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Apple's Haves and Have Nots, Around the World

Rambo Tribble writes "As this story in the Economist notes, Apple's policies regarding international sales are often confusing and outdated. Apparently, Apple either hasn't been aware of political and social changes in the world over the last 20 years, or doesn't wish to acknowledge them." Soulskill rightly notes that at least some of the complained-about policies boil down to Apple's adherence to local copyright and licensing laws.

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  1. wow by masterwit · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Just a sincerely humble opinion from a user of slashdot, I mean no cynical biased remarks from what follows, now that I got that out of the way:

    That's interesting, do you mean to say laws differ from country to country, WOW!

    If anyone has some more intelligent takes or even substantial information other than the article that was linked, please inform me and I will gladly read :)

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    1. Re:wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously. Just wait until the economist hears about region coded dvds!

    2. Re:wow by angularbanjo · · Score: 5, Funny

      slapForehead();

      Surely you mean

      Forehead *myForehead = [[Forehead alloc] init];
      [myForehead isSlapped:YES with:@"Hand"];
      [myForehead release];

    3. Re:wow by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      [myForehead isSlapped:YES with:@"Hand"];

      The is prefix should only be used on predicate methods (i.e. ones returning a BOOL). If you have a KVC-compliant accessor, it can be isSlapped or setSlapped: for the @"slapped" key. Starting a method with side effects with is is very bad style.

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    4. Re:wow by donutello · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also, you don't want to allocate a new instance of Forehead. You want to use the one you already have. And slap is an action, not a state.

      [[Forehead sharedInstance] slap:[[Hand arrangedObjects] objectAtIndex:kHandLeftIndex]];

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  2. Apples website in general by lul_wat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apples website is generally a shambles. I'm trying to develop iPhone applications and it's useless and difficult to navigate.

    Also try looking at the technical specifications of the iPhone - it's just a bulletpoint list of features- hardly 'technical'

    Basically their website sucks, and the sucking doesn't stop there with Apple

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    1. Re:Apples website in general by Alex+Belits · · Score: 4, Funny

      * Accelerometer
      * Proximity sensor
      * Ambient light sensor

      ...all typical components of a bomb...

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    2. Re:Apples website in general by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Apple's consumer website www.apple.com is one of the best designed websites out there."

      WTF? Apple.com is crap, complete and useless.

      Let's say I'm a visitor from Ukraine (I am, BTW). I go to apple.com - and see a site in English. How do I switch language to Ukrainian or Russian? The common way is to have a switch at the top of the site, offering language choices from GeoIP database.

      But here I have to scroll it all the way down and click on inconspicuous 'Choose your country or region' button.

      Ok, I click it and see country names. There's Ukraine? Nowhere to be found, even though I know as a fact that there are authorized Apple sellers in Kiev. Ok, I click on "Russia" because I speak Russian as well.

      Great, I see the big 'Buy' button on the top left. I eagerly click it (http://www.apple.com/ru/buy/). And see a lot of options (some of them with in a broken grammar - can't they find good translators?). What should I choose? What is the difference between Apple distributors and resellers?

      Ok, I click on "Apple distributors" - http://www.apple.com/ru/buy/shop/

      Great! I now can see the list of 3 (count them - THREE!) Apple shops for the whole Russia, all in Moscow. Wow!

      And you might notice that I still can't find Ukrainian distributors.

      Ok, I'm a power user and do a web search: http://yandex.ua/yandsearch?text=Apple%20%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9%20%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80&lr=143&ncrnd=214 on a local search engine. Great! Now I found the http://www.apple.com/ru/buy/locator/ - reseller locator.

      And with a couple of clicks I find what I need: http://www.apple.com/ru/buy/locator/map.html?tySearch=1&viaProduct=2&viaSpecial=-1&strCountry=UKR&lat=50.45&lng=30.5233333&gCountry=UA

      But how can I find this locator without resorting to a search engine? It turns out, I have to click on "Apple Authorised Reseller" link here: http://www.apple.com/ru/buy/ Its description says: "They help you to choose Mac or iPod, provide professional consultation and technical support of Apple products" - not a word about ability to search.

      In short, Apple's web site is a #$#*@(&$^#*(&$ mess.

  3. Media Regional Sales Restrictions by muindaur · · Score: 5, Informative

    The only thing I managed to really garner from this article is this, it's about Apples country restrictions on music and movies.

    If the economist did a bit more research independently they would see it's a rights management issue from the content generators. Music and film in both the US and UK tend to restrict certain things like to their respective countries on a belief it's the only way everyone gets their dues.

    It's the reason the silly regional encoding exists for the encryption on almost every DVD; my Discovery Channel Living With Wolves DVD lacked any sort of encryption.
    Partly the irrational fear that artists won't get their rightful dues, because of currency exchange rates. Piracy fears I think are the biggest concern on the media companies not letting stuff out of the country digitally.

    Along with the fact they make probably loads licensing manufacturers in other countries to make them locally and get around tariffs.

    1. Re:Media Regional Sales Restrictions by tnok85 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Partly the irrational fear that artists won't get their rightful dues, because of currency exchange rates.

      Are you insinuating that artists currently DO get their rightful dues?

  4. Sick of this shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot: News for Apple, Apples that Matter

  5. Some zenly advice by mveloso · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sometimes when something sucks it's not them - it's you.

  6. Its because doing business in Europe costs more by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For those complaining that Apple screws over it's non-US customers, take a look at the apple store Japan. Despite the really strong yen most things in the Apple store in Japan cost about the same(esp. when you consider that the 5% tax is already included) as they do in the US store, while those in Europe tend to cost a lot more.

    Obviously part a big part of the discrepancy is the sales tax, but doing business in Europe just plain costs more. Shipping from China(where most of Apples stuff is made) to Europe is obviously more expensive than shipping to Japan or the US(largely because there isn't really a direct sea route), but thats only part of the reason.

    European consumers and employees tend to enjoy a lot more protections under the law then those in the US and Japan. For instance tt costs more to hire(and fire) the European workers that man the warehouses and shipping facilities, Apple is responsible for paying to properly dispose of all electronics it sells, European consumers can make Apple pay for a much wider range of repairs to products then can consumers in the US or Japan etc.

    Not saying whether or not these protections are good or bad, but many Europeans don't seem to realize that they certainly aren't free. If you want these protections then you are going to have to be willing to pay for them, otherwise if you want them then stuff is going to cost more, end of story.

  7. VAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Presumably the author already knows that the UK listed prices are so high because VAT is included, since they're legally required to include VAT in the advertised price....right author?

  8. Re:Not reallly wow by war4peace · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, right. Ukraine, Poland and Romania amount to over 100 million people. In Poland and Romania, there are lots of people already owning iPhones and iPads are already being sold (and no, I mean no counterfeits, the real thing, they are legit devices bought from Western Europe and sold with inflated prices). And guess what, people buy them as well.
    iTunes doesn't need large sums of money invested to make it work for these countries. But you are right, Apple "judges" and TBH, doesn't judge correctly. They CAN make money out of these countries, but they don't feel like trying. Oh well, this approach makes someone else rich anyway.

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  9. Re:Not reallly wow by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Informative

    iPad is not available for any of those stores.

    It's not available ANYWHERE outside the USA yet, it hasn't been launched anywhere else due to the fact that US demand still outstrips ability to manufacture.

    iPhone is not available for Romania in the "agreed" store.

    Because the authorised resellers for phones are networks: http://www.orange.ro/iphone/index.html QED, officially available.

    I don't care if a vendor is an "authorized reseller", all I care is to see the product at prices comparable to those in other countries.

    And I'd like a pony. Look, the iPhone is 99with a contract on that Orange.ro site. That's not a ridiculous price.

    but certainly things would improve if software store would exist for those countries.

    It does for Romania and Poland. Go into the app store and change country. They're both there.

    You're whining about nothing.