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Linux 2.6.34 Released

diegocg writes "Linux 2.6.34 has been released. This version adds two new filesystem, the distributed filesystem Ceph and LogFS, a filesystem for flash devices. Other features are a driver for almost-native KVM network performance, the VMware balloon driver, the 'kprobes jump' optimization for dynamic probes, new perf features (the 'perf lock' tool, cross-platform analysis support), several Btrfs improvements, RCU lockdep, Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (RFC 5082) and private VLAN proxy arp (RFC 3069) support, asynchronous suspend/resume, several new drivers and many other small improvements. See the full changelog here."

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  1. a filesystem for flash devices by deathcow · · Score: 5, Funny

    > a filesystem for flash devices

    here we go again, unless we stop supporting flash, Apple has refused to distribute dual-boot Linux enabled iPads

    1. Re:a filesystem for flash devices by hellop2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is that a joke?

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    2. Re:a filesystem for flash devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. Flash support is in Linux and Apple indeed refuses to distribute dual-boot Linux enabled iPads.

    3. Re:a filesystem for flash devices by jo_ham · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm more concerned that this is a slashvertisment for Linux.

      Slashdot used to be about news for nerds, stuff that mattered!

      How far it has fallen.

    4. Re:a filesystem for flash devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      One of the new features of 2.6.34 kernel is Woooooosh owerflow protection

    5. Re:a filesystem for flash devices by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, it's a kdawson post - he's notorious for posting Slashvertisements for the latest brand of rip off Snake Oil. I mean, "Linux", come on, what's that supposed to be? Some shoddy knock off of BSD/MacOS Unix? I bet it's just the periscope of a Microsoft patent submarine.

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    6. Re:a filesystem for flash devices by NekSnappa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Due to the Doppler effect, the number of o's in the word "Whoosh (nominal spelling)" depends on the height above the observers head that the joke passed.

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  2. KVM by VTI9600 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Other features are a driver for almost-native KVM network performance

    KVM is fantastic virtualization technology, yet Xen gets all the hype these days. Why? Paravirtualization is pretty cool stuff, but seriously, what CPU's are made without some type of hardware-assisted virtualization support?

    1. Re:KVM by IBBoard · · Score: 4, Informative

      Erm, quite a lot? Intel use it as one of their distinguishing factors between upper and lower tier chips (albeit one that they put in data sheets but don't make overly obvious).

    2. Re:KVM by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Informative

      Other features are a driver for almost-native KVM network performance

      KVM is fantastic virtualization technology, yet Xen gets all the hype these days. Why? Paravirtualization is pretty cool stuff, but seriously, what CPU's are made without some type of hardware-assisted virtualization support?

      Xen doesn't get all the hype. From what I've seen everyone is ditching xen and redhat is leading the way. Not that I mean to imply that xen deserves to get ditched, it's great too.

    3. Re:KVM by VTI9600 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm sure you are disappointed that your 200Mhz Pentium Pro doesn't support vt-x, but the rest of the world owns (or will soon purchase) processors that do. To see what I mean, just go to newegg.com. 63 out of the 76 (83%) desktop-class processors they sell have virtualization technology built in. 78 out of the 80 (98%) of the server-class (ones that really matter) processors they sell support it.

      And, if you still don't believe me, check out this page on Wikipedia for a list of the Intel processors that support VT-X. Among the crapload of processors listed, you'll notice that 100% of their newest, i3, i5 and i7 processors have virtualization support.

    4. Re:KVM by Calinous · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you want an inexpensive chip, you should carefully check Intel's support for virtualization - by example, some of the E7400 and E7500 had it, some didn't. Same for E5400 and E5300 (some have it, some don't).

    5. Re:KVM by icebraining · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah, but then you have dick moves like my CPU supporting VT (AMD Neo) but being disabled by the Bios with no option to enable it. Thanks HP!

    6. Re:KVM by arth1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think Redhat's dropping of Xen for KVM is as much politics as anything else. In the eyes of business, Xen = Citrix, and if going for Xen, why not go for Citrix?

      Personally, I'm very pleased with Xen except for the qemu IO performance. Setting the host's block device schedulers to noop (for linux guests) or deadline (for Windows guests) helps, but high host IO load still makes it very hard to do advertised features like instant failover using an NFS-hosted container.

    7. Re:KVM by coryking · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You put your virtualization on the new machines not on the hand-me-down stuff, silly. Your old machines weren't speced for them. You need to run the thing on a box that can take a crap-ton of RAM, has really fast I/O, and depending on the load, has the ability to take a NIC per VM.

      "Virtualization is supposed to CUT costs, not incur new hardware costs"

      It does cut costs... it cuts hardware costs by allowing you to buy fewer servers. Instead of buying new servers for DNS, LDAP, Web, and Email, you can buy one server, one license for the virtualization software, and consolidate the whole mess.

      Cutting costs doesn't always imply using hand-me-down hardware. If the CPU doesn't have hardware VM built on it, it isn't an ideal candidate for serving virtual machines period. Those old servers might just have to sold on craigslist to some web-shop looking for extra web servers to shove behind their load balancer.

      PS: This is one reason businesses lease servers instead of buy them. It makes it easy to cycle out the old junk every few years.

    8. Re:KVM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where do you get the idea that Debian doesn't support Xen? I use it in Debian on a daily basis.

      From my desktop running Squeeze:

      $ apt-cache search xen-
      aide-xen - Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment - static binary for XEN
      dtc-xen-firewall - A small firewall script for your dom0
      libjaxen-java-doc - Java XPath engine - documentation
      libjaxen-java - Java XPath engine
      libxen-dev - Public headers and libs for Xen
      xen-docs-3.4 - Documentation for Xen
      xen-hypervisor-3.4-amd64 - The Xen Hypervisor on AMD64
      xen-hypervisor-3.4-i386 - The Xen Hypervisor on i386
      xen-utils-3.4 - XEN administrative tools
      xen-utils-common - XEN administrative tools - common files
      xenwatch - Virtualization utilities, mostly for Xen

      I get the same return when running the same command on my laptop which runs Sid, and a couple of servers running Lenny. If Debian's abandoned Xen, then someone should tell the Debian devs about it, as they are still supporting it and seemingly have no thought of dropping for at least a couple of years seeing how Xen is in both Squeeze and Sid.

      If I had not made the search look specifically for packages that include xen- it would have showed the kernels that support dom0 and many other packages related Xen, but then the list would have been too long for posting here.

    9. Re:KVM by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Virtualization is supposed to CUT costs, not incur new hardware costs.

      It's not even remotely uncommon for overall cost-cutting to require additional up front expenses.

    10. Re:KVM by ckaminski · · Score: 4, Informative

      KVM is not controlled by any company, and is done the "right way" according to Linus and friends.

      Whereas Xen is nominally controlled by Citrix.

      Either way, both are GPL and both are compatible with libvirt so it seems a moot point. Use whatever your distro comes with.

      What I really want is OpenVZ in the Kernel. Sometimes, I just want a lightweight VM...

    11. Re:KVM by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't speak for HP; but some of Dell's recent laptops appear to have had BIOSes written by either crack addled monkeys, or shareware programmers from 1995 equipped with VB6 -> assembly converters.

      The E6500, for instance, supposedly a solid business-class laptop, was announced August 12, 2008. As of January 25, 2010, it had enjoyed its twentieth BIOS update.

    12. Re:KVM by oatworm · · Score: 3, Informative

      We have a bunch of HPs in the office that I thought had this problem too. However, it turns out HP hides the VT-X enable flag under the Security Options in the BIOS (I can only imagine how that makes any sense, but whatever), at least on their desktop machines. Could be worth a look.

  3. All Very Nice But... by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is the RT2500-based chipset working reliably now?

    The developers switched to a new driver model because it's "better".

    If "better" means once-working wifi chipset becomes grossly unstable, previous drivers are considered "legacy" hence will not compile on kernels later that 2.6.29 and current drivers are as stable as a "one-legged man playing football".

    A few years later and 2.6.34 is released - is it working yet?

    Considering the RT2500 chipset is present many wifi products the current state of "stability" is woefully inadequate.

    (and don't get me started on f***ed up i845 drivers for xorg! - worked fine under previous kernels & xorg an update later by both - graphics performance royally screwed and many crashes)

    Apart from that - happy Linux user for over 10 years!

    1. Re:All Very Nice But... by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is the RT2500-based chipset working reliably now?

      Here's how the dismal state of support for that chipset was explained to me.
      The answer is probably that mine has worked for years and yours hasn't. The really annoying thing is a lot of slightly different things have come out under that name and even under MS Windows if you don't use the driver that came with it you are stuffed - a driver for another undocumented variant won't help.

    2. Re:All Very Nice But... by HateBreeder · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is that the RT2500 chipset is proprietary, closed-source that's "maintained" by a Taiwanese manufacturer who doesn't care about his users at all and only wants to sell cheap hardware and as much of it as possible.

      Why would you get quality, polished drivers that are updated to support newer paradigms in newer kernels if the manufacturer isn't cooperating?

      I think it's magic that these drivers work at all.

      Next time, buy better kit with a reputable mfr that cares about linux support.

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    3. Re:All Very Nice But... by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem for me is that the "legacy" drivers were rock solid and I never thought about it until kernel 2.6.30 & greater were released.

      My wifi was ultra-reliable under the "legacy" drivers.

      Since the newer drivers were released I have had nothing but problems.

      What changed between old and new drivers?

    4. Re:All Very Nice But... by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because as a Linux user I have become quite accustomed to things "just working".

      Unfortunately, wireless destroys that notion, causing irritation (though my thinkpad T500 shows me how it is when the stuff does work, and it's great).

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    5. Re:All Very Nice But... by mrpacmanjel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Generally Linux works very well.

      For me the two biggest problems seems to be wifi & graphics cards.

      ATI decided my r300-based card was legacy and discontinued it via the closed-sources drivers. I'm screwed(thankfully the open source drivers are ok but nowhere near as fast).

      RT2500 - I could download the source of the serialmonkey drivers and compile them. Great it works fine and did that with every distro upgrade.

      Then these drivers were abandoned and all focus is now on the in-kernel version and stability has suffered ever since.

      I would have thought the maintainers could have adapted the legacy driver to work with the new kernel - even as a temporary solution.

      Then again Linux is a "server" OS and seen that way from the kernel maintainers.

    6. Re:All Very Nice But... by stsp · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is that the RT2500 chipset is proprietary, closed-source that's "maintained" by a Taiwanese manufacturer who doesn't care about his users at all and only wants to sell cheap hardware and as much of it as possible.

      Well, actually, Ralink has for a long time been providing documentation to open source developers writing drivers for their devices, without requiring an NDA.

    7. Re:All Very Nice But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me clear it up for you. "Open source" means "If you come bitching and moaning to me that I haven't freely given you enough of my time already, while being too Goddamn lazy to make any contributions of your own, then I will mock you back into the Stone Age."

      So the original post was someone whining to you personally about linux drivers? The guy asked a general question about a driver with some odd history. Either respond like a normal human being or shut the hell up.

    8. Re:All Very Nice But... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Applying that argument to Linux is retarded.

      Uhh... why?

      What, you think the driver model, network stack, etc, in Linux is 100% static and will never, ever change?

      The only reason you think it's "retarded" is because Microsoft likes these big splash releases every five years, while Linux is constantly evolving, and that means if the driver model changes, it could very well be between minor revision numbers (which aren't actually minor).

    9. Re:All Very Nice But... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except they did work, and worked better, in the last version. The kernel maintainers swapped out the working version for a flakey version, and now have made enough changes that the working version won't work even if you compile it in manually.

      Did it occur to you to actually read the post you were replying to? This was in all there, not behind a link or anything.

    10. Re:All Very Nice But... by Randle_Revar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      >ATI decided my r300-based card was legacy and discontinued it via the closed-sources drivers. I'm screwed(thankfully the open source drivers are ok but nowhere near as fast).

      ATI/AMD abandoned those cards not only because they where old, but also specifically because the OSS drivers for them were complete, if not that fast. They wouldn't have dropped them otherwise.

  4. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    With releases like these, it's no wonder M$ is getting worried. Been running this kernel a while now on our production servers (even from before it it was tagged release, I like running bleeding edge in order to get the most performance from my company's hardware investment) and save from a few data corruptions issues, it's been rock stable! I have to play with the new KVM support later on one of the servers with the least amount of customers on it (couple of hundreds), looks nice!

    Sadly... it looks like my company is looking at going with Windoze for a few important servers because of a few outtages. I know it was because of faulty hardware, because I had just compiled a custom kernel for those servers with just the right flags needed (I want to get the most performance!) but this must have triggered a hardware bug because the kernel worked fine on my work laptop. Sigh...

    Anyway, keep up the good work!

    1. Re:Excellent by cduffy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      seriously, how many system administrators even take their time to compile custom kernels nowadays for maximum performance?

      That's a bug, not a feature.

      "Maximum performance"? If it's storing customer data, I want a kernel that's had heavy automated testing, a full round of manual QA, and validation by my hardware vendor, thank you very much.

    2. Re:Excellent by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't put bleeding edge or custom kernels on production servers without seriously heavy testing. You would not run production stuff on a windows beta release would you? It's the same thing.

      Stick to proper releases of good distributions and customize as little as possible. You will get a system many times more stable than anything MS has ever come up with.

    3. Re:Excellent by shish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why are all the replies to this comment seeming to take it seriously? :-|

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    4. Re:Excellent by linuxgurugamer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Huh? You are running unreleased kernels, you _admit_ that you have "data corruptions issues" and you claim "rock stable"?

      What idiot runs beta kernels on production servers? I'm glad you aren't working for me, because I'd fire your ass for doing this.

      Production servers are NOT the place to run beta kernels.

      And you are complaining because your company is going with Windows "because of a few outages"? How do you know that it wasn't a kernel bug triggered by that hardware configuration? Your laptop has different hardware than your servers, you simply cannot assume that since it runs fine on your laptop that it will also be fine on the server.

      People like you annoy me. "Most performance" does NOT equal good business. The most important thing to a business is total reliability. Play with the new stuff on a test system, not on a production system

    5. Re:Excellent by linuxgurugamer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I used to compile kernels, but stopped. There is no way that I, as a single administrator, can perform all the necessary testing to assure that there aren't any kernel problems. So now I don't, but now I get 100% uptime instead. I prefer the uptime to the performance.

    6. Re:Excellent by linuxgurugamer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because I've heard the exact same thing from people who actually believe it and have done it at their job. It is a comment made by a young, inexperienced person (I can't call them an administrator) who doesn't have the experience to understand the problems with doing this.

    7. Re:Excellent by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah... that's not going to happen. Not only am I good at what I do (seriously, how many system administrators even take their time to compile custom kernels nowadays for maximum performance?), but a very close relative is also the CEO. I bet people here even use us for their hosting :)

      There is a massive amount of difference between being able to compile a custom kernel and being in the kind of situation where it's the right thing to do. 'Good at what you do' doesn't mean technically brilliant, it means doing the right thing at the right time.

      Keeping your job because you are related to the CEO is the kind of nepotism that kills otherwise good companies.

    8. Re:Excellent by arth1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why are all the replies to this comment seeming to take it seriously? :-|

      Because (a) it is Monday morning, and (b) Sturgeon's law applies to /. posters too.
      And, unfortunately, (c) there are idiots like that out there. But they generally don't change their posting prefs to AC when bragging about their latest folly...

    9. Re:Excellent by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because I've heard the exact same thing from people who actually believe it and have done it at their job. It is a comment made by a young, inexperienced person (I can't call them an administrator) who doesn't have the experience to understand the problems with doing this.

      What, can't be. According to slashdot all Linux administrators are born as black belt Linux experts and Windows administrators are all people that got lucky bumbling through their MSCE exam. Usually in comparison where five incompetent Windows administrators could be replaced with one competent Linux administrator, even though you could probably replace five incompetents with one competent one in general.

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    10. Re:Excellent by 1s44c · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What, can't be. According to slashdot all Linux administrators are born as black belt Linux experts and Windows administrators are all people that got lucky bumbling through their MSCE exam.

      Noone is born a black belt at anything. You have to work at it. There are inexperienced Linux admins just like there are inexperienced windows admins. The ones who can't or don't want to learn end up on windows eventually.

    11. Re:Excellent by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because regardless of what the grandparent said, the above post is insightful. It's also interesting to those who know nothing of Linux but do know of Windows servers falling over because of a mandatory patch, for example. For essential systems, a working stable configuration does indeed make more sense than a cutting edge potentially buggy one.

      I hate to trot out Ubuntu as an example, but why do you think they have Long Term Support releases? High availability production servers are not expected to run Ubuntu Server 9.10; It has a lot of patches which may break features which worked in previous versions (just look at the list of dependencies removed when you upgrade). I would expect a significant number of those servers to be running 8.04 LTS, and to potentially upgrade to 10.04.1 when it becomes available (the LTS version of LL still being relatively new and untested).

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    12. Re:Excellent by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is this a new "Humorless Monday" holiday I haven't yet heard about? Or do kernel people really take themselves this seriously?

      Christ. You're like the fifth reply who didn't get that the parent was an EXTREMELY OBVIOUS JOKE. Laugh, stupid.

    13. Re:Excellent by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wow, two wooshes in one thread.

      Also:

      The ones who can't or don't want to learn end up on windows eventually.

      That's the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read in my life.

      You're seriously delusional if you think that Windows servers are inferior to Linux servers in any way. (Well, "any" way is an overstatement, but any practical way.) If you're doing communication, Exchange is great. If you're doing filesharing/single sign-on, Active Directory is also great. IIS is as good, or better, than Apache at all benchmarks, and has more features. Decent support for technologies like OLAP pretty much only exist on Windows at the moment.

      Nobody's going to argue that Windows is cheaper than Linux. But arguing that it's worse, that's harder to make-- unless of course you know fuck-all about Windows and just repeat FUD on Slashdot all day.

    14. Re:Excellent by Simetrical · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're seriously delusional if you think that Windows servers are inferior to Linux servers in any way. (Well, "any" way is an overstatement, but any practical way.)

      You're seriously delusional if you think that Windows servers are as good as Linux servers in every practical way. Linux has advantages beyond cost. For some large organizations, like Google, being able to tinker with the software is essential. For other organizations, some particular feature of Linux might be essential: like DRDB, or support for some application, or good software RAID (much better than Windows from what I've heard), or (soon) btrfs, or performance on their particular workload.

      If Windows Server were really as good as Linux in every "practical" way, only the cash-strapped would use Linux. That's simply not the case. The only top websites that use Windows, for example, are owned by Microsoft. On the other side of things, most shared hosts support only Linux, although typical web apps are completely portable. Why is this? Some of these are big companies; they would pay if Windows were better. But Linux does have advantages over Windows. Usually different advantages to different people, but they're there.

      I'm not dissing Windows Server. I'm sure it's a lot less hassle to work with unless you're a Linux guru, and it surely has some other great features that Linux doesn't. But Linux has real advantages too. If you deny that, I have no idea how you can explain its success.

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  5. GPU switching by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Some laptops have two GPUs, a low-power and inefficient GPU and a high-power and powerful GPU. Users should be able to switch to one or another at runtime. In this version, Linux adds support for this feature. You need to restart X, though.

    How do you restart X without affecting all your GUI apps? If you can't restart X without bringing down your GUI apps, I don't see the point for the target audience.

    For some people, "only having to restart X" will only save a bit of time over rebooting the whole laptop, reconfiguring bios etc.

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    1. Re:GPU switching by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative

      How do you restart X without affecting all your GUI apps? If you can't restart X without bringing down your GUI apps, I don't see the point for the target audience.

      If you are using something like Gnome or KDE, it can probably save your GUI session. Individual applications will have to deal with their contents, but many of them already do that. At least Firefox and Openoffice can restore their sessions after being terminated.

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    2. Re:GPU switching by skynexus · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you can't restart X without bringing down your GUI apps, I don't see the point for the target audience.

      For some people, "only having to restart X" will only save a bit of time over rebooting the whole laptop, reconfiguring bios etc.

      Not all laptops have a BIOS configuration that allows you to choose the GPU (ASUS UL series for instance). On mine, I had to change the SATA operation mode to have the second GPU work, but this in turn meant a severe performance degradation on my SSD. Without that (deficient) improvisation, I would not have been able to use the second GPU at all!

      Besides, logging out of your desktop and then logging in again is surely better than what you suggest?

    3. Re:GPU switching by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good question, but wrong project. The kernel is only responsible for initializing, suspending, resuming and lately modesetting of the hardware and it seems that is possible now. There probably needs to be some userspace code to pull information from one GPU and load it into the other but that's for the xorg server to do. They're probably working on it but it won't be in a Linux (the kernel) release announcement.

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    4. Re:GPU switching by FeepingCreature · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you are using something like Gnome or KDE, it can probably save your GUI session. Individual applications will have to deal with their contents, but many of them already do that. At least Firefox and Openoffice can restore their sessions after being terminated.

      In KDE, System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager -> On Login, Restore Manually Saved Session. After that, you can save your session state from the logout menu or, alternatively, using a shellscript that loops every 30s or so and does

      # KDE3
      dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession
      # or KDE4
      dbus-send --dest=org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer org.kde.KSMServerInterface.saveCurrentSession

  6. The most exciting thing is by Advocadus+Diaboli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that this kernel already got device IDs for next years Intel hardware. This is something completely new, since Intel so far had a much more closed policy and wouldn't have told device IDs prior to the chipset release.

    Now there is a really good chance that driver code will make it into the distribution kernels until the new hardware will be released for mass production. So the chances that brand new hardware will work without any flaws in 2011 are higher than ever before.

    Thanks to Intel for this change in their policy. This was a small step for Intel (since everybody "knows" that they will release new chips every year) but a giant leap for providing Linux hardware compatibility right "out-of-the-box".

  7. In reading kernel changelogs... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm always amused by at least one strange juxtaposition of the big-serious-enterprise-server stuff that the corporate devs are most interested in and the oddball hobby projects that can get included as well, so long as they follow the kernel process.

    In this case, I think it was all the "multi-petabyte scaleable filesystem, esoteric btrfs improvements, kernel virtualization networking stuff, gamecon: add rumble support for N64 pads" that did it.

  8. Re:I'm not impressed by hoboroadie · · Score: 2, Funny

    AOL 9.5 is far more advanced.

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  9. There's a hot GPU offloading support as well by Cyberax · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's experimental support for 'hotswitching' called 'PRIME' (for obvious reasons :) ).

    See here: http://airlied.livejournal.com/71734.html

  10. Details details by TheLink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I last used KDE years ago, that didn't work so well. For instance, my ssh connections weren't restored. And even for KDE apps the session saving thing didn't save everything.

    You may ask "why should SSH connections be restored?" and I'll reply: why should my apps and connections go down in the first place just because X goes down?

    Heck even in windows when I kill "explorer.exe" my apps still keep running. I know it's not the same thing, but who cares when all the fanatics keep saying Linux is so stable, but when X goes down, I lose stuff.

    In my experience a cli-based Linux system may be more stable than windows XP, but X can be less stable than Windows XP SP2/SP3. I've got X to lock up or abend a fair number of times, and have had to restart X, this causes me to lose unsaved work. For a Desktop User, it matters little if the rest of the O/S is still running merrily when X goes down and takes the GUI apps along with it.

    Yes I could use stuff like "screen" instead and treat X as a glorified interface to multiple screen sessions, but that's pathetic.

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