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Berners-Lee Deconstructs a Bag of Chips
itwbennett writes "At the O'Reilly Gov 2.0 Expo, being held this week in Washington, DC, Tim Berners-Lee compared the concept of linked open data to a bag of Utz Kettle Classics Crunchy Potato chips: 'The outside of the bag contains different sets of information, each using a different vocabulary and coming from a different source, Berners-Lee explained. The front of the package displays the name of the brand and the company's own marketing claim that the chips are crunchy. The back of the package has nutritional information, such as calories and vitamins, defined by terms generated by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Finally, there is a Universal Product Code (UPC) bar code on the bottom of the package, which is not understood by humans at all but rather is recognized by scanning machines globally as the moniker for the item. In other words, this single package of information actually is a collection of data and attributes that have been developed by multiple parties, not just Utz.'"
Now I can't even enjoy my daily dose of Utz Kettle Classics Crunchy Potato without thinking about IT stuff.
Insensitive clod, Tim!
that is news for nerds, since when? They talk about information and transmission of information, but I see nothing about entropy, shannon's law or even mentioning that the rule of markov chain applies here, and the amount of information transferred to the end user can be only worse or equal to the amount of information that has been put on the label.
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Much tastier than the average car analogy.
Do they have more salt than they state on the label? How about transfats?
I'm English you insensitive clod! My bag of chips is hot, greasy and with no writing on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga1aSJXCFe0
Nomnomnomnomnom.
And besides, it's crisps. Both he and I are British!
Yes, but my bag of Potato chips does not relay the number of chips and their associated calories and fat content back to the vendor, who then sells the information to my health care provider who then raises my rates because I am a risky eater. (At least, not yet....)
Later that day Tim used some toilet paper and noted that although the manufacturer said that it was a soft as a cloud, cloud computing is not ready for the toilet yet.
TBL uses nutritional information on a bag of potato chips as an example of effective communication at a conference in a country with epidemic obesity rates.
Sorry, TB-L, you've completely lost me. Come up with something about tubes or cars - or GTFO.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Now I'm hungry for some chips. Way to ruin a nerd's diet, Tim.
The front of the package displays the name of the brand and the company's own marketing claim that the chips are crunchy. The back of the package has nutritional information, such as calories and vitamins, defined by terms generated by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
And there are fat nerds consuming the chips, too!
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Inside the bag are the most bland, generic chips you are likely to find. Having grown up with a chip and churro shop right down the street, I admit I'm a bit spoiled but Utz can't even match the generic quality of Lays/Frito-Lay.
Transmission of information through labels.....that is news for nerds, since when?
Since it concerns Sir Tim, the guy who literally invented the web. If Linus Torvald was hired to design the new Chevy Camero, it would also be news worthy on /. When important people in the technology industry do interesting things that may or may not be directly related to actually compiling code, some of us nerds like to know.
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Yeah, I think Utz are limited to the North East of the United States. He probably should have said Lays if he at least wanted the whole United States to understand.
He's wrong. Utz developed all the information put on the package (with the possible exception of the base part of their UPC number). Some of the information is required to be there by others, but they don't create the information. Some of the formats (the bar code, for example) are created by others, but they don't create the information. Further, none of that information is guaranteed to be correct, and the only party responsible if it's not is Utz.
Hm. Did somebody forget to check "Post Anonymously"?
Grandma Utz's are fried in lard. Old school, sinful, delicious lard. Where does that fit in his analogy?
http://www.utzsnacks.com/products/grandmachips.html
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Somebody did. Lol. Epic fail tri.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
Don't lie to us. We know. Covering it up like you meant to do it. Good try but still...EPIC FAIL!
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
"Oh shit, my speech, I forgot all about it! I shouldn't have stayed out drinking until 2am last night..."
"Must find inspiration, quickly..."
*sees chip bag in garbage*
"Ah, a chip bag! Maybe I can use this somehow..."
*scrawls some notes*
"Hey this might just work..."
*15 minutes of feverish writing*
"YES! An entire speech on linked open data based on a bag of chips. My career is safe!"
"Hey, maybe I'll even get a few cases from Utz as a thank you for mentioning them..."
You are an idiot. There is no credit given to anyone fucking stupid enough to post GNAA. lol
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
This analogy doesn't sound any more informative than comparing the internet to a series of tubes. It's amazing how the sources of ideas affects their acceptance.
Carefully read what you initially posted, and then think about who exactly might be a "stupid idiot."
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Utz makes a good bag of chips, but they keep their recipe to them selves as a "trade secret" which goes against everything the free software software movement is about. What if I want my chips fried with a twist of lime? The closed ecosystem of Utz chips stifles competition and limits consumer choice. Demand open source potato chips!
Say goodbye to whatever karma you had and say hello to a lot more freaks. I see you have a lot already, and only four fans (one of whom has "troll" in his name).
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Steve's use of a chair to explain his strategy to 'f'ing kill' Google
So, you are claiming that Utz researched and created the US RDAs listed on the label?
Did they do this independently, or do they secretly own the FDA (and the Bavarian Illuminati)?
Last time I had olestra potato chips I thought a friend slipped me some high potency laxatives. It was a super colon blow that made me lethargic for days. Well, my point is that Utz is by far the best tasting potato chip around. I used to get upset when the convenience store next to my work was sold out of Utz and I had to buy the ultra thin crappy (sunflowery) tasting Lays potato chips. I don't want my chip to taste like a flower, thank you. For an extra special surprise in flavor-ville, try Grandma Utz (old fashioned) chips. You wouldn't have though any potato could ever have so much texture and taste.
"Linked data is data you can click on. It will take you to another data set."
I've thought since early 2000's that our data structures (like JSON) need the concept of a pointer. What would it look like? A URL, of course -- a URL pointing to yet more JSON data.
{"name": "Lion Kimbro", "favorite color": "yellow", "homepage": "http://www.speakeasy.org/~lion/", "friends": [http://example.org/joel, http://example.org/whit, http://example.org/phil, http://example.org/amber%5D}
The idea here being that you have API support to dereference, say, friends[0], when you make use of it. The data is pulled and connected up with the local memory system when it's used.
I'll take this potato chip...AND EAT IT!
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From someone who got a knighthood for his work on inventing the Web, this sort of 'insight' is frankly pathetic - he says nothing new, that hasn't been churned over for at least the last decade.
The fact that TimBL is playing catch up to several thousand years of information science and trying to palm off his insights as novel, reaffirms my belief that he should stickto http and Hornby train sets, areas where he has proven expertise...
This is a weird post for you. I specifically remember your strange nick and some good comments made in the past. Hopefully your account has been hacked.
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All I see is -1 flamebait and -1 troll. Nothing to "see" here. Now go away, boy, you bother me.
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Being inducted into the GNAA dose not constitute "credit" in any form I am aware of. Idiot.
Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?