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The Virtual Choir Project

An anonymous reader writes "Conductor and composer Eric Whitacre has successfully created a virtual choir using the voices of 185 people who posted their performance on YouTube. The piece that's performed is called 'Sleep,' composed by the conductor himself in 2000. Anyone can join in — all you need is a webcam and a microphone."

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  1. Absolutely by imamac · · Score: 2, Funny

    one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. Coming from a guy with a music degree.)

    1. Re:Absolutely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming from a guy with a music degree.

      How's unemployment anyways?

    2. Re:Absolutely by drosboro · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, it's really, really cool. I'm a choir director, and we performed this piece a year or two ago. It's incredibly ambitious to even think of doing something like this across social media - it's not an easy piece to conduct, so it wouldn't be easy to keep the singers synced with each other. You can hear a bit of that any time there's an ending consonant (e.g. on "lux" throughout the piece). Nevertheless, he's created some amazing art with this already great composition.

      And, to echo someone else's sentiments below - the piece is "Lux Aurumque", not "Sleep".

    3. Re:Absolutely by imamac · · Score: 1

      Oh, I also have a second degree in Managment of Health Informatics and am almost done with a Masters in Healthcare Administration. I'm not worried about the very unlikely chance of being unemployed.

  2. I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not cool. It's entirely not original. Can someone explain in what way they think it is?

    1. Re:I disagree by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 1

      Well... what else is out there, where a conductor took hundreds of choral parts, recorded solo, and stitched them together both for sight and sound, creating a single, sync'ed whole choral piece?

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    2. Re:I disagree by ProfMobius · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It is exactly what internet is about. Taking pieces and bit from different willing people, and make something greater than just the sum of the parts.

      This is an amazing performance, coordinating hundred of people around the world, people who will never meet, but are working together to bring to life a project.

      Internet is not just for porn, facebook and WoW you know.

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    3. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not cool. It's entirely not original. Can someone explain in what way they think it is?

      Can you explain in what way you've ever done anything remotely creative yourself, when you're not teabagging n00bs in Halo ?

    4. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Internet is not just for porn, facebook and WoW you know.

      "OH, but Kate Monster! What you think he do, *after*??" ;)

    5. Re:I disagree by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's entirely not original.

      Originality in art is highly overrated.

      All the originality in the world doesn't mean a damn if it doesn't touch someone's heart. This piece is pretty moving.

      Listen to the otherworldly ambiance created by the blending of so many varied different recordings by so many different microphones in so many different spaces. This odd effect almost becomes an additional voice itself. The video aspect doesn't do much for me, except to remind me of the fractured and disconnected nature of the multitude of individual recordings, mixed together.

      In my music, I use convolution a lot to create space, from the inside of my mouth to the middle of a lake. It never occurred to me that by blending so many individual elements you would come up with this, I guess, hyperspace reverb.

      It reminds me a bit of Heinrich Goebbels' Surrogate Cities.

      I mean, it's not exactly Miles'Agartha, or the first Stooges album, or even Wagner's Parsifal, but it ain't bad. Not at all.

      Bravo.

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    6. Re:I disagree by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It is exactly what internet is about.

      In the end, how it was made is not really that important.

      But the end result is quite beautiful. And making something beautiful, today, is no small thing.

      The guy deserves credit for that. Points for execution, points for conception, but it's beauty, FTW.

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    7. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.youtube.com/user/symphony

    8. Re:I disagree by ProfMobius · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. This is an amazing piece of work. I need to grab the full discography to put while working.

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    9. Re:I disagree by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      The Virtual Choir Project was done better than the Youtube Symphony. Maybe if they would have separated different instruments into their own sections and we could see them all play at once with the rest of the orchestrate it would be more impressive.

      The Virtual Choir Project is a WIN because you can see everyone, at once, the entire time while they sing. It's like watching a real choir instead of a few frames of individuals like the Youtube Symphony.

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    10. Re:I disagree by Corporate+Drone · · Score: 2, Informative

      wait -- are you being serious? The YouTube Symphony was simply a mechanism to collect auditions; their performance was live, as a group, (certainly) rehearsed as a group, and, although well done, not groundbreaking in any "virtual" way.

      On the other hand, this choir "performance" is actually the combination of individual performances, done all at the singers' locations, without group rehearsal, and combined into a "virtual" performance, which we get to hear and see in real-time.

      The differences are like night and day -- are you seriously not seeing the originality of the approach here?

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    11. Re:I disagree by somersault · · Score: 1

      http://www.amazon.com/Eric-Whitacre-Cloudburst-Other-Choral/dp/B000E1XOUS

      Got it a couple of years ago while looking for Polyphony stuff after hearing them on the radio :) Even better is

      http://www.amazon.com/Morten-Lauridsen-Lux-aeterna/dp/B0007GP69W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272966899&sr=1-1

      Their CD singing Whitacre's stuff isn't bad, but Lux Aeterna is truly awesome.

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    12. Re:I disagree by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Great stuff. Thanks.

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    13. Re:I disagree by wondershit · · Score: 1

      Dude, you mean Heiner Goebbels. Heinrich Goebbels is the nazi child of Heinrich Himmler and Joseph Goebbels.

    14. Re:I disagree by Twinbee · · Score: 1

      Wasn't the reverb added afterwards?

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    15. Re:I disagree by lkeagle · · Score: 1

      As an audio engineer, it would certainly be my opinion that these tracks were highly processed after mixing, and possibly before. The amount of noise and distortion from hundreds of cheap laptop/webcam microphones would be horrific. I'm certain they used a noise reduction filter, and an awful lot of additional ambiance/reverb to mask the sonic artifacts.

  3. World's first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I think niconico would take offense... oh wait, "made with youtube", yeah, that's probably a first.

    1. Re:World's first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha. Leave it to 4chan, actually.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIQG2OEiUQQ

      Warning: Neckbeard choir may be unsuitable for people with actual educations.

  4. some badass cinematography by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    I would not have thought of to do it that way. What an elegant way to compose all the videos. Bravo!

  5. Of course it's about opnions. by IANAAC · · Score: 1

    It's not cool. It's entirely not original. Can someone explain in what way they think it is?

    I can tell you why *I* think it's cool:

    Unlike something like, say, what Kutiman does, this uses willing participants, knowing beforehand the part they'll be playing in the overall scheme. These aren't "found" sounds.

    And it has nice production value, too.

  6. Crowdsourcing made cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Pro musicians have been recording tracks asynchronously for ages. The difference is that instead of having a tiny video likeness of themselves put on a YouTube video, they got paid.

    1. Re:Crowdsourcing made cool. by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      sneering is a sign of insecurity

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  7. Eric Whitacre is doing some neat things by DesertJazz · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The composer, Eric Whitacre, has been doing quite a few cool new things integrating multi-media into his works recently. This internet video is the biggest one so far, and I find it absolutely amazing how the project came off. The person who did the video editing did a great job. It's been talked about on CNN, BBC, and now much more imporantly Slashdot! ;-) He's got a pretty faithful following on Facebook.

    If you're into music at all check out some of his compositions. I'm a band person (director), but his choral stuff is amazing. He's also transcribed many of his pieces (including this one) into band works and written a number of orchestral pieces. (October is by far my favorite)

    1. Re:Eric Whitacre is doing some neat things by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      You should also check out his new opera/theater/electronica thing called Paradise Lost: Shadows and Wings. I recently (warning: shameless bragging ahead) heard him promote it from the stage at Carnegie Hall, where I performed later that evening.

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  8. Beautiful by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Normally I flinch at new choral / orchestral music from the past 100 years or so, because it's struck me as avante gard and distonal compared to Beethoven et al.

    But this performance is just beautiful. I love it.

    1. Re:Beautiful by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Eric Whitacre really knows his stuff, which is what makes his music fun to sing and listen. Some stuff he does really well:
        - Create a sort of choral shimmer using notes that are really close to each other. That's a technique that's been really developed in the last 100 years.
        - Use the lower registers of the voices. A lot of composers go with faster-higher-louder to create excitement, but Whitacre has no problem dropping the basses to their low register for something completely different.
        - Choosing his words carefully, and matching them to his musical intentions.
        - Making his lines fairly easy to sing, so the singers have a good chance of really nailing their parts.

      And if you've skipped most of the last century's worth of orchestral and choral music, you've missed a lot of really interesting styles. The way to think about it is that there was a lot of experimentation, and some things worked and a lot of things didn't work. Interestingly, now that composers know more about what doesn't work, they've been recently doing more of what does work.

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    2. Re:Beautiful by Rheostatik · · Score: 1

      You're mistaken. Choral music has largely escaped the atonal mess that largely dominated the mid-to-late 20th century. Most choral composers know how to write music effectively, music that doesn't cater to their own egotistical desire to "push the boundaries", or to the expectations and wishes of a Ph.D supervisor.

      Not saying all contemporary instrumental is crap...there's lots of good stuff out there, to be honest. But contemporary choral music, probably due to the medium, is so much more accessible.

    3. Re:Beautiful by Rheostatik · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention beautiful and exciting works of art Music really started going down hill in the mid-century, when it became too academic. There still is some good stuff out there, however.

    4. Re:Beautiful by frog_strat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the atonal mess

      Some of us like this stuff. Try playing top 40 stuff over and over to help make it through college. Anyone with a brain will eventually want to hear some fresh and unusual ideas. Schoenberg, Bartok, Webern, Ligeti.

    5. Re:Beautiful by Rheostatik · · Score: 1

      the atonal mess

      see:

      the atonal mess that largely dominated the mid-to-late 20th century

  9. Wrong piece by Logarhythmic · · Score: 3, Informative

    The piece in the video is called Lux Aurumque, not Sleep. I've actually performed a wind ensemble version of this piece -- it's extremely difficult due to the very delicate and exposed parts, but Whitacre's music is just gorgeous.

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    1. Re:Wrong piece by clawsonb · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I've preformed Sleep myself and have heard this one preformed before. I was expecting a different piece when I played the video. Not that I'm disappointed however, both are beautiful pieces, and it was really amazing to see something like this actually work out. As one without the time available to practice with a real choir anymore, this would be a great way to get to sing with others.

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  10. Filtering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'd like to know how much the audio was manipulated. There's no way you could get that many YouTube videos together and not hear air conditioners running, dogs yapping, babies crying, TVs playing, dishes clanging, microphone hits, etc. whether incidental or not. Add to that the differing audio quality between each person's rig and you'd expect a lot more of a cacophonous result.

    1. Re:Filtering? by DesertJazz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not sure exactly about the filtering, but I know that the singing was recorded with the performers listening and matching with headphones on. I also know there was a TON of entries to get into this video. Whitacre has almost a cult following in the choral world, and many people jumped at the chance. It could be that one of the ways they selected the vocalists was to throw out poor audio files.

    2. Re:Filtering? by fbjon · · Score: 1

      For starters, there is a massive (but quite good) reverb laid on top. Besides the obvious, it has the same effect as soft focus for photos: blends together, smoothes out minor blemishes. Continuous hiss and room noise is not that difficult to remove, although I can still hear some in there. Finally, each individual voice/video doesn't contribute much by itself to the final output, as is expected in a choir. If there's 100 voices, the spurious background noises will be tiny in comparison to the whole.

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  11. Nothing new, nothing unusual, still awesome. by Senes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an old trick, just record in studio (people's homes) and then put it all together for the final mix.
    But still, there is something brilliant and beautiful about this. Not that it reinvents anything, but it does a great job of demonstrating this trick to a new generation of people who can take interest and see what else they can achieve with it.

    1. Re:Nothing new, nothing unusual, still awesome. by YourExperiment · · Score: 1

      This is an old trick, just record in studio (people's homes) and then put it all together for the final mix.

      How dare you! This isn't just a bunch of separate studio takes stuck together, this is a virtual choir! Oh wait...

  12. This is how I picture the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our senators will communicate this way one day

    1. Re:This is how I picture the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our senators will communicate this way one day

      You mean pre-recorded and arranged by a master puppeteer into a virtual senate?

      I think you got your wish already.

  13. Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for multitracking.

    it woulda been quicker to just go down to the local University and have the choir do a sight read.

    1. Re:Yay... by ahankinson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... and suddenly you miss the whole point of doing it.

      Yes. Choirs have been singing together for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. Name one other point in history where a whole amateur choir can sing together, from their own homes, without ever being in the same physical space as one another.

      This isn't about expediency. It's about exploring a new medium. You might not get that, if you work at the level of switches & cabling, but what we're creating out of these mundane realities is a whole new way of working together. It's like Gutenberg, looking at the printing press and saying "Yay for stamping ink. You could have just gone down to the local monastery and gotten the monks to copy it."

    2. Re:Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Name one other point in history where a whole amateur choir can sing together, from their own homes, without ever being in the same physical space as one another

      How about the Cavern Choir? They're only a dozen, but they're a virtual choir and have been recording/performing for a few years now.

    3. Re:Yay... by ahankinson · · Score: 1

      I would actually lump them in with "this point in history." I'm certainly not saying that this is the first time it's happened, but you don't have to be first to be considered a pioneer.

    4. Re:Yay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Name one other point in history where a whole amateur choir can sing together, from their own homes, without ever being in the same physical space as one another."

      I can't because it hasn't happened yet.

      That choir is not singing together. When people sing in a choir, they can hear each other, and they influence each other, and a magical thing happens as everyone locks together to create the music. All the singers in this video would be performing separately to a guide track.

      It's not so bad as this piece of music is slow and monotonous and not timing critical. Also, there has been significant processing on the voices... noise reduction to start with, and I think I can hear some auto tune and timing editing, and some well recorded voices dubbed on top to restore the sibilants. It says at the beginning '183 voices, 243 tracks', so either some are in stereo (unlikely for youtube, and would have to be played back as single channel anyway on mixdown to keep the choir pan pot stereo image), or some professional pre-recorded voices were used as well.

      Anyway, the upshot is that a choir is people singing together, and this is a multitracked vocal recording. When I fake a choir myself with samples in the same manner as this, it sounds a bit like a choir, but I don't call it a choir. :)

      Strangely, this would have been possible perhaps 90 years ago, as people could sing together on telephone party lines. Since digital exchanges the latency is too high, the quality lower, and echo cancellation more difficult, so a remote choir is no longer possible.

  14. When they go on tour ... by 517714 · · Score: 1

    being a roadie will either be the worst job in history ... or one of the easiest.

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  15. Nice but... by grumpyman · · Score: 1

    Very cool but tons of post effects and editing. If this can happen in real-time that'll be awesome.

    1. Re:Nice but... by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      Not technically "real-time" but certainly live...a few years ago I attended a live music performance in Second Life where the trio were around the world, one in Tokyo, one in Georgia, one in a city in Canada doing vocals/harmonica, keyboard and guitar all together.

      They used software that allowed the subsequent performers to hear the first's stream and mix them together for the next. They also had themselves on video (ustream) so you could choose your own camera and watch them all separately from their avatars on stage in Second Life.

      There were nearly 100 people in the audience enjoying their improvisations. (To give credit, I believe Komuso came up with the idea of combining all the technologies...the other performers I think were Noma and Hathead iirc.)

  16. Lux Aurumque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the 185 voice composition is "Lux Aurumque", which is the second (and more polished) accomplishment of Eric Whitacre's Virtual Choir. And Lux is a much more beautiful song... breathtaking!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7o7BrlbaDs&fmt=22

  17. Dirty little secret. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whiteacre uses a VSTi called Spectrasonics Symphony of Voices, he was just looking for people to lip sync. This video is the Milli Vanilli of choirs.

  18. thy dudeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...also you need good voice

  19. immortality by gert+cuykens · · Score: 1

    be part of something that can not die

  20. You have a music degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cool story bro, me too! So where do you wait tables at?

    1. Re:You have a music degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0