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US Needs Secure Coding Office

Trailrunner7 writes "If the United States wants to remain competitive in the global economy and prevent widespread penetrations of its strategic, corporate, and commercial networks, enterprises and government agencies should stop relying on commercial software and go back to writing more of their own custom code. 'If we're going to maintain our place in the world, software is not a strategic problem, it is the strategic problem going forward,' security expert Marcus Ranum said in a speech Tuesday. 'Covert penetration becomes something that you think about on a five, 10, or 20-year scale. Why don't we have a government coding office? We have a government printing office. Why don't we have a strategic software reserve? Our own software is probably a greater threat to us than anything other people can do to us.'"

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  1. Agreed by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In house software for government jobs is the way to go.
    1) You own the code
    2) You're goal is to have software that works for a long time. You vendor does not share that goal. They want you to rebuy software every 5 years.

    3) It's a lot cheaper to maintain.
    4) It's written to get a job done. Once that's done, you don't have to worry about some revising the requires new hardware.

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    1. Re:Agreed by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I did. I make less money, 75K as opposed to 120K, but I get more time to enjoy my life.
      after 25 years, I was real tired of pointless 60 hour weeks and day long meetings.

      You really don't understand people. I pity someone that places all value someone could possible have on their salary.

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  2. Poor comparison by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Why don't we have a government coding office? We have a government printing office."

    That comparison is ridiculous. A proper comparison would be "We engineer our own government printing presses and copiers, why don't we engineer our own software?" But of course the government doesn't engineer printing presses...

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  3. Re:What? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2. And the shelf-life of that software "reserve" is...

    At least a few decades, isn't it? At least Maxima, Emacs and others work perfectly on my modern PC.

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  4. Re:Because we don't need one. by Nadaka · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen some of the code produced at big shops like that. Not Halliburton, but Northrop Grumman started the project I am currently working on. After they lost their last round of bidding, my employers company picked it up. They lost for very good reasons. We inherited unbelievably bad and broken code.

  5. Re:OpenBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hire the OpenBSD boys. They have a proven track record.

    SELinux has a pretty good track record too, and they wouldn't even need to outsource.

    Really that's what they ought to be doing anyway: Not rewriting internal government clones of proprietary software, but giving the spooks a mandate to improve the security of open source software, and then use that.

  6. So where does the OS come from then? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are some big reasons why this might be a good idea:
    1. Vendors have every incentive to pull the rug out from under you support-wise and make you buy their product again every few years.
    2. Having people in-house who _actually know_ everything about how a system works really helps with debugging. Oracle, for example, is the king of finger-pointing when it comes to blaming some other part of the system for crashing a database.
    3. Custom code would still have holes, but at least they wouldn't be the exact same ones being exploited in the private sector.

    There's also some really good reasons not to do it:
    1. You will still need to source an OS from somewhere. Whether $LinuxDistribution, IBM, Sun/Oracle, HP or Microsoft, ti wouldn't make sense to build a single purpose OS unless you were working on embedded systems. This OS would still have the same problem of limited-time support, publically available security exploits, and crappy support when you do get it.
    2. Government organizations are very bad with communication. At the state level, practically every department sets their own standards. How could you get agencies with very different priorities to sign on to something that centralized?
    3. Quality of code (see below.)

    I work in systems integration, and have done so for many large companies. This is the place where we take applications, figure out how they can fit together, and merge them into a platform of clients/servers/network connections/databases. Software written by in-house IT is often the biggest bug-filled, resource hogging mess to get working. This goes double if the dev work is outsourced to a provider that doesn's know about the environment the app will run in. Think about the in-house apps you use -- the order entry client that requires a dual core processor and 2 GB of RAM, or the app that crashes with no explanation or a dialog box that says "You should never see this message." It's not all that bad, and some apps actually work really well. But developer training and skill levels are all over the map. At the very least, a vendor is responsible for their code, and can be persuaded/paid to fix bugs instead of letting them fester. A vendor specializes in building software meant to be used outside of their little corner of the world, so some companies do take time to make sure bugs are fixed.

    This would work well when the field of software development matures a little more, and best practices aren't dictated by companies trying to sell you something. That's why IT has a very hard time being recognized as a branch of engineering - there's very few standard ways of doing anything. On the OS front, you have major vendors, hundreds of Linux distributions and other small players. On the database front, you have a few huge vendors that take totally different approaches.

  7. Re:Just what we need ... bring back Ada !!! by darkstar949 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It may be a niche language, but it's still really good in areas where safety is a concern. The 777 uses it for the control software - http://www.adaic.org/atwork/boeing.html

  8. Re:Not a case for tinfoil by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really though, the absence of glaring backdoors does not imply the absence of deliberate and major security flaws. Even very subtle changes could potentially have serious security implications -- even a change as subtle as the way memory is aligned (this may, for example, amplify side channels).

    General purpose commercial software packages raise a yellow flag for security as far as I am concerned. They are not necessarily a problem, but there are risks. The general purpose nature is itself a problem; a system that is intended to be used to schedule appointments should not have the capability to execute a shell, nor should it even have a shell installed. The problem with general purpose systems is that they ship with a lot of code that is never needed for a specific installation, but which an attacker could potentially make use of. This is the basic concept behind a "return to libc" attack, or more generally "arc injection."

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