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Second Inquiry Exonerates Climatic Research Unit
mvdwege writes "After being cleared of charges of misconduct by a parliamentary committee, now the CRU has the results of the inquiry (PDF) by a panel of scientists into their scientific methods. Here is the CRU press release. Criticisms: The statistical methods used, though arriving at correct results, are not optimal, and it is recommended future studies involve professional statisticians if possible; and the CRU scientists are lacking somewhat in organization. A very far cry from the widespread allegations of fraud. It seems 'Climategate' is ending with a whimper."
It's ending with a whimper all right - a whimper is all that will show up on the news media outlets that trumpeted the e-mails to high heaven.
This is what always happens. "Amazing discovery! Free energy within five years!" gets front page headlines, but "Scientists retract bullshit claims that nobody in the field believed in the first place" gets put on page 40, right after the obituaries.
That's okay though, because the e-mails have already served their purpose; I'm sure we'll be hearing that moronic refrain of "hide the decline! Hide the decline!" for the next three or four years, regardless of its basis in reality. All that really matters is that the initial narrative was sufficiently plausible to gain a life of its own.
Making all their data freely available is ludicrous, there is just too much of it. When you have this much data to work on, you only make it available to people who have a chance of understanding it; in this case fellow scientists.
You don't see CERN release all their data either, at least not to the public.
The idea that scientists are bought and paid for by "Big Oil" is total nonsense. Scientists are only bought and paid for by the government.
I beg to differ!
First of all, they have NOT arrived at the correct results! - There are still lots of very well qualified experts that seriously question both methods, data and conclusions. The exact same data was used - often by the same experts - in the 1980's to prove that we were heading for a new ice age, i.e. the exact opposite of the current popular theory. That makes both the experts and their data highly questionable, as well as their methods of using them.
Also, nobody in the cult of global warming has made any attempt at explaining the known variance in the planets historical climate (both the ice age cycle and minor fluctuations) except blame it on the Sun, which they say have nothing to do with the current change they see in their data...?! - That does not compute! - The Sun is obviously the only thing separating us from the deep freeze of deep space so variations in its output will cause variations in the Earths climate - that's beyond any question!
And second of all, 'not optimal' is an understatement! - Manipulating data more or less randomly outside the scientific method in order to prove a point is quite simply fraud. Nothing more, nothing less. Science needs to be more like justice, i.e. blind. Just follow the data and see where it leads. It seems to be far too easy to pose a theory and then 'tweak' the data to 'prove' it (although in real science you cannot prove a theory; you can only disprove it or conclude that nothing disproves it and thus it seems justified and 'true'). And there's lots of data that disproves man-made global warming, including the recent winter. If that's within the limits of the theory, then any warming (much less severe) is as well. In other words: No change beyond natural 'noise'.
They look around, find scads of data that fits their model, and with enough data, declare the "debate is over".
Don't forget that if the data _doesn't_ fit your model, you get to 'adjust' it until it does.
'Global warming', sorry, 'climate change' is now potentially a multi-trillion dollar global industry if the banks get their 'crap and trade' laws passed. Does anyone really think that a little thing like the truth is going to be allowed to get in the way of those fat profits and bonuses? Ten years from now we'll be shivering in the dark because the price of power and heating has been massively increased to make fat-cats like Al Gore even richer, sorry, to prevent 'global warming'.
I guess all those climate change die hards missed Dr. Jones admission that there's not been any evidence of global warming since 1995. that he admitted writing email in discussion trying to avoid producing his data to Freedom of Information requests. And then once before that POLITICAL panel, he winds up not producing any of his hockey stick data at all. He just plain lost it. Poor guy.
You all must have missed the story that the IPCC "scientists" approve one report language as to conclusions if any, and the politicians rewrite the report conclusions. Hmm. Na, that wouldn't happen, would it?
Yup, you can be all proud and feel safe at night knowing that nothing was found wrong by a POLITICAL panel, since Dr. Jones turned over no data. Can't prove data was manipulated if there's no data to examine. Yup, the entire history of the scientific method thrown right out the window.
So much for scientific scepticism that poor Dr. Jones just couldn't find his original hockey stick data that made him famous. You know the one that fails to show any Midevil warming period, no mini-ice age. The one that stops right at 1961, and doesn't show -- what the tree ring data -- you know that data that shows the warming and cooling periods since 1961. Or that the IPCC hand picked one pattern of data and weighed 390x over the others. (yeah, just some minor problems with the statistics, right. A huh!)
ALL to exaggerate the import of .5 degrees Celsius' rise at a low point in Earth's temperature and CO2 history. All to claim there's a CO2 connection when there is no connection. It's just that pesky solar radiation, you know the activity that was at a historic high. (Did I read it was an 8000 year high. No it couldn't be, that would be .... gasp.... contradicting to the global warming religion.)
Those Martians, Jovians, Titans, and Plutonians -- with their SUV's and all -- warming each of those planets during the same period of high solar activity. And dont you think that its strange that none of these places have "green house" gases, well unless you count Titan's liquid methane oceans.
Gosh I get goose bumps all over, as I am so terrified about the earth ... now that it's begun cooling again -- what -- these past 10 years.
What ever you all are smokin, just keep smokin it. The same BS was going on by some of the same people in the 70s, then predicting this hell all freezing over.
GOD HAS NOTHING TO FUCKIN DO WIT IT!
MAN DOES.
Science still won't cover Aerial Spraying in regards to Climate, nor will they cover H.A.A.R.P. and it's operations.
Maybe we should talk about the electronic sensors used, their electronics, their thermal considerations, their placement and location next to AC, Parking Lots, asphalt, Garbage Burning!
NONE of this shit is science if this is left out. If it's classified, it's left out. If it's a state secret, it's left out!
However I turn my attention to a more important problem.
Your clearly a (D) I can tell by your use of the word "freep" meaning freepress'ers , and which refers to users of the Freepress Website.
And because your still stuck in a (D) vs (R) mentality, the oath breaking, theft of elections, destruction of the monetary system, un-ending wars and the constitution will NEVER GET FIXED. FASCISM WILL CONTINUE . PROPAGANDA WILL CONTINUE
Fuck D's
Fuck R's
Turn off your fucking TV and get out there and SEE how fucked up things are getting!
The next thing you know you'll be agreeing with Katie Couric that the 40yr old WHITE MEN from the TEA PARTY are the terrorists!
Did you read the README HARRY doc? (maybe) Do you Code? (no)
what the fuck is your problem, your the one who has nothing substantial.
ANYONE FOLLOWING THIS ISSUE CAN SEE THAT.
and to everyone that don't like highlighted words and Caps FUCK YOU.
Dear, God, I wish I could mod you. And moreover, while I was reading I was wishing you had not posted as AC -- which you then addressed. We really need people to make propositions like this with a name (or at least a solid handle) put to them.
As I am often insulted by nit-wits poking into my field of expertise, I can relate to and appreciate your indignation in this exercise. Bravo, my friend.
Surely Thom Sawyer & his friend Huck both had to have had a hand in wielding so large a brush as to try to exonerate the scum of the CRU.
Anyone can play that game:
Everything I've ever said that was not 100% correct, or was hurtful or insensitive, or revelatory of adverse intentions, was a joke. You're stupid for not getting it.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
They are not skeptics. They are deniers/denialists. The creationists of the global warming debate.
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Are you SERIOUSLY comparing people who make money off of GREEN technologies to those who are on the PAYROLL of POLLUTERS like Big Oil? Wow, you need a nice, hot cup of Get Some Fukin Perspective.
There, fixed that for you. And the answer is yes!
There is no "I disagree" mod for a reason. Flamebait, Troll, and Overrated are not substitutes.