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Should the Gov't Pay For Injured Man's Wii?

An anonymous reader writes "Politicians in the Australian state of Victoria are currently locked in a debate about whether an injured man should be able to claim the cost of a Nintendo Wii for rehabilitation purposes under worker's compensation. The man's doctor apparently recommended he use the Wii Fit exercise device, but both insurance companies and the government itself have blocked the payment and have now ridiculed the idea as paying for video games. But with the Wii Fit increasingly being used for rehabilitation purposes internationally, does the man have a fair case?"

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  1. He should be careful what he wishes for... by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

    He should be careful what he wishes for, apparently there might be a risk of ending up like this women:

    http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/04/15/146236/Woman-Claims-Wii-Fit-Caused-Persistent-Sexual-Arousal-Syndrome

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    1. Re:He should be careful what he wishes for... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

      Persisistent arousal is no laughing matter. Being aroused on a continual basis and wanking until your penis is raw? from personal experience, I can tell you it isn't fun... I sure wouldn't want to go through my middle/high school years again. (okay, early college too)

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    2. Re:He should be careful what he wishes for... by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Persistent arousal is no laughing matter. Being aroused on a continual basis and wanking until your penis is raw?"

      You could try to get a job at the SEC.

  2. It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by dingen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not saying they should condone it, but a Wii is probably a lot cheaper than any other form of treatment or medication. Just saying.

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    1. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by erroneus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      EXACTLY what I was going to say. It's probably 10x cheaper than other treatments/devices. I can see the other side -- it's like medical marajuana -- people come out of the woodwork with faked conditions to get a prescription. Wouldn't want to start a land-rush. Next thing you know there will be "medically certified" Wiis out there costing 5x as much as the same thing "off the shelf" and on and on. Paying more now might avoid a rush that could cause a much bigger problem.

    2. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by Kirijini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't get it. The man's doctor recommended he use a wii. Why shouldn't the government or insurance pay for it as part of his workers comp? If they're gunna pay for him to receive treatment, why are they making such a big fuss about something his doctor recommended?

      They are spending way more money (time and resources) on fighting it than they would if they just bought the damn thing. Seriously, a Wii and a Wii Fit are equivalent dollar-wise to probably between one and two hours of lawyer-time. The cost of having various flackeys come up with reasons why not paying for the wii is the right thing to do, writing that out for the rejection letter, press releases, internal memos, etc. all adds up too.

      Frankly, the AU government and/or the insurance company is wasting its money - not only in fighting the payment for a wii, but in the way it approves or rejects payments. The process should be really simple: Did the doctor recommend it? Do we have any reason to suspect the doctor? Is there a clearly less expensive substitute that still fulfills the doctor's recommendation (i.e., a Wii not custom fabricated out of gold)? Is the payment less than x (x being the cost of rejecting the payment and winning a typical subsequent legal challenge)?

      All of these questions are really easy and would take up less than 5 minutes of a reviewers time. They would also weed out most fraud.

    3. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You cannot return a used joint but you can return a used Wii.

      Just make them return the Wii once treatment is over. You don't get to keep "free" wheelchairs after you've recovered either.

    4. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by dingen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why are they making such a big fuss about something his doctor recommended?

      Because it's a game console. You can play Zelda on it. And Mario. Playing such games doesn't have anything to do with treating the man's injury. Besides (and maybe even more important) a lot of people want a game console, like a Nintendo Wii. Giving away such devices for free when people are sick is going to make a lot of people sick.

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    5. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by tibit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And you can use crutches as beating sticks, too.

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    6. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by dingen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but people aren't standing in line to get crutches now, are they?

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    7. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Parent brings a great point that you can use medical devices for any other reason aside from its intended purpose - but the wii with wii fit is still a valid recommendation despite it. I'd mod parent up, the "Because you CAN use something for evil means it must necessarily be useless" argument is unacceptable, I'd think /.ers would be all about seeing the idiocy behind that.

    8. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by RKThoadan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have you ever used/played Wii Fit? Depending on the exercise I'm quite sure you can't get a similar amount of reliable feedback from anything other than medical grade equipment. It tracks your center of balance precisely and can tell you if your doing the exercises correctly. Sure, you can do the exercises without it, but you can't get that reliable feedback on how well your doing. Depending on what kind of rehab he needs that feedback could be vital.

    9. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If a doctor(never mind whether the doctor is reputable, he is a doctor) recommends that I do heroin to help with my stubbed toe, should the government and insurance companies pay for it, simply because some
      doctor says that it would help rehabilitate me?

      Yes. I don't see why insurance companies should be in the business of deciding who needs what treatment. That's what the doctors are for. If a doctor finds that a somewhat unusual method gets the right results cheaply, then that's fine with me.

      Now, if the doctor is prescribing the wrong things, or for the wrong reasons, go after the doctor and revoke their license.

      Any exercise that this man could do on a Wii Fit is an exercise he could do without it. If he ends up getting one, I can only hope he is forced to give it back once he has been fully rehabilitated.

      You're saying it as if the alternative to the Wii was simply no Wii. No, the alternative would be a licensed therapist, who probably charges per hour a significant part of the cost of a new Wii + Wii Fit. So the Wii, if it works is actually by far the cheapest option.

    10. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by Crewdawg · · Score: 4, Informative

      My wife works in Occupational Therapy and they utilize the Wii for hand eye coordination with people recovering from strokes, as well as other injuries. It provides immediate feedback of both fine and gross motor skills.

      If there were more specific "games" designed around therapy I think there it would be a valid mechanism for treatment. I'm not sure Wii Fit and Super Mario Party are maximizing the potential.

    11. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by TRRosen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes and ice cream is yummy. Therefore giving it to kids that have had their tonsils out will make more kids have tonsillitis.

    12. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Informative

      I know they're a lot cheaper than a wheelchair but the crutches and boot from when I broke my leg both stayed with me, along with a few other miscellaneous gadgets from rehab. Worker's comp paid for all of it (fell down the stairs at work so it fell under worker's comp). I'm guessing there's some cost threshold though.

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    13. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. The whole exercise part of the Wii is questionable at best. Even Miyamoto himself said that it's very unlikely that Wii Fit would actually improve someone's health, but that it's a starting point, a catalyst if you will, to put people on the right track.

      No, Wii Fit is not a replacement for something like running or lifting weights. But it absolutely is useful for basic mobility exercises and balance training, which is what a lot of physical/rehabilitative therapy is.

    14. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by Brandee07 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It also weighs you and calculates your BMI every time you use it, and then proceeds to tell you that you're fat.

      I started my shift from sedentary to kinda-sorta fit with Wii Fit Plus. The cardio is pretty low-level, but more than enough to wear out a fat video game nerd. Push-ups, however, are still push-ups, even if you're doing them on a balance board. In any case, I started with the Wii Fit, and now I pretty much only use it as a scale, and I get my actual exercise running. But, even though I don't use it now, if I hadn't had it to get me started, I probably would still be unable to run a mile without wanting to puke.

    15. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Informative

      In this case the stairs had had water tracked in from it raining outside that hadn't been cleaned up. When coming down the stairs when you don't even know it's been raining, hitting a soaking wet stair and your foot slipping isn't exactly too far fetched. There was no lawsuit. Worker's comp picked up the tab because THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET INJURED AT WORK.

      Thanks for playing though!

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    16. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm with the government on this one. If there's a need for low cast at-home virtual rehabilitation systems, perhaps the market should make some?

      It has, apparently - the Wii.

    17. Re:It's probably cheaper than the alternatives by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So they might accidentally allow him to enjoy it as well as get his medically required rehabilitation? At no additional cost to them? OH THE HUMANITY!

      Just take it back when he's rehabilitated. If he's actually willing to go to all of the trouble of committing an ongoing fraud to keep the device, then he actually DOES have an ongoing disabling mental illness.

      It amazes me the way societies willingly spend vast amounts of money just to make sure nobody accidentally gets some small thing for nothing (all adding up to somewhat less vast amounts of money).

  3. No! Come back when it's been medical-ized by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not medical equipment unless it's covered in ugly, pink "medical grade" plastic and exposed polished stainless steel tubes. Also, it must have an impossible-to-clean membrane keypad. And cost four thousand dollars, and can only be rented for one thousand dollars a month.

    Then and only then should the government pay for his rehabilitation tool.

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  4. Yes, and no. by Phoenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since the Doctor suggested the Wii Fit, then I have no problems with the idea of the Government pay for the Wii Fit. If this were in the US, then I would agree that the Insurance company pay for it.

    HOWEVER!

    Since the Wii can be used for more than just the physical fitness applications, the Wii itself should not be paid for.

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    1. Re:Yes, and no. by clemdoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I break a leg, I get crutches (if necessary)[1]. After I don't need them anymore, I have to give them back or pay for them. Same thing for the wii -> problem solved.
      [1] In Austria. YMMV

  5. injured man's wii? by yanyan · · Score: 5, Funny

    He was doing it wrong.

  6. Better than one of those expensive devices... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hey, it’s better than the $15000 a “officially accepted” device would cost, that would do the same job.
    I say, it is completely irrelevant what the device was “supposed to be’. What counts is:
    1. Did it help him?
    2. Was it not pointlessly expensive?
    And as it looks like that’s a yes, and a yes, I say: If you’d pay a “official” device, of course it should be paid. And you should be thankful that he didn’t take the $15000 device. ^^

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  7. No, the government shouldn't pay. by psnyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the man can do the same exercises without the Wii, without the game.

    Wii Fit is like a cheap personal trainer/motivator. No competent doctor is going to recommend it as a full replacement for a rehabilitation therapist. But they may recommend it as healthy, daily exercise. The same thing can be accomplished by handing the man a pamphlet, except Wii Fit motivates better.

    Yes, Wii Fit should be recommended to motivate patients. No, a government shouldn't pay for this "extra motivation".

    1. Re:No, the government shouldn't pay. by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I sort of agree with you, but playing Devil's advocate for a moment... The same motions that you go through at a "rehabilitation therapist" can be done without one as well, but they still pay for those when appropriate.

      I'm actually okay with the device being a loaner that is owned by the hospital/doctor, and is expected to be returned in full working order after rehab is done. I'm not okay with the government/insurance buying him a video game machine to keep.

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  8. Re:How can it be cheaper than FREE? by icebraining · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except he doesn't need to lose weight, but to perform rehabilitation exercises. Have you even read the title?

  9. Re:Rehaib hospital push by icebraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate video games!

    So what? You don't have to score points, just perform the motion and ignore the "game".

  10. No, he shouldn't get it paid for. by YojimboJango · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The doctor recommended that I cure my overweightness + bad knees with a elliptical machine (told me to quit running, it's bad for me). Insurance will not pay for the $3000 machine, nor will it pay for a gym membership.

    Doctors recommend things that you should do on your own. Doctors prescribe things that are necessary. His doctor only recommended a Wii, he did not prescribe one.

    Also stupid because the court case is gonna cost way more than the $300 a wii with wii fit would cost.

  11. The Doctor recommended it by cstacy · · Score: 3, Funny

    So did the Doctor modify this Wii with a sonic screwdriver, or is it just a stock game console?

  12. Re:Rehaib hospital push by Kozz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Broke my hip on the ice this winter. When I was in rehab they got me up and forced me to play a stupid bowling game on the wii. I hate video games! They seem to think anything that motivates you to get up and be more active is a good thing. ( Oklahoma, USA)

    You could probably get equivalent exercise by chasing the neighborhood kids from your lawn.

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  13. sounds familiar by TRRosen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    reminds me of Roger Ebert's complaint that his insurance would pay $8000 for a bulky piece of crap machine with a keyboard to speak for him that sounded like a bad 60s Sci-fi robot but refused to pay $1000 for a macbook that could do the same thing much better.

  14. Re:Behind the Scenes Deals by Phrogman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Insurance companies more than likely have a deal with the manufacturers of that bulky, ugly equipment so that they get a kickback on any purchases they support. Insurance companies are not about providing a useful service to their customers, they are about making as much money as possible while paying out the least amount possible.

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  15. Re:Hmm... by anagama · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Worker's comp is a form of insurance.

    Typically, it also comes with the provision that you cannot sue your employer for negligence, so business gets an enormous perk, and workers get fixed up so they continue to be productive for themselves and their families. Anyway, only complete retard would say that it would be better to be able to sue a company for millions, than pay $300 for a Wii.

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  16. Re:Hmm... by miggyb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You do realize you're typing this on the Internet, which came from ARPANET, which was a military project funded by the government, right?

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