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Google Reportedly Ditching Windows

Reader awyeah notes a Financial Times report that Google is ditching the use of Windows internally. Some blogs have picked up the FT piece but so far there isn't any other independent reporting of the claim, which is based on comments from anonymous Googlers. One indication of possibly hasty reporting is the note that Google "employs more than 10,000 workers internationally," whereas it's easy enough to find official word that the total exceeds 20,000. "The directive to move to other operating systems began in earnest in January, after Google's Chinese operations were hacked, and could effectively end the use of Windows at Google. ... 'We're not doing any more Windows. It is a security effort,' said one Google employee. ... New hires are now given the option of using Apple's Mac computers or PCs running the Linux operating system. 'Linux is open source and we feel good about it,' said one employee. 'Microsoft we don't feel so good about.' ... Employees wanting to stay on Windows required clearance from 'quite senior levels,' one employee said. 'Getting a new Windows machine now requires CIO approval,' said another employee."

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  1. Flamebait by Cougem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Linux is open source and we feel good about it,' said one employee. 'Microsoft we don't feel so good about.'

    However, they feel pretty good about a closed-source implementation of an open source operating system on locked-in hardware? This sounds rather flamebaity and very light on facts.

    1. Re:Flamebait by bsDaemon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can run Office on a Mac. You can run iWork on a Mac. You can run NeoOffice on a Mac. You can run OpenOffice on Linux. Gmail or Zimbra can probably do nearly everything that they'd maybe need Exchange for, but I doubt Google used Exchange in the first place. Most of their engineers will probably pick Linux, and most of their "office droids" will probably get a Mac by default. A modern Linux or MacOS X desktop is hardly an Ultra5 with Solaris 8 with nasty purple CDE pretending XEmacs is a word processor.

    2. Re:Flamebait by onefriedrice · · Score: 4, Insightful

      'Linux is open source and we feel good about it,' said one employee. 'Microsoft we don't feel so good about.' However, they feel pretty good about a closed-source implementation of an open source operating system on locked-in hardware? This sounds rather flamebaity and very light on facts.

      I think you've missed something. Read the sentence; they look at open source as a benefit and they feel good about it (Linux). That doesn't mean that the fact that Linux is open source is the only or even the biggest reason they like it. Obviously they also feel good about Mac OS X despite the fact that it's not 100% open source. Get it?

      Corporations choose what makes sense to increase their bottom line. To that end, they think Linux makes sense. The fact that Linux is open source is just icing on the cake.

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    3. Re:Flamebait by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure they're apple mod douche bags.

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    4. Re:Flamebait by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. You add an accessory Bluetooth keyboard and it turns into a PC replacement that easily replaces XP for most users.

      It's not that scary that you believe that, what's scary is that 3 others with mod points believed that.

      An Ipad with a bluetooth keyboard would be a complete pain in the arse to use every day. Not to mention the tiny screen size, risk of theft and the fact that none of our software would work properly.

      There is no decent alternative to outlook. Yes outlook has a lot of functionality that many business users need, a user may only need 10% of it but each user uses a different 10%. Between all the end users in a 50 person org at least 80% of all functions are used in Word, Excel, Visio, Project and Outlook. Your experiences are not typical.

      Not to mention production software, ArcGIS wouldn't run, neither will Quickbooks nor will any of the other prod software we use.

      What about printing?

      Ipad's cant access file shares, are you seriously suggesting that everyone keeps all their work locally?

      Enterprise tools (auditing, communications and collaboration, content control).

      You cant even turn one on without another PC.

      Finally we still have the gorilla arm problem when using the touch screen to do basic functions like open programs and scroll. Lack of multi-tasking is another big one, most users in a call centre open at least 3 programs (call tracking, inter-office IM and knowledge base).

      Really, have you thought about this at all.

      You can't make assumptions about iPad based on previous tablets.

      You cant make assumptions about office work based on your limited Ipad experience.

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    5. Re:Flamebait by drsmithy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People managed to check email, schedule tasks and appointments, manage contacts and keep notes before Outlook came on the scene. There may no good one-stop alternative, but maybe that's not such a bad thing. Outlook is a bloated monster that, if running on its own, uses a horrible flat file database, and if running on a network, uses Exchange, which, when it works is great, but as anyone who has to debug it when it goes nuts knows, can be an absolute nightmare.

      Sure. People used to communicate before email and mobile phones as well - that doesn't mean they did it as efficiently.

      Outlook-Exchange is absurdly expensive [...]

      If you seriously think Outlook+Exchange is "absurdly expensive", then you've little experience out in the real world.

      Exchange might cost a piddling $100-$200 per user over 3 years. There's no shortage of professional software packages that cost over $10,000 *per user*, to say nothing of things like Oracle that cost ca. $40k per CPU socket. Heck, smoking breaks probably cost the typical employer more per year than their Exchange environment.

      In context, Exchange (or, indeed, pretty much all Microsoft software) is not expensive.

      For us its pure economics. With limited budgets and the need to expand, we're between a rock and a hard place, and if it means moving to a somewhat less convenient web-based mail/scheduling system, well, that's just the way it will be.

      If your employer can't afford Exchange CALs, you've got much, much bigger things to be worried about.

    6. Re:Flamebait by exomondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Remember, the only serious thing an iPad is good > for is serious content consumption

      Bullshit. You add an accessory Bluetooth keyboard and it turns into a PC replacement that easily replaces XP for most users.

      You can't zip up and send files

      You can't receive and unzip files

      You can't print

      You can't connect any usb devices

      Useless encryption

      No decent audio/video/image editing

      No Flash/Silverlight

      No Java Applets

      You can't even activate it without a PC

      The only thing that's Bullshit is your idea that the average user does not need/want to do any of the above things.

    7. Re:Flamebait by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not everyone works for Fortune 500 companies. There are many small businesses and schools that do not need Microsoft's expansive (from their point of view) software.

    8. Re:Flamebait by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You add an accessory Bluetooth keyboard and it turns into a PC replacement that easily replaces XP for most users.

      Uhh.. Considering the very first thing you must do with an ipad before you can do *anything* with it is PLUG IT INTO A REAL COMPUTER, your entire premise is full of fail.

      It can't be a "PC replacement" if you need to plug it into a PC in order to use it.

  2. neato by lobf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not as smart as most of you slashdotters, but this seems smart in that they can write their own security updates with Linux, as opposed to waiting for Microsoft to fix them.

  3. Re:2010... by williamhb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The year of Linux on...

    Never mind.

    That may well be part of Google's intention. Microsoft and Google have long been trying to kill each other. Tech companies seemed to have a policy of trying to scorch some earth around their market -- pre-emptive strikes against companies that might move into their competitive market in the future. So, Microsoft spent large quantities of cash to kill Netscape and AOL. Google are spending much moer than they are earning on Google Docs to try to kill Microsoft's Office market. Microsoft are spending large quantities of cash to try to kill Google's search advertising market. And more recently Google are spending lots of cash to try to kill Microsoft's Windows market. Taking the pain of moving a lot of staff from one operating system to another sounds like another effort in that regard. They hit Microsoft in PR ("see, one of the world's biggest companies doesn't use Windows at all -- it's not necessary for business"), and they particularly boost Linux's desktop user base and market reputation (they also boost Apple, but Apple needs it less). Not to mention the extra 20% time that desktop Linux projects might soon be getting...

  4. Re:I want to see the long term results of this... by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows, if administered right? There are new critical flaws found almost daily. Windows can be locked down pretty tight if you remove the network cable though. I don't think Windows has yet earned the security ratings that various *NIXes have. If I'm wrong, please show me.

    I had a Linux machine I put up get hacked once though... I set up a machine for someone and told them explicitly, "CHANGE THE PASSWORD!" He agreed to. He didn't and it was compromised within two days. After that, though, it was all good. Linux seems trivial to lock down but perhaps it is because it is less of a target... or perhaps not. Time will tell. But the nice thing about Linux is that there are so many of them. Find a flaw in one, it may not apply to others and even if it does, it might require some tweaks to make the exploit work as needed. The point here is that even though machines could be compromised "as easily" it couldn't as easily be done using a massive wave of self-replicating exploits where compromised machines go on the attack automatically searching for more vulnerable machines to infect. The DNA of Linux has very healthy variations while Windows is a pygmy village just waiting for someone to kill them with the next "common cold."

  5. Developers on ChromeOS? by Fished · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tell me... what IDE runs on ChromeOS? Where's the Emacs for Android? When I see that, we'll talk. Until then, I don't think that Google's going to be able to migrate it's most vital employees (engineers) to "eat their own dogfood." Might be interesting to migrate support staff, but that's not where the heart of Google is.

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  6. Re:MACS???!?! by Golias · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This old myth has never been true.

    Apache is more popular than the Windows web server, yet gets hacked less, which completely debunks the idea that being a market leader is the only reason Microsoft products are so shockingly vulnerable to attacks.

    OS X is a GUI shell on a BSD layer on a Mach engine. Like any flavor of *nix, it was designed from the ground up to live safely in networked, multi-user environments.

    It's an order of magnitude harder to hack than a Windows box, because of superior design. This has been demonstrated over and over for nearly a decade now, yet the MS fanboys continue with the silly drumbeat that Macs are only enjoying security via obscurity.

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  7. Re:MACS???!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, since all platforms are hacked at the conference, it shows that the Mac is the biggest prize.

    More to the point, the weakness exploited was in Safari (in all but one case) and required user intervention in all cases. For Windows, systems were compromised in ways requiring no user interaction.

    So it does actually show that a Mac is harder to "pwn". It's not like the time of pwn2own means anything--the hackers have all prepared their exploits and practiced them for months in advance.