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EU Patent Examiners Warn Parliament Will Have "No Power"

zoobab writes "The Staff Union of the European Patent Organisation sent a letter to the President of the European Parliament, warning that after the EU accedes to the European Patent Convention, there is a risk that the European Parliament would be 'circumvented' as a legislator. The European Patent Organisation is in no way a model of democracy: national patent offices are in power, there is no parliament involved in the decision-making process, and diplomatic conferences are held behind closed doors. There are plans to create a central patent court in Europe, which would operate in a democratic vacuum, not counterbalanced by any legislative assembly, in particular not the European Parliament. Such a central patent court could also validate software patents via caselaw (as the German Supreme Court recently did with the Microsoft FAT patent). And Microsoft, IBM, and SAP are lobbying in Brussels not to reopen consideration of the software patent directive."

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  1. UPLS info from http://en.swpat.org by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 5, Informative

    The United Patent Litigation System replaces the EPLA. The official justifications are that it will decrease bureaucracy and costs. As a side effect (which is the real motivation of some pushers), it will push aside the European Parliament (which threw out swpats in 2005), and give more power to the European Patent Office (which approves almost as much as the USPTO does). More details:

    1. Re:UPLS info from http://en.swpat.org by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Informative

      it will push aside the European Parliament (which threw out swpats in 2005)

      You keep repeating this in multiple threads, but it's still not true. The EU threw out patents on software per se. That's exactly the same holding as Bilski - software per se is unpatentable, but if it is tied to a computer, it is patentable both as a method and as a system. There are software patents being issued every week in the EU.

  2. Context: overall EU intellectual property agenda by FlorianMueller · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those who are interested in what kinds of initiatives the EU is planning to take in connection with intellectual property rights beyond that new patent and patent court system, here's a summary of a speech by the Commission official driving the "patent reform" effort. Keywords: data retention, ACTA, Digital Agenda, aftermath of Microsoft case, Google Street View, open standards, open content, criminal prosecution of IPR infringers, trademarks, AdWords.

  3. The EU is not simply run by a small elite by FlorianMueller · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have spent a fair amount of time in Brussels in recent years, starting with my campaign against software patents in Europe. While I understand what you mean to say with your criticism, I would disagree that the EU is inherently undemocratic, let alone antidemocratic.

    The EU is a complex construct: it's neither a federation such as the United States or Germany nor an international organization such as the World Trade Organization. It's an in-between, it's a supranational alliance of countries, and that entails a setup in which the national governments of the EU Member States still wield a lot of power. Otherwise we would have (for better or worse, which is not the question) a system more similar to that of the United States, in which the sovereignty of each state is very limited compared to that of an EU Member State.

    The original idea of a united Europe was a peace project. It was not about liberalizing markets, although even that is not necessarily against the interests of citizens. As someone who travels a lot in Europe, I can see some of the benefits that the EU has brought to citizens, such as the cap on mobile phone roaming charges that the EU imposed a few years ago.

    The complexity of the EU's structures has the effect that only a limited number of people even understand how decisions are taken. There's probably just a minority of US citizens who know exactly all of the procedural possibilities concerning conciliation between the Senate and the House (such as the "deemed passed" principle that the Democrats were considering at some point to push the healthcare bill through), but at least people in the US will know their senators and probably also their congressmen (for their constituencies). Here in Europe, people generally don't know their MEPs (Members of the European Parliament). The media don't report because Brussels seems so remote, processes are complicated and time-consuming, and even when a legislative decision is taken, it usually takes time before it gets implemented by the Member States (enshrined in national laws) -- two years is the standard period that EU directives allow for that purpose. Most of the problems that people criticize when talking about the EU's "democratic deficit" could be solved by the Fourth Estate (the media), but there's a chicken-and-egg problem because citizens don't know about "Brussels" for lack of media coverage and the media don't report much for lack of interest by their audiences.

    I also think one has to acknowledge in all fairness that the European Parliament's powers have been significantly enhanced by the Lisbon Treaty. I can understand if people say it was not enough, but there has certainly been progress, with now pretty much all decisions requiring the support of the Parliament (either through co-decision or assent procedures).

  4. Re:Required by swilver · · Score: 2, Informative

    All I can say is... good. I see no value in short-lived monopolies. I believe ideas (or tiny extensions of existing ideas in most patent cases) can occur (near) simultaneously -- in which case the patent is nothing short of paying for your own private monopoly, which can be enforced even if someone has a similar idea independently (this last bit is my main beef with patents in general).

    I'm convinced that a harder-to-use patent system is actually the reason that there's such a huge amount of florishing smaller companies in Europe -- patents are a cost of doing business, a well hidden one, but it is there. This cost can become huge if you lack the patent portfolio of the bigger fish to make closed doors deals with each other.

  5. Re:Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    What on earth are you talking about? You clearly have no real experience of filing a European patent application at all. There IS a centralized European patent office. http://www.epo.org/ When you file a European patent application, you apply through the EPO. You certainly don't need to go 'finding a patent office that WILL grant you the patent'. No national office has the power to grant you a European patent anyway. Mod parent down.

  6. Your Civil Law/Common Law comparison misses s.th. by FlorianMueller · · Score: 2, Informative

    The German legal system follows Civil Law, not Common Law. That is, the results of previous court cases are not binding on later cases. A subsequent court is bound only to follow statutory law, and has no obligation to take into consideration previous case law.

    What you don't say here is that rulings by the court that ruled on the FAT patent (the Bundesgerichtshof, which is the highest German court in all matters of civil and criminal law, above which there's only a Federal Constitutional Court, which wouldn't heart a patent case) are definitely binding, especially if a part of the ruling is defined as a "Leitsatz" ("guiding ruling"). All lower courts -- which means all courts in the country except for the aforementioned constitutional court -- have to follow those decisions. That's something you didn't mention, and it's important in this case.

  7. Re:Required by Ash-Fox · · Score: 3, Informative

    Currently, getting a patent in all of europe depends on first finding a patent office that WILL grant you the patent (which can be hard because most of 'em sit on their arse saying

    Please stop talking bullshit, I own patents myself and never had to do that, see http://www.epo.org/

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