots.

  12. Solving the wrong problem... by jbwolfe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A quick review of the replies here suggests that most are unconcerned with distractions in the cockpit. I'm impressed that everyone has such a calm disposition about this matter. What happened with Northwest in MSP was the first time that I know of where a crew lost contact with ATC and overflew a destination because they were distracted and not because of being having fallen asleep. There are several incidents where crews, as a result of fatigue, simply fell asleep. But becoming distracted in the cockpit won't be solved by banning PDA,'s, laptops and such. IMO, existing policies are sufficient and need no adjustments. What does need fixing is the aircraft. The FAA should mandate pilot response equipment on all aircraft in Part 121 (scheduled air carrier) operations. This equipment alerts the crew if a specified amount of time has elapsed with no crew interaction, and escalates in intensity from an alert to a caution to a warning. Improving ground to cockpit communication would also help.

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  13. Re:pilots in deep coma by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Indeed. For a pilot to stop responding but not change his squawk to 7600 (or 7500...) screams "pilots in trouble!"

    7500 - Unlawful Interference (ie, hijack)
    7600 - Communications failure
    7700 - Emergency

    (some other interesting ones)
    0000 - military intercept code (apparently used with drones)
    7777 - military interception (ie, possibly supersonic with weapons hot)

    some more here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transponder_(aviation)#Routine_codes

    (because I know you get curious :P)

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  14. Re:airliner cockpit boredom by D+Ninja · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least if one of them's banging the steward/ess, it means that the other one's free to fly the plane.

    You obviously don't have a good enough imagination...