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Purple Pokeberries Yield Cheap Solar Power

separsons writes "Researchers at Wake Forest's Center for Nanotechnology and Molecular Materials created a low-cost solar power system geared towards developing nations. By coating fiber-based solar cells with dye from purple pokeberries, a common weed, scientists created a cheap yet highly efficient solar system. Wake Forest researchers and their accompanying company, FiberCell Inc., have filed for a patent for fiber-based solar. Plastic sheets are stamped with plastic fibers, creating millions of tiny 'cans' that trap light until it is absorbed. The fibers create a huge surface area, meaning sunlight can be collected at any angle from the time the sun rises until it sets. Coating the system with pokeberry dye creates even greater absorption: researchers say the system can produce twice as much power as traditional flat-cell technology."

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  1. Pokeberries? by Pojut · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't decide if I should make a pokemon joke, or a your mom joke.

    Your mom poked my berries? I guess? I got nothin'.

    1. Re:Pokeberries? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't decide if I should make a pokemon joke, or a your mom joke.

      Your mom poked my berries? I guess? I got nothin'.

      Go with a modified classic quote: "I eated the purple pokeberries. They taste like solar energy."

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    2. Re:Pokeberries? by pavon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your car is run by hamsters and your roof smells of pokeberries!

    3. Re:Pokeberries? by causality · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is one reason (of many) why it's unwise to date single mothers...

      Right. Romance is dead... it was bought out by an aggressive takeover by hallmark and then sold off piece by piece. In other news, you're a jaded asshat who's trying to reduce the enormous complexity and diversity of human relationships into some neat little rule of "all single mothers are SATAN." Baka...

      I don't think you realize or appreciate how many men are in that guy's position. Note I told him he was not a victim. If he was a victim, that would have been her fault, as in something she did to him. It really wasn't. He made a decision without understanding what he was signing up for and he got screwed. That's his fault.

      I made no claims to have summed up all of human relationships, and that's for a reason, so please put aside your emotional visceral hyperbole. I didn't say single mothers were "satan" or anything of the sort. I said that they are generally not the best match for a single man to have either casual sex or a serious relationship with and proceeded to give reasons for that. I never said they should be treated as second-class citizens, I never said it's wrong to care a great deal about them, to be friends with them, etc. Only that having a sexual relationship with them is a lot more complexity and comes with more risk than most men are bargaining for, and that men need to seriously consider this instead of being so thoughtless or trying to play the victim.

      I'm saying men need to do a better job of taking responsibility for their decisions, such as whom they choose to be with. If you are a woman who disagrees with that, I'd wager you are in a tiny minority.

      Romance is far from dead, though as a man I can tell you that the number of women who appreciate it is lower than one would think, for the simple reason that "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" is (falsely) viewed by many of them as more manly. That's beside the point, however. It's pretty obvious to me that the original poster was thinking with his penis and it got him into trouble. I don't find anything particularly romantic about that, so no, romance was not what I wrote about. I think you're capable of realizing that on your own but your irritated emotional reaction required you to find some fault with me and created the need for me to point this out.

      If you'd like to stop calling me names and falsely characterizing both me and what I wrote, I'd be willing to have a rational discussion about this with you, but you need to know that those techniques are useless on me and anyone else who isn't in the business of winning your approval. I've had discussions with you before and from those I know that you normally adhere to a higher standard than this. That usually makes it a pleasure to hear what you have to say. If you still need to demonize me because I said something you dislike then unfortunately a rational discussion is going to be rather difficult. But, my offer stands and that choice is yours.

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  2. Pokeberry's weed status is endangered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Weeds are only weeds because we don't want them. If this solar technology takes off, the Pokeberry will cease to be a weed. Horrors!

    1. Re:Pokeberry's weed status is endangered by spookymonster · · Score: 3, Funny

      One man's weed is another man's smoke. It's all perspective, baby.

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    2. Re:Pokeberry's weed status is endangered by fifedrum · · Score: 3, Funny

      they weren't weeds 150 years ago, people used the juice for a base for ink. they're toxic though, so boil it 14 times, throw the sauce away and eat the pot.

  3. And abandoned fields... by millia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And abandoned fields across the American south became the new gold fields of the Yukon.

    That stuff pops up everywhere, and grows like you wouldn't believe. I can't imagine how well it would do if you fertilized.

    And of course, you can use the leaves for poke salad. With a lot of boiling...

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    1. Re:And abandoned fields... by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to watersheds.org:

      "Salat is the German word for salad, and probably came to the Ozarks with German settlers. Poke salat is made from Pokeweed."

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    2. Re:And abandoned fields... by ehrichweiss · · Score: 3, Informative

      Poke doesn't become non-toxic regardless of the amount of boiling. I had to look it up a few years ago when I was considering harvesting some from our backyard.

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    3. Re:And abandoned fields... by causality · · Score: 4, Funny

      And of course, you can use the leaves for poke salad. With a lot of boiling...

      Not meaning to sound like a dick, but it's poke salat. There was even a song about it way back in the day, Poke Salat Annie.

      Don't ask me what salat means, though. I have no idea.

      It's a German word that roughly translates to "Google me to learn what I mean in about ten seconds".

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  4. PokeBerries by mvidutis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gotta catch 'em all!

  5. Re:Still need nuclear by haruchai · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wind!! Considering all the gassy North Americans I've met ( me included ) we could export power to Mars. If we could figure out a way to harness farts, it would be a multiple source - wind power, methane, hydrogen.

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  6. The name is too long by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Wake Forest's Center for Nanotechnology and Molecular Materials"

    Seriously? That's a little bit too long. MacGyver Photonics has a much nicer ring to it.

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  7. Unobtainium Still Required by Black+Gold+Alchemist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This page indicates that indium tin oxide is still used in the solar panel. Indium has got to be removed because it is an extremely expensive, worth over $500/kg, and it is rare and unsustainable. It's used to make transparent conductors. If we could make some kind of plastic as a transparent conductor, that would be helpful.

    Or we could skip the solar panels and build a steam engine.

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  8. Re:Still need nuclear by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Total world energy consumption ~ 1.5 terawatts.

    At 1.5x10^13 / 1.1x10^3 = 1.4e10 m^2

    = 1.4e4 km^2... or roughly a patch of land just 116km x 116km.

    So assuming the unachievable 100% capture, we could generate all the power we need in the world by covering the state of Connecticut with magic solar panels.

    I totally support the idea of clean nuclear power, but let's get our figures straight.

  9. i have a similar technology for 3rd world solar by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    my tech is extremely advanced

    what i do is a store the construction information for a prefab nanoscale solar cell set up in a small protected sphere. with a little coaxing, the information stored in the sphere will begin assembling the solar array in a progressive manner that scales well in a fractal pattern that also maximizes solar exposure, including proprietary feedback mechanisms that is highly sensitive intellectual proerty. the solar assemblies are also plant based like the pokeberry mentioned one and are easily configured to various 3rd world climates

    the solar technology i employ even cleans up greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and converts it into oxygen, water, and an energy storage compound which also happens to taste delicious. this solar product can be utilized as an energy source by 3rd world peoples in a variety of ways, including direct reconstitution to carbon via a high energy oxygen based deconstruction process that also produces a form of heating, or- get this, this is the part i'm most proud of- the 3rd world residents can consume the solar arrays DIRECTLY and their own bodies can utilize the energy storage medium for biological sustenance

    how come nobody thought of this tech before?

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    1. Re:i have a similar technology for 3rd world solar by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have you considered getting some seed capital and commercializing that one?

  10. I was going to call this hype, but... by EriktheGreen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I expected reading this article to call this hype... there are many new discoveries reported here on Slashdot, especially with regard to optical technologies like solar cells and LCD displays, that are interesting and potentially useful... if they were at all practical or near market ready.

    This looked like another one, except upon reading what there is of the article and web page it just looks like the company building these has no PR or web staff, and seems completely focused on technology. Their web page looks like it was made by an intern, and they don't seem to have supplied much in the way of exciting facts or sound bites to the reporter, leaving them to provide some basic facts and fill in some boilerplate hyperbole: "Could Provide Low-Cost Solar for Developing Nations".

    From the looks of the technology, the basic principles were discovered prior to 2007 and a patent filed about then. Likely the patent was just granted. The company that is researching this stuff formed then, got a round of funding, and started delivering prototypes and test types.

    As of now they seem to be creating and testing whole assemblies, IE solar panels you can put outside and use for electricity.

    This is interesting because it means this isn't a lab curiosity.. they haven't demonstrated an effect in the lab, they've actually managed to develop it into a form that is nearing mass production capability.

    So why is this interesting for those of us not in the third world? Well, that bit about "developing nations" is an attempt to get people to relate to what the tech is good for.... possibly because wide implementation of solar power needs more than just good cells to work, it requires a massive change in infrastructure to distribute power or a major change on a per home basis to store and use the power in your own house. That's not as much of a problem in third world countries which have no reliable power anyway, and where people would be happy to have solar during the day.

    Third world comments aside, if the efficiency curve they're measuring is correct, these cells are a disruptive technology for the solar cell business. They're cheap to produce, relatively environmentally friendly, flexible, light... basically an excellent solar cell technology that everyone can use everywhere it's sunny.

    If these work out and get into mass production (the technology company making them is partnered with a couple manufacturing firms already) then you'll see a lot of them around everywhere, because they'll remove a couple major barriers to wider solar cell use... cost and the fragility of existing cells.

    Of course, odds are this is another cool announcement that won't go anywhere, but at least there are indications of some substance here and there...

    Erik

  11. The actual article by xilmaril · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100429141430.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+(ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News)

    The summary link is to a blog, which gives a short not too useful summary and then links to this Science Daily article.

    I like how Science Daily includes APA and MLA citation information at the bottom of their articles. Also, it seems like the fiber-based solar cells this article is about are the development, and the purple pokeberries are one of many possible natural or artificial dyes which could be used.

    It's a shame that the article tells us nothing about how the fiber-based solar cells work. Here is some information on that:
    http://www.fibercellinc.com/Technology.html

    The patent is with the EPO (european parliament patent office), so if anyone could find that, it'd be rad.

  12. Longevity? by Locke2005 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Current photovoltaics are expected to last for 30 years; what is the functional lifetime of this device? It seems to me that plastic and pokeberry dye won't last anywhere near as long as silicone.

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  13. Re:Great... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of the "Developing nations" out there are still having trouble with clean water, roads, and reliable power. So we're going to stick them with solar ? First, who is going to pay for it ? Second, if they aren't getting reliable power through more traditional means (like coal), how is this REALLY going to help them at all ?

    Well, solar can be hooked up directly to the building you need to power, so you could get power into a school, for example, without needing any infrastructure.

    And, I can see someone using this to run one of those UV water sterilizers. Imagine that -- a method of actually getting them sanitary water.

    Getting cheap power to remote places facing the problems you identify might actually help them to try to alleviate some of the problems. I bet there's loads of examples that people can identify that if you can provide power, you can do something. Having power is better than not since you get more options.

    Cheers

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  14. Sounds like a Graetzel cell by Bender_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This sounds very much like a Dye-sensitized solar cell, also known as Graetzel cell.

    Unfortunately that means that the new invention does probably share the same (unsolved) long term stability problems.

    1. Re:Sounds like a Graetzel cell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the big problem with DSSCs is that the dye breaks down, and this dye comes from a source that's as common and easy to cultivate as pokeweed, I don't see why a dye-flush couldn't be performed on the cells when it reaches the end of its lifetime.

      More stable dyes would be great, but something that can be cheaply recycled/refreshed might be just as good.