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Mariposa Botmasters Sought Real Jobs After Arrest
An anonymous reader writes "Two of the three Spanish men arrested in February for their alleged role in operating the massive Mariposa botnet later sought jobs at the Spanish security firm that previously had helped get them arrested. From Krebsonsecurity.com: 'Corrons, a technical director and blogger for Spanish security firm Panda Security, said he received a visit from the hackers on the morning of March 22. The two men, known by the online nicknames "Netkairo" and "Ostiator," were arrested in February by Spanish police for their alleged role in running the "Mariposa" botnet, a malware distribution platform that spread malicious software to more than 12 million Internet addresses from 190 countries (mariposa is Spanish for "butterfly"). Now, here the two Mariposa curators were at Panda's headquarters in Bilbao, their resumes in hand, practically begging for a job, Corrons said.' The story concludes with a brief response from Netkairo, who acknowledges seeking the job at Panda because he is broke now that his moneymaking machine has been dismantled."
What about Kevin Mitnick? He is making a living by switching his hat from black to white, and no one had a problem with that. It would seem that Panda might do better having a few people who know how to make malware so successfully. The question, of course, is "can you trust them?" and only they can answer that.
What did you expect the guys to do for jobs, flip burgers? Become stock brokers? Of course they would pursue careers in security. It seems they must know a fair amount about it to get away with so much, for so long. They certainly know more than someone coming straight from a CS degree.
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...Then a life of crime is all that awaits. It's easy to say you have high standards shutting potentially talented people out of your organization, but no one should be surprised if those people turn to illegitimate activities again.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. --Will
If by "jobhunting" you mean "willingly fucking up the computers of 12 million people, then expecting a pity party when they get caught," then yes.
>...Then a life of crime is all that awaits.
That may be, but sometimes there just are no second chances, and it's a shame more people don't consider the consequences of their actions before they act.
But they don't have to turn to a life of crime. Someone has to cook the french fries, after all.
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that only economic pressure leads one to crime. yes, economic pressure does lead some to a life of crime. but there are other motivations, such as: simple lack of ethics and/ or morals
therefore its difficult to employ these men because they have proven they have no problems trangressing against other people's rights. once you have proven that you are willing to do that, anyone in their right mind would hesitate to hire you for anything. for to let such a person into your organization is to basically invite yourself to be defiled
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
But there's a big difference between giving someone a second chance and giving them whatever job they want. These guys have already proven that they have some severe ethical problems. That can limit the roles in which a company is willing to let them work. As an example: Would you be ok with these guys working on the database that contains your credit card number, or bank account details? If not then perhaps you can understand why a company wouldn't want them in certain roles.
So while I'm not saying "Screw them, they should have to beg for food for life," I think they need to accept that they aren't going to be able to be computer security professionals, at least not for some time. Perhaps they need to look at careers away from computers entirely. However if they are staying in the computer field, they are probably going to have to look at jobs that don't involve access to much, maybe helpdesk type positions. Kinds sucks but that's life.
Trust isn't the kind of thing that you can just get back once you've destroyed it. It takes time to rebuild. They are going to need to spend time working honestly to show that indeed they have learned their lesson and can act in an ethical manner. They can't expect to get a job with access to potentially sensitive data straight off, even if their technical skills are top notch (and I question if that's the case).
I'm not even going to begin to address the evolution of language and divergence of modern dialects of english, however to deny that such changes have occurred is misguided. While the colonial use of english in north america may remain mutually intelligible with that of britain and english speaking europeans, this is largely due to the influence of modern television. Maintaining that it is still the same spoken, let alone written language is simply ridiculous. You are unlikely to agree with this, however there it is.