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Sniffing the Wireless Traffic of MIT Students

An anonymous reader writes "Someone got permission to sniff the wireless traffic during an MIT class. The professor: none other than Robert Morris, creator of the first Internet worm! The lecture: computer security! I love it."

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  1. Thank you, Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Highest number of packets: MDNS (Multicast-DNS, Zeroconf) with a whopping 30% of all packets. Because computer Barbie says: Configuration is hard.

    1. Re:Thank you, Apple by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not THAT Apple uses zeroconf, but HOW they use it.
      There's nothing in the zeroconf specs that say you have to constantly flood the network with queries.

    2. Re:Thank you, Apple by metamatic · · Score: 4, Informative

      On the other hand, Zeroconf was basically invented by Stuart Cheshire, who works for Apple (and invented the tank game Bolo, another good way to waste network bandwidth).

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    3. Re:Thank you, Apple by ThrowAwaySociety · · Score: 5, Funny

      Highest number of packets: MDNS (Multicast-DNS, Zeroconf) with a whopping 30% of all packets. Because computer Barbie says: Configuration is hard.

      *rolls eyes* Yeah, what's with kids these days and their automagical service discovery.

      Back in my day, we manually entered protocol names and IP addresses. Forget zeroconf, we didn't have DNS. We kept a list of IP addresses in a text file on our systems. And if we didn't know the IP address, we went out and walked over to the datacenter, uphill, both ways, in the snow, and we wrote it down using our own blood for ink so we wouldn't forget it.

      And we liked it that way!

    4. Re:Thank you, Apple by natehoy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now get the hell off my LAN! :)

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    5. Re:Thank you, Apple by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Look at it this way:

      259932 MDNS packets

      ...over 45 minutes...

      ...and 21 sources...

      Thats 5776 packets per minute, 275 packets per minute per machine.. or an average of 4.6 packets per second per machine, of just MDNS traffic.

      Now, this shit does what, exactly? Why exactly does it need to spam the network every 220ms?

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      "His name was James Damore."
    6. Re:Thank you, Apple by tsm_sf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well in all fairness if the token happens to fall out you can spend hours looking for it.

      Billable hours.

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      Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
  2. Re:Laptop Useage in Class? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Informative

    I haven't been to university for 9 years, but are students really using laptops during class???

    Laptops, netbooks, smart phones, tablets... Yup.

    In theory they're typing notes or recording the lecture or something.

    In practice, I suspect it is more of a distraction than anything else.

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    "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
  3. Re:Laptop Useage in Class? by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In my class 2 years ago, it was pretty much mandatory. Prof would be walking you through a PHP script for logging onto the server. If you weren't following along, you were considered not learning the skill.

    In this way, the prof could look around at everyones laptop. He'd be able to see how people coded differently, and give suggestions on how to either improve their style, or what languages they'd be most comfortable in, what editor they might like, etc etc. It went beyond simple reading of the code, it was an inspection of how you wrote the code you did, and I found it very helpful.

  4. It's not uncommon... by zero_out · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not uncommon. In fact, at my alma mater, the students do the same thing in their IT security class. It's an exercise to show how easy it is to sniff packets, and find passwords for things like email accounts. This is meant to encourage better security. If the students don't know why something is important, they won't care. When I was in grade school, many kids didn't see why algebra was important, so they didn't care, and didn't bother learning the material.

  5. Money well spent by Reason58 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    FTFA:

    I got permission from Robert Morris and Sam Madden to monitor the wireless traffic during their Computer Systems Engineering class and made an announcement at the beginning of a class period explaining what I’d be doing.

    He told everyone up front he was going to do this and people were still chatting, watching TV, reading about Warcraft, and updating their blogs. Just imagine how bad it would have been if he hadn't said anything. I bet some hard working people who were rejected by MIT are really happy to read this.

    1. Re:Money well spent by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Awesomely, AIM, Jabber, MSN Messenger, and Yahoo! Messenger were all represented in the traffic...

      AIM is the clear favorite.

      I've lost respect for MIT's admissions process.

    2. Re:Money well spent by Reason58 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is a lot to be said for work ethic. Trust me, I know. I'm posting this from work.

  6. It beats sniffing MIT students by RandomUsername99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It beats sniffing MIT students. Trust me.

  7. so i cant seem to figure by nimbius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    out what this article is actually about, and why i should give a shit...famous professor at expensive college gets approval for lesson plan related to security?

    in college to demonstrate secure passwords, i had a professor run john the ripper on our auth hashes in shadow. live-fire security demonstrations are always a good tool in college because it provides a route for hands on learning and a finer appreciation of the subject matter, but its no different than an accounting or finance class being asked to bring their tax returns in.

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  8. Re:hmm by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you can call it all you want. The Law states that any photo taken from outside the property is not. That is what matters, not what you think.

    It's how I dealt with a Asshat neighbor. pointed a security cam at his house. Caught him throwing trash over the fence to the next door neighbors. I sent the footage to the cops and he got nailed. He threatened to sue me based on "invasion of privacy" and I dared him to do it, i even egged him on with" you ain't got the balls" and 'chicken" because I know the judge would eat him alive.

    It's also why you can be arrested for indecent exposure when you are naked in your home. If I can see your dirty naughty bits from outdoors.

    if you want privacy, keep the blinds closed.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  9. Re:Laptop Useage in Class? by HeckRuler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That sounds awesome. A hell of a lot better then my ComSci department that made us write out code on paper for the tests.

  10. Re:hmm by CraftyJack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's called "civility".

    You ask before doing things could piss other people off even when you are technically within your rights to do so, and other people are willing to cooperate with you to mutual benefit.

    You can choose to forgo "civility", but then other people will refer to you as an "asshole" and you will have fewer opportunities to benefit from non-zero-sum cooperation.

  11. Re:Laptop Useage in Class? by korean.ian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Only a distraction if you let it be. Returning to school this year, I use my notebook to take notes in all my classes except econ, because graphing is not much fun in TextEdit.The notebook is pretty valuable, although I suspect it would be of less use in a science/maths lecture. Easy text formatting for highlighting different pieces of information within the structure of the notes, useful for looking up relevant information, and of course I can type faster than I can write, so while putting down the important bits of what the professor is saying, I can also easily inject my own thoughts/comments on the subject as they come to me.

    Do lots of kids use facebook and shit during class, of course they do, they're on mommy and daddy's dime, why wouldn't they fuck around? Not all do though. I'm sure there's correlation between grades and facebook use in class, and once could certainly theorise causation....

  12. Re:hmm by swb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't egg anyone on. It raises you to "willful participant" status.

    Had it escalated to a physical confrontation you may have had trouble claiming self defense.

    You always want to remain a "reluctant participant".