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The Futurama of Physics

MasaMuneCyrus writes "I was surprised to notice an article about Futurama in my latest American Physical Society news. Titled, 'Profiles in Versatility: The Futurama of Physics with David X. Cohen,' Cohen talks a little bit about his life and his love for physics, and he goes on to describe how he regularly injects graduate-level physics jokes into the script of Futurama. He also talks a little bit about the upcoming season of Futurama: 'In the 10th episode of the upcoming season, tentatively entitled "The Prisoner of Benda," a theorem based on group theory was specifically written (and proven!) by staffer/PhD mathematician Ken Keeler to explain a plot twist.'"

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  1. Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does the physicist-turned-comedy icon have any regrets? "What I do is ultimately not similar to physics or computer science," Cohen admits. "I would like to have lived two lives, to be a scientist in one... So of course I have regrets. Science is more important than what we do, although I do get a lot of satisfaction out of my work."

    Surely you must take some solace or pride in the fact that the genre of sci-fi entertainment often sparks the scientist in people? And if it doesn't get them to become scientists, it at least drives a curiosity. Were it not for the enjoyment of many sci-fi novels as a kid, I would not be so interested in science and computers. Many older engineers I've worked with have given Star Trek a lot of credit for their early intrigue with physics. Surely Cohen can consider the cult popularity of Futurama and its return as a potential to be an enduring piece of entertainment that serves as a pilot light for young minds. Even though many of the Stanislaw Lem novels I read were humor or political satire, they caused me to wonder ... "what if?" Futurama makes physics entertaining and funny. Some would consider that very valuable as there's very little material out there that does that.

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    1. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

      >>>the genre of sci-fi entertainment often sparks the scientist in people?

      That is what Isaac Asimov said. Of course he continued to be a Physics professor, but he also wrote more entertainment books than any other SF writer. (Over 300 if I recall correctly.) He said science fiction sparked young people's imaginations, as well as problem-solving abilities, and that curiosity was a key component for any successful science student.

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    2. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

      P.S.

      >>>Star Trek a lot of credit for their early intrigue with physics.

      I wanted to be like Scotty or Geordi, but neither is really an engineer as it turns out. i.e. They don't design. They are more like technicians, trying to keep the existing systems (which some other engineer built) operational. I should have been that, instead of studying engineering. I think it would be more fun.

      Oh well.

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    3. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by PakProtector · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, lemme get this straight: You have to design to be an Engineer?

      I better go inform all those Doctorates in my department they're not Engineers...

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    4. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by LoyalOpposition · · Score: 3, Informative

      That is what Isaac Asimov said. Of course he continued to be a Physics professor...

      Biochemistry, actually. Perhaps you're thinking of Richard Feynman.

      ~Loyal

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    5. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by srothroc · · Score: 4, Informative

      He was a chemistry professor and he actually stopped being a full-time one when his writing career began to take off and he got too busy for it. Of course, his career included tons of educational books such as The World of Carbon and lots of quality, lesser-known annotations.

    6. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by Duradin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why would Starfleet put their ship designing engineers out in the middle of nowhere on already built and functioning starships? That'd be like putting the engineering (engine-ering) crew behind a desk with some paper and drafting tools.

       

    7. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by Sulphur · · Score: 2, Funny

      Surely you are joking, Mr. Asimov.

    8. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Those guys who drive trains? Yeah.

      There have always been "design engineers" and "line engineers". Not all engineers design - many, perhaps most, keep complicated systems working properly (often manufacturing lines), but even line engineers do ad-hoc design from time to time, especially an engineer for something that gets shot at.

      Of course, you're not a "real" engineer unless you roll explosives up to the castle gate under a hail of arrows - all those guys calling themselves engineers for the past 400 years are just posers, not to be taken seriously. ;)

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    9. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by selven · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree. Quite a few episodes have Scotty or Geordi finding a novel solution to a problem, and Scotty did invent the equations of teleporting onto a ship at warp. Sure, their day to day jobs are about fixing and maintaining, but they do show themselves as creative engineers when the time comes for it.

    10. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by Protoslo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would agree that you have to design to be an engineer, but if you think that the Star Trek engineers don't design...you obviously haven't watched much Star Trek. Their skills are frequently called upon to design MacGuffins virtually from scratch that violate the laws of physics in innumerable ways. Not only are they engineers, they are cutting-edge theoretical (imaginary?) physicists.

      And you want to call LaForge a technician? Ouch.

    11. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by Movi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, but O'Brien got promoted to engineer at DS9, and he scored a pretty hot asian!

    12. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by Surt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because running into a critical design flaw that can only be fixed by a designer while a thousand light years from the nearest designer sucks? It's the same reason a space shuttle designer has flown on every mission.

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    13. Re:Cohen Should Abstain from Any Regret by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, lemme get this straight: You have to design to be an Engineer?

      I better go inform all those Doctorates in my department they're not Engineers...

      Do they solve practical problems?

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  2. Hey, how about you concentrate on the *comedy*? by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was a huge fan of the series, but those movies were pretty atrocious. I'm not sure if they went with different writers, or maybe they were just off their game, but I sure hope the new season gets the old groove back. The math and physics jokes are funny, though, but even those seemed to be missing from the movies.

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  3. Re:that was impressive by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love hypnotoad. I always have and always will.

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  4. Re:Futurama's still on? by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought FOX (bastards!) canceled that show over 5 years ago [...]

    The bastards at Fox did cancel the show. The new episodes are going to run on Comedy Central.

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  5. Re:that was impressive by shadowrat · · Score: 5, Informative

    that goes without saying. everyone loves hypnotoad.

  6. Re:Futurama's still on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's Friday night. I have no date, a bottle of Shasta, and an all Rush mix tape.

  7. Re:Futurama's still on? by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought FOX (bastards!) canceled that show over 5 years ago

    They cancelled it. Internet community cried out it never had a chance with its programming and how it was the next evolution of the simpsons (they were getting old, and futurama connected with the upcoming technological revolutions), so after a few years (7 or so) they brought out movies of Futurama on DVD only to test the success and keep it alive resulting in 4 Futurama movies.

    The DVD success has given them enough momentum to restart the series; first new episode will be aired the 24th this month if I recall this alright.

    So, to me it's not that strange to see Futurama more in the media again and get it more weight at relaunch by showing the intelligence in it in science magazines and other media to draw in attention of people who would enjoy the humor alike.

    I for one, am rejoicing! 10 years ago I enjoyed this series and devoured it, but maybe the world wasn't ready for it yet.

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  8. Re:that was impressive by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

    ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!

                           

  9. Comedy vs. drama by sbjornda · · Score: 2, Funny
    From the article:

    Because Futurama is a comedy and not a drama like Star Trek

    Star Trek not a comedy? Why didn't someone tell me I wasn't supposed to laugh?

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  10. Degrees by MrTripps · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Cohen has a bachelor’s degree in physics from Harvard and a master’s degree in computer science from UC Berkeley" He obviously has too many degrees that he isn't using and is a detriment to the American economy. (snark)

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  11. Re:that was impressive by lgw · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://r33b.net/

    ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!

                                   

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  12. My favorite line from Futurama... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    From episode 2-16, The Deep South, as the crew of the Planet Express ship are plunging to the bottom of the ocean...

    Leela: "Depth at 45 hundred feet... 48 hundred, 50 hundred. 5,000 feet."
    Professor: "Dear lord! That's over 150 atmospheres of pressure!"
    Fry: "How many atmospheres can the ship withstand?"

    wait for it...

    Professor: "Well, it's a spaceship... so I'd say anywhere between zero and one."

    1. Re:My favorite line from Futurama... by RasputinAXP · · Score: 4, Funny

      My favorite was from Luck of the Fryrish:

        * Horse race announcer: It's a quantum finish! And the winner is-(Man holds up a board with the winning horse on it)

              Horse race announcer: Harry Trotter!
              Professor Farnsworth: No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!

    2. Re:My favorite line from Futurama... by dangitman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who knows what unit of measure the Futurama "atmosphere" is? Maybe it's based on the highest-pressure known planet!

      Leela and the Professor gives us the answer when she says they're at 5,000 feet, and the Professor says that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure. Under salt water, approximately 33 feet of additional depth increases pressure by one atmosphere. (5000/33)-1=150.5 atmospheres. So it seems pretty clear they are using they same units we do.

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  13. Good news, everyone! by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've invented a device that sneaks nerdy physics jokes into primetime programming!

    ...I've also invented a machine that makes you read this aloud in your head, in my voice!

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  14. Physics jokes are fun, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Physics jokes are fun for physicists, but there seems to be a lack of technology/computers-related jokes in the movies.

    Who can forget the easy "10 home, 20 sweet, 30 goto 10" joke from the first (was it the first?) episode, the "two reels of tape look like boobs" painting/poster, the nightmare of Bender "and I think I saw a TWO in there!", etc. It's fine to make obscure jokes that only 5% of the viewers will get (old hardware or stuff like that perhaps), just like not everyone gets all the physics jokes.

    One exemple would be "Hey Fry, can I borrow 150 dollars? Sorry Bender, I only have 144. Oh, I can't store 144, that's where my speech processor is at.". The reference (of course) is the 220h default address of the Sound Blaster (220 hexadecimal = 144 decimal).

    Not sure if time-travel paradoxes jokes are considered physics jokes, but I like those too.

    They could also play with logic, similar to those fake Veridian Dynamics ads in Better Off Ted. Watch "Friendship. It's the same as stealing." to see what I mean. It's logic and you can almost agree with all their points up until the end. Reminds me of the crazy MPAA ads before movies.

    P.S.: we want more Amy! Half-naked Amy acting cute, charming and clumsy!

    1. Re:Physics jokes are fun, but... by EvanED · · Score: 2, Informative

      Oh, I can't store 144, that's where my speech processor is at.". The reference (of course) is the 220h default address of the Sound Blaster (220 hexadecimal = 144 decimal).

      You might want to check your math on that.

    2. Re:Physics jokes are fun, but... by hkz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Slashdot makes up for it by posting an X-Fry, X-Leela, X-bender or other header with every HTTP response. If you know it or not, you've received thousands of these witticisms (unless you're New Here.) X-Fry: Leela, Bender, we're going grave-robbing. X-Fry: Hooray, we don't have to do anything! X-Fry: I haven't had time off since I was twenty-one through twenty-four. X-Fry: How can I live my life if I can't tell good from evil?

    3. Re:Physics jokes are fun, but... by damnfuct · · Score: 3, Informative

      What they meant to say is that 220h = 144 in base-6.887363549594899...

  15. Re:An equation with two unknowns by pclminion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So the humor here is that it's paradoxical to want to solve a single equation with two variables? Or am I being too geeky here? After all, the solution is *trivial*...

    Is it? It's quite possible that that equation has no solutions in the reals, though I can't be assed to work it out right now. Given Cohen's penchant for deep mathematical jokes, I wouldn't be surprised if the value of B is complex.

    An equation with only complex solutions, where the solutions are supposed to be physical quantities, can in some sense be said to be "unsolvable," or rather, it has no true physical meaning because its solutions are not physical.

  16. Re:An equation with two unknowns by Zordak · · Score: 2, Informative

    An equation with only complex solutions, where the solutions are supposed to be physical quantities, can in some sense be said to be "unsolvable," or rather, it has no true physical meaning because its solutions are not physical.

    Any time you put a capacitor or an inductor in a circuit, you have just created an equation with only complex solutions, with true physical meaning. The real portion is magnitude and the imaginary portion is a phase shift. If I remember my mechanical stuff correctly, the same thing happens when you put a spring or a dashpot in a mechanical system.

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