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Secure Communication Comes To Android

An anonymous reader writes "Forbes is reporting that Moxie Marlinspike and Stuart Anderson's startup, Whisper Systems, has released a public beta of two Android applications that provide encrypted call and SMS capabilities for your Android phone. In the wake of recent GSM attacks, it'll be interesting to see if smartphones end up providing a platform that fundamentally changes the security we can expect from mobile communication."

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  1. Less useful by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Informative

    While interesting, these apps aren't that useful because the other caller would have to be using the same software for it to work which limits it to just a few people using Android with these apps.

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  2. Re:We'll know it's pretty good when it's outlawed by e9th · · Score: 3, Informative

    As far as I know, the Justice Department's position hasn't changed much since this 1998 policy FAQ.

    Anyone have any later statements from them?

  3. Re:Sure it will by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

    TLS encryption only protects from the client to the server, you have no guarantees about the security of the server-to-server connection nor of the pop/imap server to receiving client. Only message encryption with an OpenPGP implementation or similar can offer that.

    But Gmail may not support STARTTLS, but it supports IMAPS, and uses HTTPS by default in the webmail.

  4. Re:Disappointed that they released w/o source code by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    What I'm more curious about is why there hasn't been (AFAIK) an app that uses an asymmetric public-key encryption method. The solution from TFA takes the combination of the users' keys to generate a password, ...

    Public key encryption is crunch intensive - even in the good direction. (It's "effectively impossible" in the "bad" direction, which is the whole point.) Too crunch intensive to be practical when encrypting streams, even with current fast processors.

    So it's usually used to generate and exchange a "session key" (and perhaps periodically replace it with a new one) for a symmetric cypher that takes less crunch and is "secure enough" if the amount of material it encrypts is limited.

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  5. Re:Sure it will by rthille · · Score: 3, Informative

    Try a valid ehlo, rather than a bogus 'helo fuckface'. Some mail servers won't bother to honor starttls unless they are talking to a conforming server.

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  6. Re:Slashdotter's rejoice! by penguinchris · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just a small comment, I don't think you can group Thailand with Iran when it comes to restricting/monitoring communications. They do block websites (trivial to get around if you want to) but they don't block dissent against the government in any way, and I'm guessing they monitor it less than the NSA monitors US citizens.

    And that's beside the fact that you can get pre-paid mobile phones for the equivalent of $10 in cash with very cheap add-on minutes (also pay for those in cash) which for all practical purposes are untraceable, because if you're paranoid you can switch them around or whatever.

    I'm defending Thailand because the foreign press has distorted what happened there recently quite a bit. It's nothing like Iran. People are free to protest the government, despite what it may seem after the violence recently in Bangkok.

  7. Re:"Encrypted call" is misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    You said:

    Except the fact that the protocol itself is documented this is not materially different from skype which is also encrypted and has governments apparently scrambling to crack.
    A truly revolutionary app would encrypt the phone's mobile call audio.

    TFA says:

    Whisper Systems' apps aren't the first to bring encrypted VoIP to smartphones. But apps like Skype and Vonage don't publish their source code, leaving the rigor of their security largely a matter of speculation. Marlinspike argues that because those apps interface with the traditional telephone network, they may also be subject to the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, (CALEA) which requires companies to build backdoors into their technologies for law enforcement wiretaps.

  8. Re:Sure it will by sznupi · · Score: 3, Informative

    Plus we can look at the impact done by availability of Zfone/ZRTP (this new encrypted VoIP standard from Phil Zimmermann) for Symbian smartphones (half of all smartphones)

    Oh, nobody was aware of its availability? Exactly...

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