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Apple To Shut Down Lala On May 31

dirk and a large number of other distressed readers let us know that Apple is shuttering Lala, the music service they bought last December, on May 31. "Apple will transfer any remaining money in a user's account to iTunes, and will credit users (via iTunes) for any web songs that were purchased. It's a real shame, as Lala was a much better music service, offering songs in straight MP3 format. Its web service was innovative and ahead of its time. And it was one of the few places that would let you listen to an entire song to sample it (after one complete listen, you then could only hear a 30-second sample)." Reader Dhandforth adds: "10-cent favorites will now cost 9.9x more. What's worse, a community of music fans (followers and followees) will disappear on May 31. Evil. Sigh."

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  1. While I personally didn't use the service... by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...I know people who did, and none of them are happy about this. I've herad nothing but good things about Lala, it's a shame that it will be going away :/

    1. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's the licensing. You have to negotiate licensing with every music publisher you carry. I'd imagine that the people responsible for Lala don't want to do that because it sounds like hell and they've already cashed out.

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    2. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They've successfully done it once, though. Seems like an easy way to generate that cash AGAIN when someone else comes along to buy them up, since they won't be competing with their predecessor.

      You can bet that Apple added a no-comptete clause to the contract; in return for Apple's cash, the Lala crew agrees not to create a competing service for x number of years. Standard Operating Procedure in those situations.

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    3. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suspect Apple will simply incorporate those features into iTunes at some point. They have already moved to make iTunes available via the web. That said, I would be blind to not acknowledge that it's possible this was to prevent direct competition with Lala if/when iTunes adapts similar features.

      I am curious about the summary and the indication that MP3 format from Lala was somehow better than the AAC audio from iTunes though. Neither is encrypted, and the potential quality is much better with AAC. You would be hard pressed to find music devices that only support MP3 these days.

    4. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by sbeckstead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh but it is. The essence of competition is eliminating competitors. Successfully competing means you win. How do we not understand this. Everybody seems to think that in order to have a product you must have competition, when in fact the perfect business model flourishes on no competition.

    5. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That doesn't seem very conducive to a competitive market. :(

      Tell that to the Lala owners who, rather than make their money selling songs to individuals at 50 cents a pop, chose to make their money selling in one giant transaction to their competitor, Apple. Good for them.

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  2. No duh? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because anyone actually thought that Apple was going to keep running two competing music stores?

    1. Re:No duh? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well......

      I hear people objecting about media consolidation. Like how NBC Universal owns ~10 major cable channels. And now Comcast owns NBC Universal, so they can control what gets shown or not shown on broadcast (say goodbye to BSG or SG1 reruns on free tv). It appears we're witnessing the same thing in the web, with competitors gradually disappearing to leave behind a monopoly or duopoly.

      I will leave it up to you to decide if that's bad or good.

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  3. Apple responds to complaints... by ojintoad · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve jobs sticks his fingers in his ears.. "LALALALALALALALALALA"

  4. I Recall That Acquisition Ceremony by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    There was a bit of a storm forming as it started and the wind picked up when Steve Jobs took the stage. The CEO of Lala looked very nervous. Heat lightning started arcing through the clouds as Steve finished his speech. Then he gestured to the Lala CEO who obediently got down on his knees. Steve drew a giant claymore from behind the podium and said very loudly as the storm climaxed, "There can be only one." And lopped off the head of Lala's CEO. Steve stood there shaking with ferver and excitement as user after user account was transferred to iTunes Music Service, rendering him many millions more in revenue. While particularly gruesome, heartless and violent to the eyes of women and children in the crowd, in the business world it's a perfectly natural cycle.

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  5. Re:And what if... by furball · · Score: 4, Informative

    A request for a refund check to Lala must be made prior to May 31, 2010 for a refund.

  6. 3 E's by Slash.Poop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Embrace
    Extend
    Extinguish

    1. Re:3 E's by gclef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And here Apple has shown once again that they're more efficient than Microsoft: they skipped step 2 entirely.

    2. Re:3 E's by icebraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then why has Apple spend $80 million to buy it just so it could kill it three months later?

  7. You should get a refund by loufoque · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You should get a refund of your money, not have it be transferred to iTunes.
    What you agreed to pay for was Lala's service, not iTunes'.

  8. Steve jobs as borg by Twillerror · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can slashdot

    a) create a Steve job version of the Bill Gates borg icon.
    b) change the MS icon Ms instead of the Bill Gates borg icon.

    I just think it's time.

    1. Re:Steve jobs as borg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No NO NO,
      The Steve Job Icon needs to be the man on the big screen from the 1984 video.

  9. Evil? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reader Dhandforth adds: "10 cent favorites will now cost 9.9x more. What's worse, a community of music fans (followers and followees) will disappear on May 31. Evil. Sigh."

    Evil? Evil?

    You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means.

  10. Re:Why does anyone use iTunes? by Reverberant · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apart from the 'cool' factor, why do people use Apple's locked down crap?

    Apple hasn't sold DRMd music for a couple of years now.

    Video through iTunes is still DRMd, but so is Amazon video.

  11. MP3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Lala was a much better music service, offering songs in straight MP3 format

    Are you calling AAC homosexual?

  12. You Have No Clue About Lala, Do You? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or maybe it's just that their business model didn't work.

    Bizarre that Apple would front cash money for a failing operation. It would probably have been a bit smarter to simply let them fall flat on their face instead of spending so much cash, right?

    Everyone's favorite companies are those that are giving free services and running at a loss, and then they complain when they turn to advertising, subscriptions, or just go belly up. iTunes is a sustainable business model, and Lala is not. Deal with it.

    What the hell are you talking about? On Lala, you could pay 10 cents per song to stream it as much as you want, or $.99-1.29 to own it outright. And that was not sustainable? They simply offered more options than Apple, they didn't give songs away. Where are you getting your information ... ?

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    1. Re:You Have No Clue About Lala, Do You? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      iTunes is not in and of itself profitable.

      You're a fool. They're celebrating billions of iTunes song sales and you're telling me that they're taking a hit on each of them? Is that why The New York Times calls it a "profit machine"? Is that why Billboard estimates they made a half billion in profit from song sales one year? The most conservative estimate I can find puts them closer to a 10% profit margin on song sales which means that their billions in revenues equates to hundreds of millions of dollars.

      I tell you what, though. I'm such a nice guy, I'll take the iTunes Media Service off Steve Job's hands and keep supporting only his iPods. I'll start accepting the "loss" and "risk" you seem to associate it with.

      There's no way that Lala could have been profitable.

      Really? The pricing structure I laid out for you didn't look like it could possibly net some profit?

      Here, let me help you out with what actually happened. Jobs saw Lala make some innovations like 10 cents to stream a song as much as you like. He got a bunch of consultants to analyze what would happen if iTMS started doing that. And they said that he would still make money but it wouldn't be the drastically high amount he makes because those streamers would opt for that instead of buying the full price song. So he had a choice. Take some undetermined loss by meeting Lala's functionality and compete with them ... or drop $80 million and burn Lala to the ground. I think he made the right choice for his company and the wrong choice for consumers and actual competitive capitalism. Can't blame him but you're a fool if you think he's losing cash on iTMS. I'm not even a businessman and this is painfully obvious to me.

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  13. Thanks Apple by egcagrac0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The whole reason I was using Lala was because my computers (Linux) don't seem to work with iTunes.

    Replacing my purchased web songs with an iTunes credit that I can't use doesn't really help me out.

  14. Re:Evil?'There Is No Such Thing as Absolute Evil' by MRe_nl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    (Interview with Notorious Lawyer Jacques Vergès).
    'There Is No Such Thing as Absolute Evil'
    He has met Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and Che Guevara. He defended 'Carlos the Jackal' and Nazi war criminal Klaus Barbie. Jacques Vergès, 83, is probably the world's most notorious attorney. His latest client is Khieu Samphan, the former head of state of Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, who is on trial for war crimes.

    SPIEGEL: Mr. Vergès, are you attracted to evil?

    Jacques Vergès: Nature is wild, unpredictable and senselessly gruesome. What distinguishes human beings from animals is the ability to speak on behalf of evil. Crime is a symbol of our freedom.

    SPIEGEL: That's a cynical worldview.

    Vergès: A realistic one.

    SPIEGEL: You have defended some of the worst mass murderers in recent history, and you have been called the "devil's advocate." Why do you feel so drawn to clients like Carlos and Klaus Barbie?

    Vergès: I believe that everyone, no matter what he may have done, has the right to a fair trial. The public is always quick to assign the label of "monster." But monsters do not exist, just as there is no such thing as absolute evil. My clients are human beings, people with two eyes, two hands, a gender and emotions. That's what makes them so sinister.

    SPIEGEL: What do you mean?

    Vergès: What was so shocking about Hitler the "monster" was that he loved his dog so much and kissed the hands of his secretaries -- as we know from the literature of the Third Reich and the film "Der Untergang" ("Downfall"). The interesting thing about my clients is discovering what brings them to do these horrific things. My ambition is to illuminate the path that led them to commit these acts. A good trial is like a Shakespeare play, a work of art.

    SPIEGEL: Are there any people whose defense you would not take on out of principle?

    Vergès: One of my principles is to have no principles. That's why I would not turn down anyone.

    SPIEGEL: Let's say, Adolf Hitler...

    Vergès: I would have defended Hitler. I would also accept Osama bin Laden as a client, even (US President) George W. Bush -- as long as he pleads guilty.

    SPIEGEL: You can't seriously be mentioning Hitler, Bin Laden and Bush, and their failings, in the same breath.

    Vergès: Every crime is unique, and so is every criminal. That alone makes such comparisons impossible.

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  15. Re:Your criteria are lacking. by Delusion_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MP3 can be encoded at levels which achieve transparency - just like any other modern audio codec. While I'm not really up on what encoder and bitrates Lala used for its MP3 offerings, the notion that your music just sounds better than my mp3 library assumes that I am encoding MP3s at below-transparency levels, and that you are encoding your AAC, Ogg, or whatever lossy format at transparency levels, or that you are using a lossless codec and that somehow transparency "isn't enough".

    This is incorrect, sir. MP3 as a format choice isn't the sole (or even main) criteria for most people who use it. MP3 is able to achieve transparency, its file sizes are reasonable (LAME encoding at v0 comes to mind), it's compatible with any hardware or software that one will encounter in the real world, and if your friend asks you for a copy of that latest Autechre album, you don't have to pontificate about how your chosen encoding format is better than their chosen encoding format, despite the fact that their software may not support it and their factory-included car CD/MP3 player most certainly won't. A 3% file size decrease with, say, Ogg, simply isn't compelling when it means putting up with the fact that a lot of hardware doesn't support it.

    I'm here for the music. Give me transparency, and give me ubiquity. Your claim that you can achieve a better sound at "x" bitrate is not compelling when the file size of MP3 is not obscene, and when both formats can achieve transparency at a reasonable bitrate. Not having to pontificate about audio formats that hardly anyone actually uses? Hell, that's just icing on the cake.

  16. Re:Straight MP3? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but for all practical purposes is useless outside of the iTMS walled garden.

    What are you talking about? How is it useless? It plays on pretty much every modern software and hardware music player made. It plays on the frickin' Zune. Zen, Archos, Sansa, Sony, even the PSP. Songbird, Mplayer, WMP, and everything else I can think of.

    Seriously, back in the day before anyone but Apple used it, it was a valid argument to say you wanted to use the more compatible .mp3 instead of the more efficient .mp4, but now I wonder what you're using that it isn't compatible with.

  17. Re:Evil?'There Is No Such Thing as Absolute Evil' by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, I had to google that. Here's the full interview:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,591943,00.html

    An extraordinarily interesting interview, to say the least. Well worth a full read.

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