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Wikileaks Was Launched With Intercepts From Tor

The New Yorker is featuring a long and detailed profile of Julian Assange, founder of Wikileaks. From this Wired's Threat Level pulls out one salient detail: that Wikileaks' initial scoop came from documents intercepted from Tor exit routers. The eavesdropping was pulled off by a Wikileaks activist — neither the New Yorker nor Wired knows who or even in what country he or she resides. "The siphoned documents, supposedly stolen by Chinese hackers or spies who were using the Tor network to transmit the data, were the basis for Wikileaks founder Julian Assange's assertion in 2006 that his organization had already 'received over one million documents from 13 countries' before his site was launched ..." Update: 06/02 06:31 GMT by T : In reaction to the Wired story, and the New Yorker story on which it drew, Andrew Lewman of the Tor Project points to this explanation / reminder of what Tor's software actually does and does not do. Relevant to the claims reported above, it reads in part "We hear from the Wikileaks folks that the premise behind these news articles is actually false -- they didn't bootstrap Wikileaks by monitoring the Tor network. But that's not the point. The point is that users who want to be safe need to be encrypting their traffic, whether they're using Tor or not." This flat denial of the assertion that Wikileaks was bootstrapped with documents sniffed from the Tor network is repeated unambiguously in correspondence from Wikileaks volunteers.

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  1. So what? by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary is written as if Tor is suppose to be secure from eavesdropping. It isn't. It's supposed to offer anonymity. There's nothing to indicate that the _source_ of the documents was compromised.

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    "National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a very simple solution to this problem:

      Encrypt your data before sending it over Tor

      I sincerely hope any serious US agency using Tor for operations would take this precaution; it seems stupid not to do so, unless the goal is to provide disinformation

    2. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...because if the US govt agencies DIDN'T use such common-sense security tactics, they (and me, and my family, and my community) would easily be taken over by another government that is just as effective in screwing the world, dominating the weak, and murdering innocents.

      I don't excuse our government's behavior, but it's not as if the rest of the world is made up of sane, caring individuals...

    3. Re:So what? by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They use the same secrecy to turn you into a slave.

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      "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
    4. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, this article reflects on Wikileaks not on Tor. The summary is written as if some information was more stolen than purposely leaked. This reflects on Wikileaks in two ways:

      First, it seems somehow more noble when an internal dissident leaks an embarrassing secret, for example the Pentagon Papers. Whereas coming by information that was not purposely leaked is more suspect. (Though still possibly useful and possibly ethical. For example, publishing specs of the lost iPhone 4G.)

      Second, since this information was intercepted by Wikileaks while being stolen *by someone else*, it points to Wikileaks' role in highlighting a security flaw in the source organization. Perhaps they wouldn't even have known about that theft unless Wikileaks published it.

      So this isn't really about Tor per se.

    5. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As long as they entertain us, we don't care. In fact, you're blocking the TV.. move out of the way..

    6. Re:So what? by Unordained · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I use a car to get to work. Terrorists use cars to blow things up. Clearly, the tool is equal to the usage.

    7. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      and who guarantees, the realname i'm using is MY realname, if i'm posting anonymous?+

    8. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So?? I build bombs in my basement all the time for perfectly legal means!!

    9. Re:So what? by RichiH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People making tunnels, savely detonating avalanches, digging for resources, destructing old buildings use bombs. Terrorists use cars to blow things up. Clearly, the tool is equal to the usage.

      And while the bomb may cause the explosion (or rather the explosive in the bomb), cars are used regularly as a deployment vector of the bomb.

    10. Re:So what? by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If they send unencrypted sensitive data over a public network they get everything they deserve ...

      Private secure networks are there for a reason

      Encryption is there for a reason

      Tor (Anonymizing networks) are there for a reason

      Use the combination you need depending on the data you need to send ....

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  2. transparency by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Transparency is what the information age is for. It will be interesting to see how political bodies adjust... on one hand, the leaks are damaging, and truly innocuous or routine things can be spun and blown way out of proportion by opposition groups. On the other hand, they now have to behave to higher ethical standards (or at least the appearance of high ethical standards) because virtually anything could become public knowledge.

    1. Re:transparency by Strong+Arm+Coat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where's the "Wishful Thinking" mod when you need it?

  3. Re:A leak != Espionage by linzeal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Heh, there have been rumors this has been a bonanza for the intelligence community. If wikileaks is doing it you can bet every three letter agency in the world has been doing it too.

  4. Re:Worry by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't question the validity of their information. If their information wasn't valid, then companies wouldn't sue to have it taken down the way they have been. They'd be going with anti-defamation suits. They haven't been.

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    "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." Proverbs 16:25 (NKJV)
  5. Re:Fundamental Flaw? by Cougar+Town · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Would this be a fundamental flaw of the TOR network? If you don't know who's controlling the exit nodes, then you will never know if the information you send is truly secure.

    Tor offers anonymity, not security. Encryption and signing is for security. The two can be combined.

  6. Re:Fundamental Flaw? by Virak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, this is a fundamental flaw with unencrypted communication, which is exactly what you're doing when you use Tor to access things outside of the Tor network without additional encryption. Either stay inside the network or ensure whatever you're running over it has its own encryption, simple as that. As always, the biggest threat to security is incompetence.

  7. Re:Hmmmmm by grcumb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds like an excellent way to spread disinformation.....even better than say.....the New York Times.

    You know, even as recently as the salad days of my youth, I could have labeled you a troll for writing that about the NYT.

    Now, alas, all I can do is nod my head sadly in agreement.

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    Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
  8. This is why I only use Tor by fishexe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...for getting around the Great Firewall to d/l porn and access facebook, not for doing anything that needs to be secure.

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    "I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
  9. Re:Innocent world theory does not apply to govs. by Fjandr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The attempts by large groups to dominate the weak occurred long before capitalism, and will continue should capitalism ever cease to exist. It is simply one model of domination. There are many more in existence.

  10. rather, stuff coming from exit nodes by Onymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More precisely, it is not the nodes themselves that are the risk, but the (unencrypted) communication coming from the exit nodes.