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Sneak Preview For Coming KDE SC 4.5

Posted by timothy on from the one-moment-in-time dept.

omlx writes "KDE SC 4.5 is in feature freeze right now. Therefore, I decided to share some early screenshots with you. In general there are no major changes; it's all about polishing and fixing bugs. There are a lot of under-the-hood changes in libs, which as end users we cannot see. KDE SC will be released in August 2010." Note: you can also try out a beta of the release now, if you'd like.

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  1. YUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Give us back 3.5 with Konqueror.

    1. Re:YUCK by MrHanky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "We"? Are you a self-centered moron or what?

    2. Re:YUCK by Jurily · · Score: 2, Interesting

      so they can make a clean break from Windows to Gnome

      I don't really think that's possible right now. Win7 set a pretty high standard for usability, and the independent-packages model can't seem to keep up with them. For example, how do you set up a laptop with Linux to remember the external screens it was connected to, their resolutions and main screen status? It's automatic on 7, and the initial setup is literally 3-4 mouse clicks.

      Linux may be fine for servers, but Xorg needs to die before I touch it again.

    3. Re:YUCK by HBoar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's funny, because I (and a lot of other uses) am perfectly happy with KDE 4.4 and wouldn't go near gnome with a 3.048m barge pole...

    4. Re:YUCK by abigor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention X and Freetype still have horrid antialiasing and general font issues. I realise there are patent problems involved, but ugly is ugly.

    5. Re:YUCK by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm on 4.4 now. I switched from kde 3.5 yesterday on this laptop. Its just as fast and just as useful. I am quite happy with it. However as someone who was using 3.5 till yesterday, why do you need them to give it back to you? Can't you just install it? ;)

      Or are you a Gnome user that fells a little trollish....

      ps I have nothing against gnome users.

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  2. SC=? by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 5, Informative

    In case you are wondering too, SC stands for Software Compilation. Not a bad name (for a crappy dance remix).

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  3. Re:KDE by QBasicer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, I still used KDE 3.5

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  4. Aesthetics by bi$hop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Generally I like the KDE look and feel, but those folder icons look a little odd--almost disproportionate. And I realize it's abstract, but what is that default background? Looks like a beam of light is shooting out a bunch of photons, but only along the curved paths. I do like the hover effect on the folders, and generally the whole thing looks pretty clean.

  5. Re:KDE by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you don't know what to develop then break something and fix it. Desktop environments are done. There is no more work needed apart from "polish and bug fixes".

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  6. Re:KDE by demachina · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exactly right. The only KDE I can still stand to use is KDE 3.5 and I pretty much don't even use that anymore. And then you have GNOME in all its GTK crippled, Mono infected crappiness. As far as I'm concerned Linux has ceased to be a viable desktop. I had hopes for it for so long... all dashed. Macports FTW.

    It would appear Android is about the only viable avenue left for Linux world domination in anything beyond servers and developer tools.

    One wonders the dynamic within in the KDE team that allowed them to delude themselves in to thinking the track they took with KDE 4 wasn't completely broken. As nearly as I can tell their only way to stay viable is to flush KDE 4, start over with KDE 3.5 as the base, and revoke checkin privledges for whomever architected KDE 4.

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  7. I try every new KDE4 release, but... by QCompson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...I still (still!) have a bad taste in my mouth from that horrible trainwreck of a 4.0 release, and how Aaron Seigo and other KDE devs defended the release strategy. And still do to this day! I think that debacle really hurt the KDE project in the longterm. Big software projects like google-chrome still aren't flocking to QT and KDE.

    It's a fairly nice desktop environment, but it's obvious that the focus (for the desktop user experience at least) has always been eye-candy first and stability later. I understand they needed the lay down the framework initially, but shouldn't that framework have at least been somewhat stable before worrying about all the translucent crap and literal bells and whistles? Plasma is still prone to crashing last I checked (4.4). I know, I know... different contributors want to work on different things, and many prefer to work on the eye-candy junk. But to me that just points out how terrible the KDE project has been in managing and organizing KDE4.

    And this "SC" crap? Who possibly thought that was needed, or was even remotely a good idea?

    1. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by brennanw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like KDE 4.4 (which is what I'm using now) -- I like it a lot -- but I'm right there with you about the bad taste in my mouth. The way they handled 4.0 was stupid and they deserved all the crap they got for it and more.

      4.4 is a completely different beast and I mostly love the featureset. However, based on my experience with 4.0 I'm a little afraid of 5.0.

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    2. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by MrHanky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, shut up, or start complaining about OS X 10.0 every time there's something new about Apple. You know that OS X was only half-way to beta quality on release as well?

    3. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by QCompson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And Windows 7 was mostly polished on release, and has received a very good reception. Which example should software projects follow?

      If the KDE team wanted to temper down expectations on the release of KDE4.0, then they shouldn't have had a big google release party and been extolling KDE4's virtues for months before. Yes, we're still talking about the 4.0 release, because frankly, it took the KDE team a long time to limp to a somewhat usable 4.2.

    4. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by MrHanky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What? Windows 7 (Windows NT 6.1) is very good, but it followed up on Vista (Windows NT 6.0), which was received with ridicule and loud complaints after years of hype and abandoned technologies (WinFS, etc). Vista was released early 2007, Windows 7 was released October 2009. KDE 4.0 was released January 2008. If KDE 4 were to have its "Windows 7 moment", it would be right about now. Well, if the KDE project had Microsoft's resources, that is.

    5. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by moogsynth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Plasma desktop doesn't crash for me. Maybe you need to check with your package maintainers about that. But you know what? The bitterness about 4.0 comes up in every single goddamned KDE thread. But it just doesn't matter any more. Seriously. KDE 4.4 is stable enough, and it looks like 4.5 is going to be even better. It's okay. You can let go.

    6. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by sznupi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google Chrome is your example of "big software projects still not flocking to Qt"?
      It's a separate thing from KDE, and a great toolkit. Chrome was mostly ill thought out as a single platform app initially, and afterwards - perhaps the team was more used to Gtk+; or they convinced themselves that Qt makes sense "only" when it would be used across all platforms (and with huge work done already on Win version...)

      Here, a short list of apparently "not big" software projects using Qt: Autodesk Maya, Mathematica, Google Earth, Symbian, MeeGo, Opera, Skype, VLC, VirtualBox, Adobe Photoshop Album, , Last.fm Player, Scribus, Xconfig; not very exhaustive, too.

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    7. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by QCompson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It took Google less than a second to turn "kde sc branding" into http://dot.kde.org/2009/11/24/repositioning-kde-brand

      I already understood what they were trying to accomplish with their silly renaming... and gawd, that convoluted explanation only makes it worse. Why is the KDE team spending so much time creating arbitrary new naming conventions? No one cares. IMO it comes off as pompous. Similar to when they were insisting that a .0 release signifies extreme beta or alpha quality software.

    8. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by MrHanky · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Windows 7 wouldn't be the quality release it is without the beta testing done through the full release of Windows Vista. Without Vista, Windows 7 wouldn't be. Or it would be ... Windows Vista.

    9. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by QCompson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here, a short list of apparently "not big" software projects using Qt: Autodesk Maya, Mathematica, Google Earth, Symbian, MeeGo, Opera, Skype, VLC, VirtualBox, Adobe Photoshop Album, , Last.fm Player, Scribus, Xconfig; not very exhaustive, too.

      I think opera moved off of QT in its latest release. But point taken.

    10. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by abigor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You get emotional about software you didn't even write? Honestly, take a good hard look at your life.

    11. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      If KDE 4 were to have its "Windows 7 moment", it would be right about now.

      Hopefully so, because, so far, it seems that KDE4 is still at "Vista SPn" stage, rather than at "Win7" stage, so to speak.

    12. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by victorhooi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      heya,

      You know, I don't think it was that bad.

      Look, fine so it was a bit unpolished, but it's much more polished now. I have a feeling that it wouldn't be where it is now if they hadn't had the exposure they had, or if people hadn't gone on long rants on blogs on what they thought should change. Those comments helped get us to where we are now.

      Sure, they probably could have been clearer in the communication, but I distinctly remember they saying that this was a "beta" release in many ways, and they just wanted to get broad user feedback. (And look, even people's beloved OSX - remember the point zero release of that? Pftt, it was even more laughable...yet they still hold Apple up as the panacea of polish nowadays. Double standards, some?).

      Anyhow, I don't get all these silly whiners (this isn't directed at you in particular, btw), and their OH NOES, KDE 3.5 IS BETTER!!!. Nobody forced you to switch to 4.x. Either offer some constructive criticism, and file a bug report, or crawl back to your hole. It's not like you're forced to update to 4.x, for God's sake. And all this melodrama about how it killed the project, please. It's really starting to get painful to read.

      It's nearly as bad as those immature little children on the Google Chrome Release blog, complaining about moving the bookmark star, or removing the "http://" from the URL bar - then threatening to leave for Firefox. E.g.:

      https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8982037438137564684&postID=3927710196423305305&isPopup=true&pli=1
      https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8982037438137564684&postID=2192823456516189106&isPopup=true

      Look, the Google team wrote the damn thing, if you don't like something, file a bug report or make a constructive blog post, but don't make these ridiculous and pathetically immature demands about how they "have" to change something, or you'll cry like a baby. It's just like the KDE team - they wrote it, if you don't like something, *talk* to them, they will listen, but please don't whine just for whining's sake. Grow up, kids.

      Cheers,
      Victor

    13. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by victorhooi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      heya,

      Mod parent up.

      He's absolutely right. At the end of the day, the KDE 4.x series moved as quickly as it did, probably because of broad user feedback. nothing beats good quality user feedback, or having people rant on their blogs about how software X should have feature Y etc.

      And look, they weren't exactly unclear about it - they stated fairly openly that it was a beta-ish release, and they were trying to get user feedback. It's an open-source project, release early, release often.

      Put it this way, if you can install KDE/Linux, I'm sure you can put up with a bit of quirkiness in your desktop manager, or file a bug report.

      (Actually, ironically, I've worked with a lot of non-technical users, and for some things, they seem to just ignore/accept changes, weirdly enough - they just assume it's part of the "magic" of this black box. Weird but true).

      Cheers,
      Victor

    14. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by syousef · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You get emotional about software you didn't even write? Honestly, take a good hard look at your life.

      When your business or hobby relies on it, what do you expect|? And honestly if the same people are in charge, how can anyone let it go? There's every chance they'll do something equally daft in the near future.

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    15. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by QCompson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He's absolutely right. At the end of the day, the KDE 4.x series moved as quickly as it did, probably because of broad user feedback. nothing beats good quality user feedback, or having people rant on their blogs about how software X should have feature Y etc.

      Which is why naming it "beta" would have been just fine. Frankly, I don't think the KDE team were very receptive to user feedback after 4.0; I think the wave of harsh criticism and trolling caused them to be a little more inflexible about their version of the "new paradigm".

      And look, they weren't exactly unclear about it - they stated fairly openly that it was a beta-ish release, and they were trying to get user feedback. It's an open-source project, release early, release often.

      From what I recall, the vast majority of the beta-ish, eat-your-children talk was made after the initial release, while facing a storm of criticism. I remember there being lots of hype prior to the release. I also remember the concerns about 4.0 beta, when the general answer seemed to be: "it's still beta, a lot of these bugs will be ironed out". There was little stability change from the beta stage of the project to the "final" 4.0 stage.

    16. Re:I try every new KDE4 release, but... by segedunum · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...I still (still!) have a bad taste in my mouth from that horrible trainwreck of a 4.0 release, and how Aaron Seigo and other KDE devs defended the release strategy. And still do to this day!

      Because it was correct. It was no different to any other .0 release for any other piece of open source software. Unfortunately, distributors simply have no idea what to put into their distributions other than to compile the latest release and then bitch and moan about it. That's probably why desktop Linux has failed really. They even started compiling up PulseAudio and thought it was a good idea to throw that in which was a far worse decision than including KDE 4.0. Jesus, not even communication with spacecraft has as much latency as PA. Alas, that's why I run OS X with a decent sound subsystem and CoreAudio. I have no desire to do the distributors' jobs for them and compile in a kernel with Open Sound System support.

      Big software projects like google-chrome still aren't flocking to QT and KDE.

      It's their loss frankly. They're trying to create a cross-platform app in Chrome that is effectively rewritten for each platform. The net effect of that will be what happened to Firefox's ports - the Windows port was the best, followed by OS X and then Linux stuck on as an afterthought. Take a look at Eclipse and SWT as well - Windows port first, everything second. They then have a recreate all the cross-platform glue that Qt already has.

      It's a fairly nice desktop environment, but it's obvious that the focus (for the desktop user experience at least) has always been eye-candy first and stability later. I understand they needed the lay down the framework initially, but shouldn't that framework have at least been somewhat stable before worrying about all the translucent crap and literal bells and whistles?

      Release early release often. Jesus, how do you think something gets stabilised in the open source world unless it is released? People and distributors then make a decision to use it or not. It's not a difficult concept to understand. Really. You're also going to have to quanitify 'stability'.

      And this "SC" crap? Who possibly thought that was needed, or was even remotely a good idea?

      Probably because it's more than just a desktop?

  8. Re:Terrible by Spewns · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a GNOME user, I don't like this at all, and I have no idea why anyone would want to use KDE. I can't stand a desktop environment where I'm able to choose how to configure it, or worse, where others can configure their desktops differently from mine. That's why I like GNOME: it removes all these confusing options, and just gives me the minimum. Desktops need to be as simple as possible, so that users like me aren't confused, and extra options goes against this. KDE is just too complicated, and I can't understand it.

    It isn't about being "confused" or somehow not smart enough to use KDE. It's about lacking the time/patience to make a bunch of crappy, poorly thought-out software bearable by spending an inordinate amount of time in baroque Options dialogues for every new program they open.

  9. Re:no kde here by Spewns · · Score: 2, Interesting

    so geeks dislike kde. my time to leave /., I guess.

    Is this implying geeks should love KDE? If so, why?

  10. Get out of my way! by Requiem18th · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why do I need to care about activities? Why are my aplication not showing up in the tray? Why my desktop icons have windows around them? What's with modern KDE getting in the way of my applications?

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  11. Seconded! by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Informative

    The multi-display support in KDE 4.x is almost nonexistent. Needs to be fixed before I can even give KDE releases a periodic test drive.

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    1. Re:Seconded! by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, I run dual monitors and agree with the GP. Multi-monitor support in KDE 4.x is pretty weak compared to 3.5. For example, there's no way to have a plasmoid (the one that replaces kicker in particular) span two monitors, and there's no way to have a background wallpaper span both monitors, you can only clone from one to the other (or set them separately, but that makes the slideshow feature useless). Both of those features worked beautifully in 3.5, but are nonexistent in 4.x. Before you ask, I've already filed bug reports.

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  12. Re:KDE by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lot of people flocked to KDE after Gnome 1.4->2.0 switch.

    Now that KDE is also breaking things left and right in the search for their mythical holy grail, many of those same people don't know where to switch.

    Me, I was fine with Gnome 2.x, but then I saw the screenshots of the mess that will be "Gnome Shell" in v3, and figured that I don't want to wait for that rug to be pulled from under me. So XFCE it is, for now, and hopefully for a while.

  13. Re:KDE by tick-tock-atona · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lots of ranting, but what exactly is wrong with KDE 4? I find it much more usable than the 3.5 series, mostly because of the improvements between Qt 3 and Qt 4.

  14. Re:KDE by victorhooi · · Score: 2, Informative

    heya,

    Yeah, I use KDE 4.4 under Arch Linux, and it's seriously awesome.

    Going back to Windows afterwards is just painful *sigh*. Even something as simple as split views and tabs in Dolphin is so much better. Urgh. Why can't Windows implement that =). Heck, even Putty doesn't have tabs...haha...

    Also, it's "dual".

    I have to agree with an earlier poster though, some things like dual-monitor setups on Windows are just easier - they Just Work. So features, yeah, KDE, but polish, Windows. Just my 2c.

    Cheers,
    Victor

  15. Re:KDE by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    KDE4 to work exactly the way you want. It's very flexible, compared to all the others

    Except KDE 3.5. KDE4.x was all about making KDE look pretty instead of making it more customizable i.e. useful like KDE3.5.x is. If I wanted a D.E. that abandoned customization as a virtue I'd use Gnome.

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  16. Get off my lawn. by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I learned C on a Sun 3/50 running SunOS loaded from DC6150 tapes. I installed Linux for the first time in '93 and still have boxes of floppies containing every Slackware release up to 4.0.

    I started using KDE with beta3, before 1.0, and didn't stop until 3.5.

    Don't give me this "go back go Windows" shit.

    Saying "it works for me, therefore there are no bugs" is precisely the sort of half-ass response that has been holding Linux adoption back for a decade.

    Look around you. Every time there is a KDE4 story, there are posts here complaining about it.

    Filing bug reports is fine, but some of us have real work to do, and draw the line at filing more than one or two bug reports a month. More than that = switch to another platform.

    Funny that GNOME seems to be able to manage multiple monitors in a predictable fashion, while on KDE4 every other reboot, dock, or undock leads to the loss of desktop state in one way or another, requiring reconfiguration or just a total removal of KDE dotfiles and starting over from scratch (which can be much faster).

    KDE4 chased away a lot of longtime KDE users. They're not coming back so long as GNOME works better. Call us names if you want. I don't care, I have no vested interest in using KDE. I also have no vested interest in using GNOME and it looks like I will be switching to XFCE with the GNOME 3.0 release because it's looking not-so-good. My time is too valuable to spend it "trying to make XYZ work," whether XYZ is KDE, GNOME, or anything else.

    If it isn't bulletproof obvious at the first go, it's a fail. This isn't 1995 any longer. This is 2010, and there are plenty of examples of spectacular and spectacularly usable user interfaces around that require zero maintenance or "figuring out" by their users.

    The Linux desktop world is starting to feel like a place where TWM is once again top-of-the-heap.

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  17. Re:KDE by anshulajain · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I gave up trying to use KDE 4 from 4.4.x onwards. Its a huge pile of mess- especially the forced bundling of Nepomuk and Akonadi. Akonadi turned KDEPIM (a better PIM than Evolution) a big turd with countless memory/CPU hogging daemons flying all over the place. I saw a very sharp increase in CPU & memory usage because of Akonadi from KDE 4.4 onwards. And yes, plasma crashes...still, this is on the supposedly great KDE distros like Opensuse and Mandriva, not Kubuntu. A PIM is very important for me as I use Linux (exclusively) at work. I moved on to GNOME, and I really like it. I'll probably never return back to KDE.

  18. KDE4 ruined it for me. by kiwieater · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I ran Linux on the desktop for many years - full-time since 2003/4. I've actually - possibly temporarily, possibly permanently - moved to Windows, namely Windows 7.

    I used to love KDE. Everything worked nicely, everything felt well-placed. The system made sense. KDE3.5 was pretty much my ideal desktop - I may have become used to different things since then, but at the time - it felt perfect. It was quick, nimble, stable, reliable, packed with decent features. But my main appeal... Amarok. It didn't start out this way, but Amarok 1.4 was a damned good player.

    What happened? KDE4 was buggy. It was lacking. It was cosmetically challenged. As the releases went on, things did improve - but I still find I have less features and less usability now than I did in 2007. Even now(at least when I checked a couple of months ago) - why can't I set the clock from the taskbar to sync with an nntp server? How hard can they make it for me to mess with multiple monitors? Why make it so hard for me to put some files on my desktop? Having to manually deactivate all the sounds apart from the one or two I actually _want_?

    It is still _my_ desktop, right?

    Amarok... needs little discussion. The crux of it for me is I liked the earlier interface. It made sense. It's now completely different, almost catching up in terms of features, but I hate the layout. All I wanted was a list of albums on the left, double click to add albums to the list of stuff playing on the right. Let me move the buttons. I don't care for lyrics, nor the artwork, nor buying music from whatever place they've added as a default. I just want the damned UI that made much more sense than anything else at the time.

    I miss Linux. It's rock-stable for me, easy to keep up to date. It's widely configurable, has pretty decent hardware support these days. I like being able to try a new distro on occasion.

    But I'm still stuck on the desktop. KDE3.5 is going nowhere. KDE4 spent years as a beta, rolled out with deceitful version numbers indicating it should be good. Even as of 4.4, whilst much improved over the abomonation that was 4.0, it's feeling buggy and incomplete.

    I lost interest in Gnome years ago. KDE offered - to me at least - a better experience. I couldn't go back to Gnome, having decided all those years ago that KDE had much more going for it.

    What now? I've got Win7 running. I've installed Firefox, Thunderbird, Foobar2000(brilliant!!) and VLC. I genuinely have less criticism for this than I've had for KDE for a long time now. To the point where I'm actually giving serious thought to paying for it. (Yes, I know that's bad - but it really has only been installed for ~10 days. After all these years without touching anything MS, I had no idea whether I'd even still be able to navigate the OS properly.)

    Way to go, KDE. Way to go, Amarok. I spent years singing your praises, converting people(not many, but a good handful) from the mundane. Now I've pretty much lost interest in you for the forseeable future...

    1. Re:KDE4 ruined it for me. by Wild+Wizard · · Score: 2, Informative

      'scuse me... on my Hardy Heron KDE desktop, right click on the clock in the panel, a dialog appears, click on the "adjust date & time" option, a window comes up asking for password and then on succesfull verification, you are in the KDE control module for date & time where you can specify an ntp server to automatically adjust time with... that's what he wants with the clock in KDE 4.x... it doesn't allow him that freedom... it's gone backwards in functionality...

      Say what?

      Slackware 13.1 w/KDE 4.4.3 here and I can do the exact same thing.

      Maybe if these anti KDE / pro GNOME distro's stopped trying to kill KDE and actually gave the users the full experience you might have something different to say about it.

      As for stability this KDE session has been running since May 12, today is the 27th, so 15 days of up time for KDE itself is pretty good.

  19. Buggy pile of sh** by SlightOverdose · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm was a time KDE user up to and including version 3.

    When KDE4 came out I used it for several months before finally giving up due to severe bugs that made it almost unusable.

    Since then I keep trying it under the assumption that they've had time to fix the bugs- but it seems they just keep adding on more unusable features instead of stopping and cleaning up what they've already got.

    I'm not a big fan of the gnome desktop, but at least it's stable.

  20. Re:KDE users say: DO NOT WANT by lbbros · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is blatantly false. I'm one of the three KDE Community Forums administrators and we have never deleted messages just because we disagreed with them. In fact, we have even rarely locked threads. The only people that got reprimanded were the ones that violated the KDE Community Code of Conduct, which all forum members agree to uphold when they register.

    Let's not spread disinformation here.

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