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Outsourcing Unit To Be Set Up In Indian Jail

littlekorea writes "Indian outsourcing firm Radiant Info Systems has found yet another way to lower wages — hiring data entry clerks from a local prison. Some 200 inmates will be paid $2.20 a day to handle manual data entry tasks for Radiant's BPO deals in a pilot for the scheme. Radiant execs told the BBC that the deal will provide skills to inmates when they are released from prison. No doubt they would also be due for a pay raise." They're going to need to cut wages if they want to be competitive with the 100,000 US prisoners who work for 25 cents an hour.

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  1. Competitive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    $.25 an hour x 8 hours a day=$2 a day

    Seems fairly competitive to me...

    1. Re:Competitive... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

      $.25 an hour x 8 hours a day=$2 a day ... Seems fairly competitive to me...

      I wonder if they can get "fired" for screwing up their data entry, or if they just get moved from the "entering banking data" group to the "entering climate change data" group?

    2. Re:Competitive... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FTFA:

      The outsourcing centre will handle banking information 24 hours a day

      Poster asks:

      I wonder if they can get "fired" for screwing up their data entry, or if they just get moved from the "entering banking data" group to the "entering climate change data" group?

      If they do it right, they'll be able to BUY their way out of jail.

      People will be breaking INTO jail to better do identity theft.

  2. 25 cents? Not in the feds... by droopus · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just came home from a lovely four year stay at a fed prison. Yes, you can eventually make $.25 an hour, but you have to work up to that.

    See federal (BOP) pay scales here.

    FPI (UNICOR) is the prison industries. Read: slave labor for government profit. At the facility I was at there was a data processing factory, fixing bad OCR scans by entering Postscript commands.

    However, anyone with any computer skills was forbidden from working there, so my job was Captain's Crew...cleaning the sidealks for half hour every day. Nice use of my MCSE, no?

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    1. Re:25 cents? Not in the feds... by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Prison. Where they teach you that honest hard labour gets you next to nothing.

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    2. Re:25 cents? Not in the feds... by droopus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh huh. And everyone that ends up in prison:

      A) Deserves fully to be there, and

      B) Was treated fairly and justly by the US Justice system.

      No disrespect intended at all, but you have much to learn. I hope your lesson isn't as difficult as mine was. The justice system in this country is insane and grossly unfair.

      The US has 3% of the world's population and 25% of it's prison population. Numerically and per capita, we have the highest prison population on the planet...and that includes China..a tougher regime that is three times our size.

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    3. Re:25 cents? Not in the feds... by droopus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Only from people who actually believe what they see on TV. Prison can be very violent, but that stupid "don't bend over for the soap" stuff doesn't happen. In fact, even suggesting it is a good way to get shanked.

      CSI, Law and Order, Prison Break, etc are utter propaganda.

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    4. Re:25 cents? Not in the feds... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That sounds like the old arguments for slavery...

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    5. Re:25 cents? Not in the feds... by sharkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nice use of my MCSE, no?

      Perhaps they had sufficient skill and experience on-staff to handle any Solitaire and Minesweeper issues that came up.

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  3. scary thought by Paul+Rose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Radiant: we're a little short on staff -- think you could raise the penalty for jaywalking?
    Congressman: can do!

    1. Re:scary thought by TheRon6 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Radiant: we're a little short on staff -- think you could raise the penalty for jaywalking?

      Congressman: can do!

      This exact sort of thing is already happening in the U.S. except rather than keeping people in prison to make them work, the prison lobby wants to keep people in prison for the sake of needing to build more prisons. We've got both the prisons' investors and prison guard unions constantly lobbying for harsher punishments for lesser offenses. It's a scary to think that it's profitable for anyone to lock people up and throw away the key...

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    2. Re:scary thought by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not really a joke. Post civil war, that's basically what they did to get the newly emancipated back in their place, where possible. All sorts of crimes ("vagrancy") and the like, heavy enforcement against the undesirables, and then lease the resulting convicts out as cheap slave labor to various upstanding local businesses.

      All perfectly legal and above board.

      These days, of course, we have the private, for-profit prison, a truly brilliant institution. The outfits that run these are very reliable "law-and-order" lobbyists, and there was even a case a while back where they were paying a judge a per-inmate kickback for, shall we say, "referrals"...

  4. Re:Skills... by droopus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The feds have NO interest whatsoever in providing skill training, no matter what their propaganda tells you. At the FCI where I was, inmates typically slept till lunch, signed false pay sheets claiming 40 hours worked. They thought they were getting over, but it's actualy the feds, who can provide "proof" of "gainfully employed inmates."

    But it's a scam. The BOP/DOJ has a vested interest in the 75% recidivism rate...it keeps the beds full and the $30,000 a year per inmate flowing nicely. Most inmates sleep till lunch, play basketball or softball in the afternoon, and watch TV and gamble all night.

    Look, my unit had nine televisions (big flat screens, full cable, Netflix movies twice a week) and four toilets for 150 guys. Total in the facility? 1,800 inmates in regular population housed in 6 units, with a total of 48 toilets and 108 televisions. What's wrong with this picture?

    Skills training my ass. Try getting a job with nothing on your resume but "data entry and basic Office." And that's for the tech/UNICOR jobs! It's like a health club..once they have you, they want you to keep coming back. Again and again. No skills? You're probably going to reoffend.

    Step 3: Profit!

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  5. Re:Trying to remain "competitive" I guess... by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm sick to death of calling into some company for support and struggling mightily to understand the person on the other end.

    I realize that English is not these folks primary language, and for it being ESL for them, they do a good job. But when I call in for support to a company "based in the US", damnit, I expect to hear a US voice.

    Except that a "US voice" doesn't necessarily help.

    I've called technical support lines and gotten someone with an impossibly thick southern drawl before. At least that's what I assume it was. Maybe they were drunk. Regardless, it was clear that they were from the southern US, but I couldn't understand half of what they were saying.

    Why is a clear speaking voice not a requirement for these positions?

    I don't care where you're located geographically, as long as you can speak clearly.

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  6. Re:Skills... by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The feds have NO interest whatsoever in providing skill training, no matter what their propaganda tells you. At the FCI where I was, inmates typically slept till lunch, signed false pay sheets claiming 40 hours worked. They thought they were getting over, but it's actualy the feds, who can provide "proof" of "gainfully employed inmates."

    But it's a scam. The BOP/DOJ has a vested interest in the 75% recidivism rate...it keeps the beds full and the $30,000 a year per inmate flowing nicely. Most inmates sleep till lunch, play basketball or softball in the afternoon, and watch TV and gamble all night.

    Look, my unit had nine televisions (big flat screens, full cable, Netflix movies twice a week) and four toilets for 150 guys. Total in the facility? 1,800 inmates in regular population housed in 6 units, with a total of 48 toilets and 108 televisions. What's wrong with this picture?

    Skills training my ass. Try getting a job with nothing on your resume but "data entry and basic Office." And that's for the tech/UNICOR jobs! It's like a health club..once they have you, they want you to keep coming back. Again and again. No skills? You're probably going to reoffend.

    Step 3: Profit!

    That's what happens when state and federal governments contract out such a basic thing as their prison systems. To the government and government-run prisons, prisoners are nothing but an expense so the fewer, the better. To the private companies, each prisoner represents profit so the more the merrier.

    Certainly I can understand the government buying items on the open market such as automobiles, ships, airplanes, office stationery, electricity, etc. I hardly expect them to mine their own ore, smelt it, forge it, and make their own products, to run their own paper mills, or maintain their own electrical grids. Yet a line does need to be drawn someplace because things like prisons are rightly an unwanted expense. I propose that the government can freely purchase any needed goods (including units of energy like kilowatt-hours) but must perform all services itself, carried out by individuals who are government employees.

    No one should have a vested interest in a high recidivism rate, particularly not when large sums of money are involved. It does not serve society's interests. Further, I bet they're fine with high recidivism until a crime happens to them. Any such entity with vested interests like this is a parasite that feeds off the failing of others. These parasites are state-sponsored.

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  7. IT + Prison? by Ubiquitous+Bubba · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait a minute. My cubicle feels like a cell. My wardrobe is defined by Corporate Goons. At the whim of a bureaucrat, I can be sent, against my will, anywhere in the country. Many time's, I've been awakened in the middle of the night by alarms and screaming. (Usually, the voices are saying things like, "The servers are down!" or "My Email is gone!") Have I been in prison all along? That would explain some of the meetings... Well, no more! There's no cage that can hold me! I'm bustin' outta here. Here's the plan. Just after the morning scrum meeting, you throw a paper airplane to distract the guard. I'll slip under the raised floor. I've got a plastic spoon from the break room, so I'll dig a tunnel. If we do this every day for the next 40 - 50 years, we'll make it out!

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  8. Re:Here's the world's smallest violin... by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Intentionally taking out of context and twisting your words here:

    Once again...3% of the world's population, 25% of its prison inmates. Do you not understand this? Do you really think the US is a nation of felons?

    Well since the numbers seem to bear that out, yes. Obviously since you are one too I will believe what you say about that and take it as truth ;)

    though I always thought Australia was the nation of felons...

    Back in reality, yes our system is fscked up like no other. I really wish for three things:
    1) put back the support structure (mental health, training, etc.) that we used to have in prisons before privatization.
    2) put the prison system back under federal control (not outsourced to private companies)
    3) a pony.

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  9. Because punishment should never stop by abulafia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMHO, any felon should be stripped of their MCSE, or any other IT or engineering certification, and not allowed to get another for at least 10 years after release ... 10 years of scraping sidewalks on the outside!

    And you'll ensure that people who offend will go on to reoffend, and your precious tax dollars will go to keeping them locked up and and a net cost to everyone (instead of using that MCSE to stay out of jail, pay taxes and make the world a better place).

    The single worst thing you can do to encourage someone to go straight is to remove hope that they can improve their lot. Hey, if you just got out and your lot was to scrape sidewalks while also dealing with the stress of caring for yourself with no hope of improving things, why the hell not reoffend. If you don't get away with it, your job doesn't suck any less and you don't have to worry about rent, and your life is already ruined, so fuck it.

    It boggles the mind that some folks are so completely stupid about things like this the minute the word 'criminal' is uttered. And that's before we get to all of the inequities of our criminal justice system and the institutionalized perverse incentives _not_ having to do with Skapare's apparent personal interest in wasting human capital, increasing misery and wasting their tax money in order to keep people from earning an honest living.

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