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Mpeg 7 To Include Per-Frame Content Identification

An anonymous reader writes "NEC has announced that its video content identification technology has been incorporated in the upcoming Mpeg 7 video standard, allowing for each video frame to have its own signature, meaning that even minute changes to the file such as adding subtitles, watermarks or dogtags, and of course cutting out adverts, will alter the overall signature of the video. According to NEC this will allow the owners of the video to automatically 'detect illegal copies' and 'prevent illegal upload of video content' without their consent. NEC also claims that its technology will do away with the current manual checking by members of the movie industry and ISPs to spot dodgy videos."

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  1. modest proposal by drDugan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think we should mandate legislatively that all video created should use this technology from now on. TV shows, documentaries, big hit movies, home movies, birthday parties, independent films, security cameras, everything. This way, we can clearly establish ownership of video content in all cases. Anyone who has digital video not maked per frame with ownership should be prosecuted immediately.

    Furthermore, we should mandate that all hardware created in the future, including TVs and cable boxes, computers and everything capable of reading video - all of it should only be able to play video with the new "who owns this frame" technology - otherwise, people might play video that doesn't belong to them.

    And we should include vetting of licensing terms into the hardware system; so that only with the correct license can the hardware play back the video in question.

    And we should impose fully automated reporting systems in hardware that detects and reports tampering to the local authorities. Open up that computer case and put in a non-approved, black market video driver: the machine sends and email to law enforcement. Connect a pirate cable box to your TV, and then your TV immediately stops working, and broadcasts a wireless signal that only law enforcement can detect.

    I think this technology for copyright enforcement should be placed into prosthetics that sits inside the eyeballs of everyone who wants permission to view video. These prosthetic devices could similarly verify the authenticity of videos frame by frame, check for an approved license, and send out signals to law enforcement if pirated video is detected. Approved prosthetics should be compulsory to obtaining permission to view all videos.

    Finally, we should up the penalties for copyright infringement, to instant death - basically we should have our eyeball prosthetics simply explode when unverified video is detected. /s

    1. Re:modest proposal by andi75 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would mandate the opposite legislation. Any device that's sold or rented to consumers must also include all contained cryptographic keys in an easily accessible manner (e.g. on an accompagning CD). That way it is guaranteed that consumers can always, and without limitations, accesss the data they paid for.

    2. Re:modest proposal by mb1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sure looking forward to the future when I'll be prosecuted by the patent and/or trademark holders of both 'Do Nothing' and 'Do Something' for doing something and/or doing nothing at all.

      Of course, Apple will offer their 'Doing Apple' to give us all some choice - but at the same time will sue anyone trying to 'Do Nothing' or 'Do Something' and not 'Doing Apple'...

    3. Re:modest proposal by secolactico · · Score: 3, Funny

      And bring back the Clipper Chip!

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    4. Re:modest proposal by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Finally, we should up the penalties for copyright infringement, to instant death - basically we should have our eyeball prosthetics simply explode when unverified video is detected.

      Hollywood is already way ahead of you - they've already developed "Dreck Technology" incorporated into many modern films, which can result in eyeballs exploding without the need for any prosthetics.

      Of course, they didn't do it deliberately...

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    5. Re:modest proposal by montibbalt · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course, Apple will offer their 'Doing Apple' to give us all some choice - but at the same time will sue anyone trying to 'Do Nothing' or 'Do Something' and not 'Doing Apple'...

      Not to mention all the early adopters of the first-gen iDo are gonna get screwed when the new one comes out next year

    6. Re:modest proposal by Vectormatic · · Score: 5, Funny

      iDo

      wow, i finally figured out what will kill mariage in western culture, it wont be rising divorces, or just outright oligarchy with harems, it will be an apple trademark...

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    7. Re:modest proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      In future Soviet Russia, Apple is doing YOU!

    8. Re:modest proposal by Tumbleweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hollywood is already way ahead of you - they've already developed "Dreck Technology" incorporated into many modern films, which can result in eyeballs exploding without the need for any prosthetics.
      Of course, they didn't do it deliberately...

      And amazingly, it didn't result in box office losses - Avatar made the most money of any film in history. *shrug*

    9. Re:modest proposal by dintech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't worry. That's actually a digital haircut.

    10. Re:modest proposal by grantek · · Score: 5, Funny

      OMG, you must watch kiddie porn!! Witch! Witch! Burn it!!

    11. Re:modest proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shut up. I watch kiddie porn, and I don't want to be compared to this pirating bastard.

    12. Re:modest proposal by andi75 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I didn't miss the sarcasm. I just think it's time for consumers to start making some demands of our own.

      Outlaw every single DRM measure! Outlaw copy protection, region encoding, viewing restrictions (like the annoying mandatory ads on DVDs).

      All these things are just hurting the honest paying customer, while the pirates actually get the better product.

      Also, think of the children! They can be easily influenced by scrupulous advertisers and shouldn't be forced to sit through any commercials at all (while we're at it, let's outlaw all commercials during day time programming).

    13. Re:modest proposal by RichiH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who modded you insightful instead of funny is beyond me :)

    14. Re:modest proposal by JWW · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually if we could convince the federal government to be as lax in enforcing IP laws as they are with enforcing immigration laws, we'd be in great shape.

      Its interesting that immigration laws are very very poorly enforced and yet the gov't doesn't really want to fix the situation, but the fact that someone might download a movie and watch it, omg release the hounds!!!

      Everyone in Arizona is getting all up in arms about a law asking evernone to present proof of citizenship papers. In this IP battle, they're consistently asking us to provide proof of purchase papers at every step to view content, and no one in the general public bats an eye.

      But there is one obvious parallel here. In both immigration and IP law the government we're getting is acting exactly how the big companies in control want it to.

    15. Re:modest proposal by Golddess · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Own it today on DVD and Bluray!"

      Me thinks then that a case could be made against Bestbuy and any one else who makes such a claim in advertisements.

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    16. Re:modest proposal by Lostlander · · Score: 2, Funny

      Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

    17. Re:modest proposal by andi75 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you believe you have only the right to do the things worded in the unreadable legalese you have already successfully been brainwashed.

      If you buy a movie, you get to watch/mutilate/ignore the movie. On your terms. The movie is protected by copyright, which is ment to govern *redistribution* of said movie (wholesale or in parts), and nothing else. What you're doing with it is 100% your choice.

    18. Re:modest proposal by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      Make a backup? Make a backup? Obviously you are a copyright infringing maniac. If you REALLY want a backup, then just buy another copy of the DVD, like all the other good citizens around you.

      Oh and by the way, they are not commercials. The Coming Attractions features are public service announcements regarding future purchase opportunities, and no, the FF button will not skip them. We went through a great deal of trouble to put them on the DVD, so we flagged them as unskippable.

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    19. Re:modest proposal by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its interesting because I think we have made demands. They just are not answered.

      So we continue to download mkv rips of bluray for example.

      We're just not paying attention to their offerings anymore because they have not met the demand. We've made the demands, they didnt listen.. and now we dont care.

      I do think the industry has been listening somewhat. The free DVD version of movies that come with new Bluray Releases is a nice way of listening to the public's cry about buying 1 format, and having to buy another. At least now they give you a DVD version when you buy the bluray... well at least only a few of the newer titles.

      Anyways.. The people have spoken and in order for them to find freedom, they had to become criminals.

  2. Re-encoding? by rolfwind · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't that circumvent all this? There are other standards...

    1. Re:Re-encoding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even the thought of re-encoding will result in the subject being terminated. Move along and continue consuming, citizen.

    2. Re:Re-encoding? by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That was my first thought too, but between legislation like ACTA, DMCA and increasing restrictions being placed on Fair Use rights, where they exist at all, I suspect that there is going to be a push to make transcoding a violation of something or other. Yes, it's ridiculous to load a 25GB of files from a BluRay disc onto a portable media player, but you don't *have* to transcode to play the video on the device.

      Of course, the people that are uploading cams and DVD rips to the Internet now are still going to be breaking copyright laws whatever happens, so it's not like the situation is going to change in practice, is it?

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    3. Re:Re-encoding? by qbast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course you don't have to transcode. You can ask distributor to sell you the movie again in different format. More profit!

    4. Re:Re-encoding? by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was more thinking in the line of privacy: if every frame can have a signature added, then every single copy can be "watermarked" and tracked to an individual.

      Otoh, they talk about adding subtitles etc to "completely change the signature of the video". How is that different from the current situation? Thinking of "signature" as MD5 hash or something equivalent. Any change to the file will change it's hash. This part is nothing new.

  3. Easy way to get on YouTube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So it sounds like the easy way to upload "protected" content would be a quick transcode with a slightly different bitrate, thereby removing the per frame signature, causing it to be unrecognizable by the automated checker...

  4. First of all.... by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where the fuck did MPEG 7 come from? I refuse to accept that I, sitting here in front of my 4 screens with a laser mouse, grazing the internet for Roomba cat videos, have never heard of such a thing.

    And next, MPEG is in the anti-piracy business now? What the fuck?

    Hmmm only 2 expletives up there, good things come in threes. Fuck.

    1. Re:First of all.... by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 3, Informative

      MPEG-7 is a metadata standard for multimedia. It is not involved in the actual encoding of the content (like mpeg 1, 2 and 4 are). Basically it attaches a chunk of xml to a timecode. Look up wikipedia if you want to know more.

      There also exists an MPEG-21, for those interested.

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    2. Re:First of all.... by forkazoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where the fuck did MPEG 7 come from? I refuse to accept that I, sitting here in front of my 4 screens with a laser mouse, grazing the internet for Roomba cat videos, have never heard of such a thing.

      Dude, you don't even want to know how much your mind is going to be blown when you find out that there is an MPEG-21 already. Yeah, really.

    3. Re:First of all.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, this is pretty hilarious, also your comment is a bit misinformed, but I don't really blame you for that, so here's the low down...

      MPEG-7 is a content description standard - that is, it can be used with MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 (which includes h.264 quite notably...) to add metadata to the data streams.

      Okay, so now we're talking about an NEC extension to MPEG-7 that they're trying to sell - even though MPEG-7 is largely unused right now. Also, notice I say unused now, implying the standard is done. That's because it is done. MPEG-7 isn't "going" to contain anything - it already exists! This is just an extension to it being proposed by someone who has a new patent and wants to get in the patent pool doubtless.

      Okay, now to address your comment. MPEG has nothing to do with patents or licensing. MPEG = Motion Picture Experts Group, they help design and create video standards, and they're very intelligent people. The people you want to be mad at is MPEG-LA - no relation to MPEG whatsoever except their name. MPEG-LA creates patent pools for "essential" patents and then license them to implementors, distributors, and anyone who they can convince people needs them. MPEG-LA is pretty bad, but compared to some other patent people (look at Via's licensing for AAC...) they're not so bad - first 100,000 units sold don't have to pay royalties, any freely distributed videos don't have to pay royalties. Not saying they're good, but they're just not quite as bad as everyone else out there doing patent enforcement...

      So please, don't blame the kind people a MPEG for MPEG-LA. Blame MPEG-LA themselves, http://mpegla.com/

      Sincerely,
      Your friendly codec developer/implementer

    4. Re:First of all.... by ducomputergeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ah, the friendly folks over at Red Vs. Blue did a public service anouncement about this a few years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvNeHthx3Ng

      Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go watch some MP48's on my HHD DVVDD BVD player.

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    5. Re:First of all.... by williamhb · · Score: 5, Funny

      So please, don't blame the kind people a MPEG for MPEG-LA. Blame MPEG-LA themselves, http://mpegla.com/

      It's that blasted media franchising culture again, isn't it! CSI, great. CIS-Miami, wall to wall sunglass gestures. CSI NY, ghastly. MPEG, lovely. MPEG-LA, rubbish. And you just know the next one's going to be MPEG-Hawaii or something equally horrible.

    6. Re:First of all.... by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think you meant Hawaii MPEG 5.0

  5. "You just KEEP missing the target!" by Bonker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This does bupkiss to aid consumers.

    This does very little to deter 'real' pirates who mockup fake merchandice.

    This does very little to deter downloaders.

    What it does do is try to provide a frame-by-frame signature of video, so if a video's been ripped, they know which copy it was.

    Until, of course, those in part 2 and 3 above start detecting and scrubbing that data.

    Meanwhile, you're going to charge your customers more for a product that's crippled, and therefore inferior to the pirated version.

    It's honestly like you guys are determined to kill yourselves in the most expensive, controversial way possible. May I humbly recommend the Hutchins/Carradine route instead. It's a lot more pleasant and leaves a lot less mess.

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    1. Re:"You just KEEP missing the target!" by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Funny

      What it does do is try to provide a frame-by-frame signature of video, so if a video's been ripped, they know which copy it was.

      Until, of course, those in part 2 and 3 above start detecting and scrubbing that data.

      At least the screeners we download will no longer need to have a modest portion of the image blurred to cover the serial numbers previously used to determine where the video came from.

      So actually, they may be doing the downloaders a favor.

    2. Re:"You just KEEP missing the target!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "In related news, the Chairman of Box Networks is being prosecuted for Copyright Infringement. The release of "Last Blockbuster" to P2P networks from team XYZ had the Digital Rights Information of the Chairman imprinted in every frame."

      Would be awesome that the crackers found a way to alter the information in those frames (I realize that it would be encrypted, but a man can dream...).

    3. Re:"You just KEEP missing the target!" by purpledinoz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The invisible hand of market forces is slapping the shit out of these companies. I wonder when they're going to realize that it's pointless fighting against it. Adding features that takes away value is no way to win customers. I would LOVE to PAY for an online streaming service, where I have access to all TV shows and movies with any choice of subtitles, and dubbed languages available. So far, since I'm in Germany, I found MaxDome, where I can only watch a limited selection of movies dubbed only in German, no subtitle options. What if I want to watch a movie that's not very well-known? I can either order it from Amazon, or just Google the movie title and stream it.

  6. I can't wait by masterwit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A new algorithm to crack, Math is Fun! (They don't realize that some of us do this as a passion, no I endorse fully supporting those companies that deserve it, but not everyone does this for piracy, its just a hella lotta fun to crack the reported "uncrackable".)

    Just my take, I love math.

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  7. The linked article links nowhere. by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not even a frickin' press release.

    Is somebody just trying to generate a few cheap click-throughs? A few unique hits?

    1. Re:The linked article links nowhere. by zwei2stein · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, of course they are farming unsuspecting visitors is long time /. tradition. Not that it really works.

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  8. The opposite effect? by BetterThanCaesar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I share an MPEG 7 video, the copyright holder can see that it's their video. So I add one space to the Portuguese subtitles, the checksum changes and now they cannot easily see that it's their video. Was piracy stopped or aided?

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    1. Re:The opposite effect? by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Informative
      this was my first thought as well, you could just create an app to change a single pixel on each frame to a slightly different shade. hell even just re encoding it will change it.

      plus can you imagine the processing power that would be needed to check each frame in every movie being bit torrented? yes yes, i can see now this will definately stop those pirates.....

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    2. Re:The opposite effect? by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, they just do that to annoy non-scene types.

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    3. Re:The opposite effect? by omglolbah · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Scene rar their releases because it is a convenient way to split them up into smaller chunks with easy to use quality checks.
      FTP was the primary way to transfer the files and at the start of this use of ftp there was no "resume" if something happened during transfer you had to start over on the file.
      That is a whole lot nicer when you just have to start over on a 14.3mb file as opposed to a 680mb file.

      As a side note, when using rar to package the Scene releases it is against Scene rules to use compression which further strengthens the idea that it is done for packaging
      and splitting of files with crc.

  9. The best part by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that this changes absolutely nothing whatsoever.

    Pirated videos? Invariably re-encoded into something smaller. Bam! Checksum completely obliterated!

    Videos provided by the PR firm, placed on Youtube? Invariably re-encoded into something smaller. Bam! Checksum completely obliterated!

    Videos ripped straight off the DVD or Blu-Ray disc, byte for byte, then redistributed? Data not changed! Bam! Checksum . . . completely intact!

    So as I understand it, detecting an unauthorized video with MPEG 7 means you have to download it, determine what it's actually a video of if the checksum is utterly missing, and then, even if the checksum isn't missing, determine if it was authorized. This differs from the current approach, where you have to download it, determine what it's actually a video of no matter what, and then, despite the fact that it never had a checksum which would probably be gone now anyway, determine if it was authorized.

    Can anyone out there describe a form of copyright infringement that this actually helps detect?

    One that isn't invented for the sole purpose of being detected by this technique?

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  10. How it works by scdeimos · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:How it works by Rufus211 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thanks for the link. That press release is surprisingly technical makes it clear that this has nothing to do with a successor to the MPEG4 codec / container format. It relates to:

      *2) MPEG-7 Video signature tools:
      This is an amendment to MPEG-7 Visual, a standard for content description interface for multimedia content that has been established as an international standard for identification technology of video content, as ISO/IEC 15938-3/Amd.4.

      There currently exist handful of different techniques for creating small signatures (76 bytes in this case) of a video frame. Content companies create sequences of signatures for all their videos and distribute the sequences. Youtube can then create a sequence of signatures for an uploaded file, compare it against all known sequences, and then do whatever with that knowledge.

      The MPEG group is just standardizing on one particular technique for creating the signatures, distributing them, and comparing them. In that case this is something sensable for the MPEG group to do, and isn't really good or evil.

  11. Some actual info by Anubis350 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree, a link to something like this or or this all of which came from a quick google and give some basic info on mpeg 7 and mention some content ID tech would be helpful as a real source of *something* on this new standard (that I just heard of today)! Damn it editors, do your jobs!

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  12. I'm confused... or this is super sinister. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The secret sauce proprietary algorithm in the (puff piece) TFA sounds like a file verification mechanism, in the vein of CRC, hash verification, and friends. Which is odd; because the problem of keeping digital data reasonably uncorrupt is a serious one for Big Storage type outfits, and archivists; but it hasn't been much of a concern for team content. What they've wanted is watermarks, "traitor tracing", and all that. Now, a good verification algorithm is a terrible watermark algorithm, and vice versa, period. Verification algorithms are supposed to freak out if so much as a single bit has been twiddled. Watermark algorithms are supposed to be robust against common forms of tampering and re-encoding.

    So, what's the deal?

    1. It could be that "PC Authority" has been handed an NEC press release, and can't even handle the challenge of regurgitating it properly. In which case, any speculation based on the details of TFA is pointless, if TFA is so much commercial word salad.

    2. It could also be that PC Authority is reading the NEC release more or less correctly; but the release was just blitzed out by some PR flack, and they lack the context. This is, in fact, an integrity verification technology, designed to work quickly on video streams, that will be included in some future standard, as an obscure convenience to future editors and producers and archivists who will have to deal with 10,000 hours of MPEG7 video in OMG-4k-Super-def-3D, and need to know, fast, if any of it is getting munged. It would be a super boring, highly specific part of the spec, of basically no interest to the general public; but it could be more or less true as described.

    3. And here's the sinister conspiracy theory: Where do file integrity verification and DRM come together? If, and only if, planned devices are "default deny, play signed content only". If your Blu-ray2 player simply refused to play anything that isn't a wholly unaltered copy of a commercial release, the otherwise absurd(as noted above) notion that an integrity check algorithm can serve as a piracy deterrent becomes true... It wouldn't stop cammer kiddies from playing altered copies on general purpose PCs, if those are still alive; but making "blessed only" a condition of the licencing agreement for future STB-type devices would basically kill the unsophisticated pirated disk market(barring hardware hacks on specific devices, or really stupid mistakes in media design).

    1. Re:I'm confused... or this is super sinister. by Protoslo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The truth seems to be a variation of #1: the writer at PC Authority didn't actually read the press release (alternative hypothesis: did read the release, and is not only innumerate but moderately mentally retarded), but rather made up speculative, mostly incorrect bullshit based on a blog reporting on a blog reporting on...a blog reporting on the actual press release. Like a fucked up internet game of telephone where the original source was there for the picking but still willfully ignored.

      The secret sauce actually fingerprints video frames in a way that is invariant against most common alterations, including reencoding, analog capture, and hard-subs. Minor changes to the video...will leave the signature largely unaltered. No more manual checking (or keyword-search DMCA mailings?) for copyright violations.

    2. Re:I'm confused... or this is super sinister. by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The secret sauce actually fingerprints video frames in a way that is invariant against most common alterations

      Finally, a post that actually informed me of something, with a decent link.

      OTOH, the system seems too fragile to resist any simple attack directed towards it. So if this ever gets enough attention, several tools will be created to specifically destroy the blueprint.

  13. Terrible reporting by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Informative

    Press release Let's see - 1000 hours of video = 3.6 million seconds = 108 million frames (30fps). Not 104 billion.

    The signature is just 76 bytes. But a "home class PC" is 3GHz according a to a footnote. Perhaps the reporter could have read the original press release.

    This stores the difference in luminance between subregions of frames. No idea why this needs to be encoded in the video itself. Seems that all a pirate needs to do is tweak things adequately so the signature changes. And I don't quite see how detecting changes is a feature. Surely you're trying to detect things remaining the same...

    1. Re:Terrible reporting by ElKry · · Score: 4, Informative

      And that's what it's supposed to do.

      If you read http://www.nec.com.au/News-Media/Media-Centre/Media-Releases/NEC-Develops-Video-Content-Identification-Technology-that-Detects-Illegal-Video-Copies-on-the-Internet-in-a-Matter-of-Seconds.html , you may notice that most people got this wrong, horribly wrong. This technology is aimed at accurately (they claim a 96% detection rate) detecting copies of the same video, whether they have been re-encoded, had subtitles added, or come from an analog source (cam, etc).

      The fact they mention ISPs and video hosting means that what is at stake here is the claim that "it's too expensive / impossible / whatever" to filter a video uploaded to youtube, or to megavideo, or generally speaking sent via your friendly ISP. By (supposedly) defeating this claim, they expect to make companies accountable for what the users share on their websites / lines / etc, as it becomes computationally trivial (or so they claim) to identify it - hence the mention to the 3Ghz single core home PC, something no company can claim not to be able to afford.

      I could have responded to any other slashdotter that got it wrong, but I chose you because of your last sentence, which I would have expected people would ask themselves before blindly believing anything they read. I know, I must be new here.

  14. Keep going till you have no customers by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can it detect me refusing to watch...and finding better things to do with my time than either listen to a bunch of anti-piracy propaganda, or risking 5 years in jail every time I circumvent it?

    Keep freaking going. You wanna brainwash my kids? Well every anti-piracy disclaimer I have to sit through with my kids as they grow up, I'm going to explain that uncle Disney is so concerned with his cut that he's calling you a thief and making you wait 10 minutes and watch lies equating crimes to one another that are different. Every time they want to use a tune or video snippet in a school project I'm going to explain that we can't do that because it's not worth risking going to jail or selling our house to explain to a judge that we believed it was fair use or paying thousands of dollars in extortion money. Every time they hear about a film or tv show coming out overseas months before it does here in Australia, I'm going to point out that I'd love to buy them a copy but we can't break the law and the studio refuses to sell it to me until later and for much more money. Every time a DVD store rents us scratched DVDs I'm going to point out that no one is allowed to back up them up and that the reason that we can't have more is that the DVD store is too busy taking advantage of us to care about whether or not we can actually watch the DVDs (Seriously I just had 5 out of 10 childrens DVDs - weekly movies - scratched to hell and some with cracks on their spindle have major glitches, refuse to play etc and all the DVD store would do is buff the CDs and give the same broken DVDs back - of course they didn't play)

    Keep going till you have no customers you greedy cheap exploitative pigs.

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    1. Re:Keep going till you have no customers by syousef · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have news for you, it was your kids or kids just like yours who scratched and broke the DVDs. Parents allow children to handle DVDs then they bitch about how messed up the rentals are. If you want a perfect condition DVD for your kids to mess up buy it new.

      Fuck you. My kids didn't scratch the DVDs and I don't let me kids scratch them. It is the responsibility of the video store to ensure the merchandise they are renting out is fit for purpose. Not mine and not my kids.

      If they find that me or mine have damaged the fucking things they can make me pay for the damage, but to penalise me for other people causing damage is inexcusable and your pathetic attitude enables such arseholes to do whatever they like including rip people off and pass draconian laws.

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  15. TFA is worthless, inspired by third-hand rumor by Protoslo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The firm touts the efficiency of its algorithm, saying that a bog standard PC can search through 1,000 hours video in just one second. Quite what the firm's definition of a "home-class" PC would be interesting to know as we can't quite figure out how even a dual core 3GHz box can go through the 104 billion checks for 1,000 hours of video in a mere second.

    1000 hours of video has close to 104 million frames; that would yield around 60 cycles per frame on a dual core (i.e. old) box.

    The innumeracy of the author aside, what does this technology even do? Apparently altering the video, even minutely, will alter the "signature." Much like...CRC-32...very cutting-edge. We should name this startling development; I nominate the word "hash." Stupefied by the summary and the "article," I turned to the actual press release to find out what the technology really (purportedly) does.

    1. Accurate detection of copied or altered video content Video signatures are extracted for each frame based on differences in the luminance between sets of sub-regions on a frame that are defined by a variety of locations, sizes, and shapes. Video signatures represent a unique fingerprint that can be individually detected frame by frame. This technology is capable of accurately detecting video content with that was created with such editing operations as analog capturing (*3), re-encoding (*4) and caption overlay (*5), which was conventionally very difficult to detect.
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    4. Compatibility with home PCs By designing a compact signature size of 76 bytes per frame, the storage memory required for the matching process is minimized. As a result, a home-class PC (*8) can match approximately 1,000 hours of video in 1 second.

    It turns out that a home-class PC ("A single core CPU with 3GHz clock speed was used for testing purposes. Signatures were stored in the main memory.") is able to match 1000 hours that have already been hashed in a single second. No doubt it takes considerably longer to actually calculate the signatures. The power of the algorithm is that when the video is altered (in human-recognizable ways) the signature doesn't change much. Ah, things are starting to actually make sense. The truth is (surprise!) the opposite of the linked phrase in the summary.

    This technology may allow automated, accurate matching of copyrighted video on youtube or other video sites...who cares? That is already being done, only less accurately. The law would have to change rather drastically for it to be mandated that everyone includes correct hashes in their MPEG-7 video. That is hardly necessary--I'm sure someone will spare the cycles to hash the videos and inform content owners. Like they do now...only better. Maybe next time we can all have fun panicking about the "FaceRecognition descriptor" (only the TOC/summary is free) instead. Really, the 76-byte signature is just an implementation of the metadata schema for MPEG-7. The algorithm should work for any format, however (otherwise it would be rather trivial to evade!).

    The only interesting thing I have learned is that NEC's algorithm uses robust, compactly representable edge detection (maybe) to compare short clips of video with extremely high accuracy; yay, computer science. All of this escaped Lawrence Latif, author of TFA (such as it is), who didn't see fit to RTFA himself before he started blogging his paranoid fantasies as fact. I wonder just who the "anonymous reader" that submitted the summary was?

  16. Re: 'prevent illegal upload of video content' by mrrudge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Credit card numbers are a bad example as they're a piece of information which is generally transferred securely between two parties who have motive for them to remain private. If credit card numbers were a product which was distributed to many people even one of whom fails to keep them private you would be able to access them on node B.

    Furthermore, if node B has internet access and it's user be sufficiently lacking in morals and know where to look, it's entirely possible that credit card numbers could be found from there ( as far as I understand, buyable in large batches ) and it would currently not be possible for the network to recognise and stop the movement of these bits.

  17. Re: 'prevent illegal upload of video content' by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, this won't detect anything any faster than before. As has been stated above, the metadata will just be removed (probably automatically) as part of the ripping process. Transcoding would destroy it entirely, so it would have only worked on bit for bit rips of the original stream anyway.

    It's simply another astoundingly stupid and completely ineffective idea for the media companies to waste their money on.

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  18. Re:Funny ? Or just a view of the future ? by OolimPhon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why bother? Why not just strip out everything but the actual video, and remux it into a different container like mp4/mkv/...?

    That's what everyone has available now, isn't it?

  19. owners by jDeepbeep · · Score: 3, Interesting

    According to NEC this will allow the owners of the video to automatically 'detect illegal copies' and 'prevent illegal upload of video content' without their consent.

    If I bought it, that owner is me.

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