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NASA's Space Balloon Smashes Car In Australia

Humunculus writes "Of more worldly issues, NASA's latest multimillion-dollar stratosphere-bound balloon launch has gone horribly wrong and crashed into a car, turning it over and narrowly missing two elderly people who were observing the launch. The payload fared worse, reportedly being smashed into a 'thousand pieces.'"

174 comments

  1. First by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    First splat

    1. Re:First by twistedsymphony · · Score: 5, Funny

      The director of the Balloon Launching Centre, Professor Ravi Sood, says no one was hurt.
      But he says the scientists involved in the NASA-sponsored project are crushed.

      Rather harsh punishment don't you think?

    2. Re:First by MoeDumb · · Score: 0

      Rumour has it the car belonged to balloon boy's parents who were there to get tips.

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  2. humm? by Tei · · Score: 0

    what is the probability of a car to hitting something from space?

    Is not like the surface of the earth is covered in cars. It can be intentional.

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    1. Re:humm? by chalkyj · · Score: 5, Informative

      Quite high if you had a car parked next to the launch rig. Which is what happened. If you bothered to click the link.

    2. Re:humm? by jplopez · · Score: 1, Informative

      You mean that link is really clickable?

    3. Re:humm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Slashdot posts link to articles?

      Why didn't someone tell me this earlier?

      because you're the kind of fuckin' idiot who hijacks conversations by asking dumb questions that well-meaning but not-so-bright people waste time answering, creating thread after thread of redundant posts (usually modded Insightful for some reason) that any intelligent reader has to sort through before getting to read any actual conversation. like when you ask something that you'd know the answer to if you read the fucking article, or sometimes even the fucking summary, and some big-heart-but-little-brain person answers your question instead of telling you to stop being so damned lazy.

      you might have a really high IQ but if you need other people to find, read, and process your information for you, then you're still a moron

    4. Re:humm? by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Wait. What was NASA doing in Australia??

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    5. Re:humm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Chasing after their balloon.

    6. Re:humm? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Looking for Funding?

      DUSA == Down Under Space Administration And Launched a Doozey...

      - Dan.

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    7. Re:humm? by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      Nobody tries to fail, they only fail to try...

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    8. Re:humm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      National Australia Space Agency

    9. Re:humm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait. What was NASA doing in Australia??

      I believe NASA built a site near Alice Springs for tracking manned space flight in the 1960's.

      From Wikipedia:
      "Pine Gap" is the commonly used name for a satellite tracking station at 234756S 1334413E / 23.799S 133.737E / -23.799; 133.737, some 18 kilometres (11 mi) south-west of the town of Alice Springs in the centre of Australia which is operated by both Australia and the United States. It consists of a large computer complex with eight radomes protecting antennas and has over 800 employees. It is officially called the Joint Defence Space Research Facility.

    10. Re:humm? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      NASA's latest multimillion-dollar stratosphere-bound balloon launch has gone horribly wrong and crashed into a car,

      ... that's just what they want you to think ...

      In other news, the White House announced that President Obama has determined to end NASAs dependence on new-fangled technology like balloons, and that they will instead be funding research into the next generation of proven technologies - ballistas and confirmed the existence of the here-to-fore rumoured Project SlingShot.

      "With advancements in synthetic materials, we really believe that Project SlingShot has a chance to leapfrog ahead of the timetable we had in place with Project LeapFrog."

    11. Re:humm? by Iron+Condor · · Score: 1

      NASA routinely flies stratospheric balloon craft from a variety of locations in the world, chosen for various reasons. From northern Canada to the Antarctic.

      Google "NSBF" or "CSBF" (national scientific ballooning facility).

      All that said, these facilities can/do launch payloads manufactured by anybody who can afford a launch - the payload may or may not be built by a University working with money that may or may not have come from NASA originally.

      Personally I would assume that this particular payload was NOT NASA funded for the simple reason that none of the various news outlets is willing to name a sponsor. The best I can find anywhere is that the instrument was built and operated by UC Berkeley researchers, but there's a conspicuous absence of any kind of information of what, exactly, was destroyed - what the instrument was called, for example, what it was supposed to measure up there, who the PI was (that would be the obvious person to interview, of course, not some bystander bumpkins) and all those bits of information that would be freely flowing if this was a purely university/research payload.

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    12. Re:humm? by geogob · · Score: 1

      There are actually very few locations in the world suitable for this kind of launches. It requires special conditions and infrastructure. NASA launches from most of these sites. They share these launch locations with other organizations like CNES (France). Considering the low number of launch sites, it's only normal that NASA launches from as many of them as possible for their studies.

    13. Re:humm? by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      NASA has plenty of bases/facilities in Australia. Is this really surprising considering Australia is well-placed for this kind of activity and is one of the US' closest allies (and by far the most significant ally in the southern hemisphere)? Actually there's a large NASA facility not more than 30 minutes drive from my house (in Australia) and it's quite an interesting place to visit :) Has a nice big sign at the entrance with several US and Australian flags flying together.

      Tidbit: the original footage of Neil Armstrong taking his first steps on the moon were received by an Australian tracking station (jointly operated with NASA) then beamed back live to the US? (Not that there was any particular reason for this other than Australia being in the correct position 'facing' the moon at the time). Sadly the site has been leveled now and only the concrete foundations remain - such a shame considering there wouldn't be a person alive not familiar with the signal received at that place.

    14. Re:humm? by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Link to the NASA complex near my house: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_Deep_Space_Communication_Complex

      This is not the only one obviously, but it's a fairly important one, since it is in charge of communications with all deep space vehicles (Mars Rovers, Pioneers, Voyagers, New Horizons etc) for the period of the day when the other side of the world is pointing the wrong way ;)

    15. Re:humm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody tries to fail, they only fail to try...

      If one tries to fail and succeeds, is that considered a success or a failure?

    16. Re:humm? by aqk · · Score: 0

      not like the surface of the earth is covered in cars. It can be intentional.

      It was a Toyota.
      It needed to be stopped.

      Thank you NASA, from a grateful public.

  3. No one was hurt? by AnonymousClown · · Score: 4, Funny

    The director of the Balloon Launching Centre, Professor Ravi Sood, says no one was hurt. But he says the scientists involved in the NASA-sponsored project are crushed.

    It says right there, some NASA scientists were crushed in the accident.

    I think the old couple needs to sue, sell chunks of their car on eBay, and retire rich!

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    1. Re:No one was hurt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "crushed" in this case is just a figure of speech; they were saddened / disappointed, not physically crushed.

    2. Re:No one was hurt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "crushed" in this case is just a figure of speech; they were saddened / disappointed, not physically crushed.

      Q. How many slashdot pedants does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
      A. You can't screw in a lightbulb. It's too small! Two people would never fit in there and have enough room to move.

    3. Re:No one was hurt? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't think slashdot pedants do much screwing of the squelchy kind anyway.

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  4. NASA forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    that Australia is upside down

    1. Re:NASA forgot by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      All they had to do was let go. I tell you, cycle commuting in Melbourne ain't easy. At least I can ride south in the morning on my way to work.

    2. Re:NASA forgot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they didn't account for the imperial/metric conversion

  5. "Hey! Lets play.." by Bananatree3 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "whack-a-car! We're rollin' in taxpayer's money already. We might as well have some fun..." - Anonymous NASA scientist

    1. Re:"Hey! Lets play.." by sadness203 · · Score: 1

      I would rather accuse Bloon Tower Defense - Real Life edition

  6. Man Bites Dog by eflester · · Score: 0

    That was by far the most fascinating headline I've seen on Slashdot in many a day.

    1. Re:Man Bites Dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "space balloon SMASH!"
      Don't make space balloon angry. You wouldn't like it when it's angry...

  7. In related news... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

    The lead baloon engineer, known for his cocky attitude and general air of superiority, had his ego severely deflated.

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    1. Re:In related news... by bwcarty · · Score: 5, Funny

      The lead baloon engineer....

      Why was he trying to engineer a lead balloon? Didn't he watch that episode of MythBusters?

    2. Re:In related news... by corbettw · · Score: 2, Funny

      lead baloon

      I think I figured out why the launch failed.

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    3. Re:In related news... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2, Informative

      That episode hasn't been shown in Australia yet.

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    4. Re:In related news... by buback · · Score: 1

      I think it was a follow on project after the success of the lead zeppelin experiment.

    5. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a Led Zepplin.

    6. Re:In related news... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      That joke went over like a lead... uh, nevermind!

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    7. Re:In related news... by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 1

      At least you recognized it as a joke...

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    8. Re:In related news... by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I always thought it was made by Discovery Channel. Now you've taken up my slot for learning something today.

    9. Re:In related news... by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Hehe you can tell sometimes too. Sometimes you hear a cameraman or production person off-camera speaking and they have an Australian accent. Not that Australians are that rare in California, but there seems to be quite a few 'expert people' that they interview/go and get parts from/etc that are Australian too from what I've noticed ...

  8. CRIKEY MATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Throw another balloon on the barbie before the dingo eats my payload. Ha ha!

    I think we should respond to this by drinking Fosters. We should also honor our ancestors by stealing from tourists.

    Australia is #!!

    1. Re:CRIKEY MATE by tumutbound · · Score: 4, Funny

      I find this response insulting. Australians do not drink Fosters! It's for export only. Nothing is too bad for the rest of the world.

    2. Re:CRIKEY MATE by westcoast+philly · · Score: 1

      Australia is number exclaimation point? Or rather.. Australia is number Exclaimation Point! ... ?

    3. Re:CRIKEY MATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I find this response insulting.
      Australians do not drink Fosters!

      It's for export only. Nothing is too bad for the rest of the world.

      Not everyone has an Australians refined taste for wood alcohol. Most can't tell which car's radiator was used in producing the alcohol or how many hours old it is.

    4. Re:CRIKEY MATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [wise voice]Look below for the true character, grasshopper.[/wise voice]

    5. Re:CRIKEY MATE by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      It is rather funny actually how well Fosters is known outside of Australia, whereas it's virtually nowhere to be seen within Australia. That 'export quality' tag on the cans is Australia's biggest in-joke...

    6. Re:CRIKEY MATE by LifesRoadie · · Score: 1

      we only drink real beer like Coopers. Fosters is for Poms.

    7. Re:CRIKEY MATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find this response insulting.
      Australians do not drink Fosters!

      It's for export only. Nothing is too bad for the rest of the world.

      That's Right! Only XXXX for us Aussies!

  9. could someone translate from australian for me? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    He said the balloon was then seen lying partially-inflated above a paddock "like a white Uluru".

    what's a paddock?

    and what is with the reference to an albino version of a star trek character?

    i know you australians typically speak german like your neighbors to the north, but if you are going to write a story in the american language, try to more precise

    thanks

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    1. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by rotide · · Score: 1

      "try to more precise" indeed! We need real American language here. Rife with typo's, missing words and grammatical errors! We just simply can't have any Aussie references/words/slang, it's too confusing...

    2. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Gates82 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Dictionary.com

      Paddock
      3. Australian: any enclosed field or pasture

      I also think you have Australia confused with Austria.

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    3. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Rife with typo's

      Ah, the ireny.

    4. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by rotide · · Score: 1

      Hay, now thats the sprit!

    5. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Austria was before WW2 and it was changed to Australia afterwards, because of trademarks, I think.

    6. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So 'sup, homeboy. Big ol' OG pop-a-bear up in this mofo, yo!

    7. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Dictionary.com

      Joke
      7. to say something in fun or teasing rather than in earnest; be facetious: He didn't really mean it, he was only joking.

    8. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by static416 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Exactly. I can't understand any of this:

      "That balloon was as large as the Melbourne Cricket Ground when fully inflated, carried a two-tonne payload and travelled in the outer edge of the atmosphere at 50 metres per second."

      They should know that in the US the standard units of measurement are football fields for length or area, elephants for mass, lightning strikes for probability, NASCARs for speed, DVDs for data, and swimming pools for volume.

      "Outer edge of the atmosphere"? How many Empire State Buildings up is that?

    9. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Dishevel · · Score: 3, Funny
      Data is described in LOC.

      Please turn in your card at the door.

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    10. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

      Ali Larter has a sister? Cool!

    11. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      Hey, how do you type that weird O with the line across it?

    12. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      I've got an electronic doodad that destroys typos via tuned harmonic resonance. It can also see through walls.

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    13. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      That's not American, that's Tweet.

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    14. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I remember that Simpsons episode. :)

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    15. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      That's just silly. It's a matter of scale. Reference units are used within a few powers of ten.

      Data: Books -- DVDs -- LOCs
      Power: Horsepower -- Households -- POOTs (Power Output of Togo)
      Area: Pinhead -- Football fields -- State of Delaware -- State of Texas -- Nothing's bigger than Texas
      Volume: Volkswagens -- Buses -- Olympic swimming pools -- Britney Spear's Vagina

      Length/height/width: Human hair -- Volkswagens laid end-to-end -- buses laid end-to-end -- Empire State Buildings

      There are more, but my American fingers are tired from all this typing, so I need to re-energize myself with a double cheeseburger and fries.

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    16. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      you forgot

      Energy ~= Burning LOCs

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    17. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      You need an Australian keyboard. One of those that also has reverse “b”s (d).

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    18. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by ifdef · · Score: 1

      Okay, I can understand measuring amount of data by comparing it to the data in a book or a DVD, but Lines Of Code?

    19. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Sure. Uluru is Ayer's Rock

      A Paddock is an enclosed area

      Remember: Google is your friend.

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    20. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its called e

    21. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be careful with these kinds of insults... right about now I'd say you're running a 74 lightning bolts chance of being forced to carry a 2 elephants wooden cross for 32 football fields. Don't dare walk slower than 2 Nph (NASCARs per hour) or exhale more than 1.5 swimming pools of carbon dioxide, or we'll hang you on said cross while recording 6 DVDs of video to mail back to your family.

    22. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by yo303 · · Score: 1

      Data is described in LOC.

      Please turn in your card at the door.

      Yes. And we have recently seen that you get about 2000 LOCs into a Catholic Church of data.

      http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/04/28/1814221/Vatican-Chooses-Open-FITS-Image-Format

    23. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 1

      Uluru is the aboriginal name for Ayers Rock.

      A Paddock is a fenced enclosure for animals usually Horses, what yanks call a corral.

    24. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libraries of Congress, not Lines of Code.

    25. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/tweet/twit.

      Get it right.

    26. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      >Exactly. I can't understand any of this:

      >"That balloon was as large as the Melbourne Cricket Ground when fully inflated..."

      What I can't understand is how did they inflate Melbourne Cricket Ground?

    27. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      I know you're posting in jest :) But just so someone can "whoosh" me:

      I'm pretty sure paddock is not slang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paddock - it may have a somewhat different meaning in Australia but it's a standard English word nonetheless.

      And I'm pretty sure most people would also be familiar with Uluru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uluru

    28. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by lennier · · Score: 1

      You're terrible, Muriel.

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    29. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by lennier · · Score: 1

      I didn't even know the Melbourn Cricket Ground was inflatable!

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    30. Re:could someone translate from australian for me? by lennier · · Score: 1

      what's a paddock?

      It's what you plug your Apple tablet into.

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  10. Is it OK to laugh? by Slash.Poop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know we lost, what I assume is, millions. (Probably $150 per screw) Someone's car got smashed. We almost killed people. We probably set the program back X amount of time. X amount of time is going to cost, what I assume is, millions. But still...

    We laugh at Fail Blog so...can't we laugh at this a little? Or maybe at least chuckle?

    1. Re:Is it OK to laugh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The better question is why were there people standing in the path of destruction to begin with? 1 measly second into the video, it's clear that the wind is blowing towards the exact direction these people are casually hanging out on the road. If something was going to go wrong, it is 100% obvious that the equipment would have been dragged in that direction. Forgot incompetence or mistakes of the physical launch itself... why the hell were casual observers allowed to be so close? Utter stupidity if you ask me.

  11. massive miscalculation by Katchu · · Score: 3, Informative

    After watching the video, I can't help but think there was a massive miscalculation of the lift. And ignorance of real launch conditions, consisting of a mild breeze.

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    1. Re:massive miscalculation by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Actually, it looked to me like the miscalculation involved the strength of the crane cable.

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    2. Re:massive miscalculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's really time to make sure NASA watches Mythbusters.

      If there's anything that show has taught us is that tensile strength estimates on cables are completely bullshit under actual strain conditions... Because actual strain conditions aren't a smooth evenly metered pull and due to sudden stretching of the cable might result in forces of many times the actual estimated load.

    3. Re:massive miscalculation by Amouth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      which begs the question.. why the hell where they lifting a partially inflated balloon's payload with a damn crane???

      a crane to get it off the truck - Yes..

      tie downs while inflating - Yes...

      lifting up 2 tons with a crane while inflating an attached high alt balloon??? who thought that was a good idea?? and what was the reasoning for it??

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    4. Re:massive miscalculation by hornblower65 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The answer lies in the fact that your assumption is wrong. The vehicle is not used as a conventional crane.

      In order to stop the payload swinging like a pendulum into the ground (as we just saw), you need the payload to be right underneath the balloon when you release it. There is usually some amount of wind, even if very slight, and so to satisfy the first condition, you have to have a vehicle at the bottom to drive the payload along at the same vector as the wind, right underneath the balloon which is also moving along with the wind. When you achieve this, it is safe to let go, as the resultant force on the payload should be purely vertically up.

      In this case, it was clearly a premature release. You can see the vehicle moving, but it looks like the wind conditions were midjudged, resulting in the crane vehicle having to make a maneuver that over-strained the release mechanism, forcing it to give. As expected, given the very large off-vertical angle between payload and balloon, it crashed straight into the ground.

      The documentary 'BLAST!', about a very similar project, is worth watching if you can. The trailer [1] has enough footage for you to see a launch more clearly. Launching these things is not easy, as you can tell.

      [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebJglJaMBnA

      As an asside: yes, I'm new here, but why do people declare things so confidently when it's quite clear they don't have even the vaguest comprehension? It's baffling. There should be some kind of cost function attached to it.

    5. Re:massive miscalculation by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i understand your point - but by my gauge that balloon wasn't ready for launch..

      while i don't launch balloons - if that is the way you wanted to do it.. would it not make it easier and safer to secure it to a flatbed truck and drive it under the balloon then release then having a crane hold it??

      by nature a crane's arm is going to be directly above the load meaning that if the load was also directly under the balloon (required for a non off-vertical angle launch) that the crane's arm and tether are going to be competing for the same space and risk getting tangled.. or having the load hit the arm once it starts to rise?

      sorry if i seem under you eyes to not "... have even the vaguest comprehension ..." but post began with a question.. one that seemed to be aimed a an action taken that was one that enabled the accident to happen..

      sorry but when doing root cause analysis - some times it helps to have someone who isn't tunnel visioned to ask obvious questions.

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    6. Re:massive miscalculation by fatboy · · Score: 1

      That is the typical launch configuration. It is elevated so that when it is released, it does not drag the ground due to topography and lateral winds. Obviously the winds were too high. I suspect there was a malfunction, because I doubt anyone would think it would be a good idea to launch in winds that high. BTW, the balloon is only partially inflated because as it rises, the balloon envelope expands. (Due to lower atmospheric pressure and solar heating of the He) That balloon had enough lift. The winds were too high.

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    7. Re:massive miscalculation by CraigParticle · · Score: 1

      while i don't launch balloons - if that is the way you wanted to do it.. would it not make it easier and safer to secure it to a flatbed truck and drive it under the balloon then release then having a crane hold it??

      The "crane" is needed to hold the payload still until the balloon ascends to pull the flight train and the gondola payload vertical. The tension in the flight train at balloon release pulls the payload horizontally, fairly hard. The flight train is typically 1000 feet long! While you could secure the payload to a truck, gondolas aren't generally designed to handle transverse loads at the load point. You really don't want them to, either; there's often (comparatively delicate) momentum transfer units at the load point that allow accurate pointing of telescopes once at float altitude (~125,000 feet, or ~35 km). And once you build a structure to take the pressure off the gondola load point, you're generally back to a crane design again.

      You can see pictures and movies of our experiment's launch last year from Fort Sumner, NM. The StratoCat site has some additional details about this flight and many others, including ours.

      Catastrophic launches like this are really rare -- the CSBF team really do a fantastic job. It's really had to tell exactly what happened here, though fairly high winds were a complicating factor. It's very lucky for everyone involved that no one got hurt.

      Condolences to the science team, and best wishes that they can pick up the pieces and fly again...

    8. Re:massive miscalculation by fuzzywig · · Score: 1

      ...why do people declare things so confidently when it's quite clear they don't have even the vaguest comprehension?

      Ah my friend, welcome to slashdot, where geeks have been making authoritative statements on subjects they know next to nothing about since 1997.

      :)

  12. Rover! by schmidt349 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why did you think a big balloon would stop people?

    1. Re:Rover! by natehoy · · Score: 1

      That was it, the couple must have escaped from The Village.

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  13. Improbability Drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I asked my spaceship to compute the probability of this happening and the Improbability Drive (TM) kicked in, launching me to the restaurant at the end of the Universe.

  14. Who authorized go on launch? by Ken+D · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems in the very beginning of the clip that there was not enough upward force on the cable for a proper lift off. The launch release caused the payload to immediately swing like a pendulum and there was not enough launch height for the amount of vertical lift being applied to avoid the payload swinging into the ground.

    I'm assuming that the actual near vertical crash was due to some kind of abort procedure initiated as a result of the payload being dragged across the ground because there was an (off screen) catastrophic balloon failure at that point.

    1. Re:Who authorized go on launch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't think that was a planned release, it seems more like an accident.

      It looks as if the crane was rotating when the accident happened. The force of the balloon and the rotation of the crane seemed to have put a torque on the apparatus that was holding the rig in place. The apparatus snapped, releasing the rig and hijinx ensued.

      Also, never part downwind of space balloon launches.

    2. Re:Who authorized go on launch? by Sunrun · · Score: 1

      Seconded and mod up plz. This definitely appeared to be a pre-launch tethering failure.

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    3. Re:Who authorized go on launch? by Eclectic+Engineer · · Score: 1

      The video zoomed in on the crane, so it's hard to tell, but I wonder if the recovery chute inflated and yanked it off the crane. That, or it deployed after the initial failure, but it becomes visible and semi-inflated later. At the least, I'd guess it was the chute that did the dragging rather than the balloon itself.

    4. Re:Who authorized go on launch? by pz · · Score: 1

      It seems in the very beginning of the clip that there was not enough upward force on the cable for a proper lift off. The launch release caused the payload to immediately swing like a pendulum and there was not enough launch height for the amount of vertical lift being applied to avoid the payload swinging into the ground.

      I'm assuming that the actual near vertical crash was due to some kind of abort procedure initiated as a result of the payload being dragged across the ground because there was an (off screen) catastrophic balloon failure at that point.

      Or too much horizontal force? The balloon seemed quite a ways downrange. I wonder if they shot up a tracer rocket (ie, a model-rocket sized projectile that left a visible exhaust trail) to assess upper level winds?

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    5. Re:Who authorized go on launch? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      No, I don't think so. You'll notice that the drogue lines on the 'chute are fairly parallel right up until the payload dropped to its final position, indicating that it did not open.

      If you look at the video just prior to them zooming in on the crane, you can see the balloon is quite high and off to the side, and the chute is un-inflated. The payload fell off the crane, so it was supported solely by the balloon. So, like a pendulum it started to swing. Once disaster struck an abort was declared, the chute was released from the balloon, and the balloon was deflated. Since the balloon seemed unable to lift the payload, my guess is that they were still filling it with helium at the time.

      Actually, I just had another look at the video in full screen mode. As they zoom in, you can see that the crane is actually driving along, not simply pivoting on its base. They could have hit a bump, causing the payload to bounce off the hook.

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    6. Re:Who authorized go on launch? by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 1

      Also, never fart downwind of space balloon launches.

      just fixed that for you...

  15. oh yeah? what have you aussie's given the world? by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

    freud, schwarzenegger, mozart, schrodinger...

    ok, that's respectable

    respect to you australians then

    but you really should stick with your native german language

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  16. Rover by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australian Couple: "What was that?"
    NASA: "That would be telling."

  17. Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by V!NCENT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions?

    Or is the R&D costing millions and does this thing itself cost a lot less to reproduce?

    Just a minor question, of course...

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    1. Re:Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Launches are risky, ans sometime something goes wrong. It wasn't a piece of junk. The crane they where using seems to be woefully inadequate. Plus there was as sudden and unexpected wind change.

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    2. Re:Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'piece of junk' would have been paid for by the specific research institutes/universities involved. NASA just provide the balloon bit from which they can dangle their experiment.

    3. Re:Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's not. According to other sources of this story this wasn't a NASA project.

    4. Re:Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

      The payload is the expensive part. The folks in the office next to mine are building a similar telescope for TeraHertz observations. The screws don't cost $150 each as an earlier commenter suggested, but the TeraHertz components are rather pricey, since the small market for that stuff results in one-digit serial numbers. And it uses liquid helium to cool the receiver. And they aren't building it sturdily enough to handle being dragged across parked cars! (They may change their design after watching the video...)

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    5. Re:Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by CraigParticle · · Score: 1

      (They may change their design after watching the video...)

      Indeed -- and I thought we had a hard landing on the test flight!

    6. Re:Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by Alamais · · Score: 1

      Paid by the institutes...which, for an astro mission, probably got the money from NSF or NASA grants.

    7. Re:Is this piece of junk costing NASA millions? by rabiddeity · · Score: 1

      Wait a sec... I think I recognize the background. Is that shot from inside Steward Mirror Lab?

  18. +1 for the Idiocracy by kenp2002 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I remember when NASA could sling shot a satellite 40,000+ miles looping around a planet 32 times, ricochet of an asteroid and drop a golf ball in a cup of coffee in the middle of Denver blindfolded with both hands behind their back.

    Now they can't remember to convert metric to imperial (and back again) and can't launch a ballon...

    Damn NASA used to be the best and the brightest. I worry if we'll be able to feed ourselves by the end of the year :P

    NASA's performance was once the measure of the USA's intellectual success... I'm worried... apparently more money on education doesn't = smarter people...

    I mean come on it's not rocke...errr wait...

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    1. Re:+1 for the Idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      More money on education? We've been cutting public education budgets (vs inflation), since Reagan.

      Maybe that's why we don't have smarter people.

    2. Re:+1 for the Idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not! Don't you get it, kids are stupid because budgets are too high! If we paid every teacher pennies and gave them a literal shoestring instead of a shoestring budget, they'd churn out all sorts of Einsteins.

    3. Re:+1 for the Idiocracy by brainboyz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NASA's performance was once the measure of the USA's intellectual success...

      Sadly, it still is.

    4. Re:+1 for the Idiocracy by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      In the 60's, the best minds used to actually *want* to work at NASA. But since the end of Apollo, it's basically become known more and more as a great place to go if you want low pay and a dead-end job. The great minds no longer want to work there. So all they get is mediocre bureaucrats looking for job security.

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    5. Re:+1 for the Idiocracy by Rumalo · · Score: 1

      NASA does research, it has employees and contractors who, for the most part, do their jobs well. There are successes, there are failures. There are those how are very good at what they do, and there are those that aren't (like anywhere else); however, to blindly dismiss all who work there as morons is to be thumbing your nose at something you don't understand. If you can do the job better, I invite you to go work for NASA, take your pay cut, and show the world how it is done. Those of us who work here do it because we want to make a difference, not because we sit on our butts to get a paycheck.

    6. Re:+1 for the Idiocracy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I remember when NASA could sling shot a satellite 40,000+ miles looping around a planet 32 times, ricochet of an asteroid and drop a golf ball in a cup of coffee in the middle of Denver blindfolded with both hands behind their back.
      Now they can't remember to convert metric to imperial (and back again) and can't launch a ballon...

      Do stop with your foolish rants. NASA (and everybody else in the business) has had numerous failures and setbacks. It's part of the business (you know, rocket science). Even today, all of those 'perfect' rockets have destruct devices and a Range Safety Officer that pushes the button if something goes wrong. Even today, we don't launch rockets in downtown Denver.

      This is news precisely because it didn't go to plan. These days you're hard pressed to hear of virtually any launch. Even the Shuttle - because failures are rare.

      So quit your ranting, eat your Wheaties and make damm sure you can convert from Imperial to Metric.

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    7. Re:+1 for the Idiocracy by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

      The par-for-the-course failures of old we not a result of blatant oversights for the most part. Failures and setback due to unforeseen issues and the unknown are one thing, the last 5 years... not so much. Now lets just pray that the Range Safety Officer isn't watching pr0n on his iPhone when he's supposed to be at the ready for that button push you mentioned.

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  19. How do you crash a balloon? by ChinggisK · · Score: 1

    How do you crash a balloon? I mean, don't you just fill it up with helium and let it go? Then it comes down slowly in a few days, right?

    Right?

    1. Re:How do you crash a balloon? by amoeba1911 · · Score: 1

      You would think it's pretty straight-forward to inflate a balloon and let it go, but apparently there's a way to screw that up too. Forget reaching other planets or even the moon, NASA can't even get a helium balloon off the ground.

    2. Re:How do you crash a balloon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you watch the video on the link, you'd see, and you wouldn't have to waste your time writing useless comments.

      Yes, I'm new here.

    3. Re:How do you crash a balloon? by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then it comes slowly in a few days and crashes into a car ;)
      That would be understandable.

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    4. Re:How do you crash a balloon? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      There is ALWAYS fucking risk. Shit sometimes goes wrong.

      Plus this was Australians... so you know~

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    5. Re:How do you crash a balloon? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          It's not too hard, if you make it complicated enough. :)

          They were trying to carry a heavy payload. To have enough energy to flip over a car, I'd have to assume it was very heavy.

          If you watch the included video (oh my gosh, like on the link), you'll see there was already a decent crosswind. The lines from the balloon to the payload were at a 45 degree angle. This was not a "calm" launch. The crane was rotating to the left for some reason. It appeared that the payload broke away from the crane. If you watch the movement of the crane, it continued turning to the left after the payload dropped.

          I'd suspect they hadn't put enough helium in the balloon yet, or the temperature and/or pressure conditions were different than originally calculated. I know they don't fully fill these balloons. They have to come to a happy medium where it will go up, but it won't overpressure and burst at the intended altitude.

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    6. Re:How do you crash a balloon? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          You know, that's what I was expecting when I first read the title. I assumed it was a balloon that had gone up, and when it came back down, it smacked into a car. That would have been more interesting. :) Imagine driving down a road in the middle of nowhere, and then suddenly your car is hit by a balloon. :)

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    7. Re:How do you crash a balloon? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      When the wind blows it sideways while you are still inflating it, it has a problem. The solution is to never inflate balloons when there is any chance of wind. I experienced this personally when I tried to hold back a hot-air balloon at he Tualitin Festival of Balloons that go hit by a wind -- turns out the weight of humans is completely ineffective at holding these back. They tie the basket to the chase vehicle with a heavy-duty tether before they begin inflation, and that is the only thing that stopped it. Yes, NASA should have tethered their payload to a good anchor.

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  20. Yes, but... by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    ...it blends !!!!!

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  21. To avoid insurance liability..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....I bet they claim the balloon is actually a crashed alien spaceship...

  22. Another hoax! by Jetrel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Was there a little boy in it? Is he OK??

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    1. Re:Another hoax! by dave420 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He was until a dingo got to him.

  23. Space Balloon? by Bugamn · · Score: 1

    Please assume it was an alien ship this time.

  24. Take me to your leader by boxxa · · Score: 1

    I think we just explained UFO sightings....

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  25. you're so ignorant of history by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

    austria before world war ii was known as the empire of austria-hungry

    this was solved by the invasion of turkey

    turkey is a delicious country, especially on thanksgiving day, which is the day turkey was able to remove the hungry part of the austro-hungryian empire

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    1. Re:you're so ignorant of history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      World War I shurely?

  26. Re:oh yeah? what have you aussie's given the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need to brush up a bit on your geography if you can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia.

  27. Old folks.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..manage to crash their cars into the strangest things.

  28. Paddock Damage = Escaped Raptors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He said the balloon was then seen lying partially-inflated above a paddock "like a white Uluru".

    what's a paddock?

    Paddocks are where they keep the Dinosaurs from Jurasic Park.

    My question is: Have the raptors escaped? It didn't take them long to get out during the power outage, so if the paddock itself is damaged, how far could they have come?

  29. How's my driving? Call 1-800-FUC-KYOU by Alsee · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you don't like the way I drive, stay the hell off the sidewalk.
    If you don't like the way I fly, keep your damn car the hell out of the field.

    P.S.
    He said the balloon was then seen lying partially-inflated above a paddock "like a white Uluru".

    What the hell is an Uluru?
    I guess it's something that kinda looks like a partially-inflated balloon over a paddock, except it's not white.

    Ah... yeah... something like that.

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    1. Re:How's my driving? Call 1-800-FUC-KYOU by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Don't want to get crushed by a weather balloon? Don't park you cars 25 feet away from the launch.

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    2. Re:How's my driving? Call 1-800-FUC-KYOU by Paracelcus · · Score: 1

      Look for my finger as you tailgate that elderly gentleman with the black fit-over sunglasses driving the old Hyundai at 25mph on i280.

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  30. lol by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    you compare a country to a misspelling of its name and you have the audacity to question my grasp on geography?

    put another shrimp on the barbie and go watch the sound of music kid, the part where crocodile dundee teaches julie andrew's eight kids how to sing

    learn something before you spout your ignorance, stupid child

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  31. Whoosh? by Pteraspidomorphi · · Score: 5, Funny

    It may be a bad day for balloon launches, but at least jokes seem to be flying right past some people.

    1. Re:Whoosh? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It may be a bad day for balloon launches, but at least jokes seem to be flying right past some people.

      Yup, unfortunately for NASA this story may yet balloon out of control or at least blown up out of proportion. Then again, I may just be full of hot air.

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    2. Re:Whoosh? by mortonda · · Score: 1

      Some people go ballistic when they miss the joke... they get so mad they look like they are about to pop...

    3. Re:Whoosh? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I think they're AIs.

      Just look at some of the posts on Slashdot...

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    4. Re:Whoosh? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      GP obviously doesn't work for NASA.

      And here I was thinking, if any government organization could lift a balloon with all the hot air they created, it would be NASA. I guess Obama's budget cuts had a much larger deflationary effect than anyone expected.

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    5. Re:Whoosh? by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I think they're AIs..

      I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the "I" part of "AI."

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    6. Re:Whoosh? by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Artificial Ignorance soon to replace the real thing. No, I don't mean Coca-Cola.

  32. that big game hunter was from south africa by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    where they speak a dialect of australian

    "clever girl..."

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  33. Conflicting articles. by Eevee · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the BBC, the equipment was not damaged.

    1. Re:Conflicting articles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's possible that although the support structures were completely destroyed, the scientific instrument package at the core of the payload was not damaged. Ob. car analogy: like when you total your car, but the crumple zones prevent you from totaling yourself.

  34. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Informative

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  35. Watch out! The Roo's got a gun! by rimcrazy · · Score: 1

    Crock Dundee must have been hiding near by.

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    1. Re:Watch out! The Roo's got a gun! by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Nah, all the roo's sold their guns in the buy back scheme, now they just glass their girlfriends in pubs.

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  36. Unfortunate but not that surprising by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

    Balloon launches are notoriously unreliable. You would think something this intrinsically simple would be pretty reliable, but a huge fraction of these types of launches go wrong. FAR less reliable than, say, a sounding rocket, which are typically 4-9's.

            I don't, however, see how they could have released it when they did. It was clear that the thing would swing in an arc into the ground from where they released it. Particularly with someone dead downwind.

  37. Tinfoil hat time? by TreyGeek · · Score: 1

    Was it really a NASA balloon? What about the bodies witnesses claimed to see around the crash site? Those were just anthropomorphic dummies, eh? Video of the crash you say? Well, they have video of Apollo landing on the moon too and that didn't happen! *Wonders how long until someone says this in a non-joking manner*

  38. Nelson Muntz by Eric+Wayte · · Score: 1

    Ha ha!

  39. Roswell, Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone find this interesting that it took place in Roswell, Australia?

  40. It's not a space balloon by uberjack · · Score: 1

    It's a UFO. Meanwhile, somewhere, Chris Carter's getting his notepad out.

  41. fairies by teac77 · · Score: 1

    "The payload fared worse, reportedly being smashed into a 'thousand pieces.'" and they all went skipping about, and that was the beginning of fairies. ... Australian fairies. O_o

  42. NASA finds a new revenue stream by PSaltyDS · · Score: 1
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  43. What a let down! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As previously stated, this is a real let down. I'm sure they are all feeling very deflated right now. k.

  44. Not NASA's Fault by organgtool · · Score: 1

    What the hell was Australia doing out in space?

  45. Not NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the AP story: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AUSTRALIA_SPACE_BALLOON_MISHAP?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT this wasn't a NASA effort, it was a research project run by Berkley and some Taiwanese universities.

  46. New Slogan by asdf7890 · · Score: 1

    NASA: Close encounters of the thud kind.

  47. It Could Have Been Worse... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    It could have rained also, (with apologies to Mel Brooks).

  48. Start from scratch by brianparkere · · Score: 1

    Oh no!! it took years to build this small instrument. Now they will have to start it from scratch. http://www.articlesbase.com/health-articles/force-factor-review-amp-free-trial-2113761.html

  49. It happens... by sugarmatic · · Score: 1

    The thought that scientific ballooning is necessarily easy is naive. The idea is to get cutting edge science at the edge of space for 1/10th to 1/20 the cost, 1/4 to 1/3 the time, and with cutting edge, often off-the-shelf technology rather than the retrograde schlock that is hardened/proven well enough for a stodgy satellite mission. The odds against success include:

    1. Ridiculously thin resources. Satellites are launched with the unfathomable overhead. The resources are often the first attempt by academics and engineers, including undergraduate and graduate talent, with little guidance but plenty of smarts.
    2. Difficult thermal environment. The thermal environment for a balloon is often more severe than for any satellite. The severe convective environment during ascent, the huge albedo and IR that is smaller for a satellite.
    3. Communication limits. There is very limited bandwidth for communication available with a "high speed" vhf link (while it lasts).
    4. Structural requirements- the com limitations mean that the gondola must survive a landing at perhaps 12mph vertically in a 30 mph crosswind on rocky terrain, perhaps after being dragged (some have been dragged hundreds of miles due to parachute problems) without ruining the pricey bits and preserving the precious stored data.

    All this for a fraction of what a firm that has suckled at the tit of high overhead, government funded enterprise could dream of doing, and in a fraction of the time.

    The two missions are not similar at all, and ballooning deserves a great deal of respect. The launch phase is very difficult, requiring timing, skill, and luck. Despite all these problems, the CSBF has something like a 92% success rate. A launch platform firm would cough nervously and excuse themselves from the room if one wanted this level of success.

    Best wishes to the Compton team in getting back in the air. I know our upcoming balloon mission will need all th happy thoughts we can get for our upcoming mission in the summer.

  50. feeling mighty low..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After reading this article I just feel crushed about the whole ballooning thing in general, but it doesn't surprise me either..... seems like every time I read something from down under same old storyline 'super intelligent aussies have air let out of egos once more' oh well.....

  51. Yes by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    In the name of all mathematicians everywhere I answer you: "Yes".

  52. More like you need degrees wannabe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have a degree in computer science or computer information systems? No, of course not: You're yet another dime-a-dozen slashdot wannabe computer expert (not, not minus those degrees slacker. You're no expert by any means).