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Washington Wants 10,000 Web Surfers

crimeandpunishment writes "This one sounds too good to be true: surf the Web, and you'll be helping the government. The FCC is looking for 10,000 volunteers to take part in a study to determine if broadband providers are really providing Internet connections that are as fast as advertised. The broad look at broadband will involve special equipment installed in homes across the country to measure Internet connections and compare them to advertised speeds." Here's where to go to apply.

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  1. Offer you can't refuse by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you get selected, can you call up your ISP and give them a head's up? Maybe you could get a ... special price for a big upgrade in speed.

    More seriously, since my only realistic option to get decent Internet speed is Verizon Fios, and they've basically given up on rolling that out, I'm basically screwed for at least another few years. Serves me right for being a loyal Verizon customer for over a decade, my fault.

  2. Before anyone asks... by thePsychologist · · Score: 4, Informative

    This thing doesn't look at your surfing habits, and it's not available to those who download more than 30GB/month, which probably excludes many Slashdotters.

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    1. Re:Before anyone asks... by toleraen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because the FCC says so! They've never lied to anyone, right?

    2. Re:Before anyone asks... by beakerMeep · · Score: 2, Funny

      They hired the Google Street View team to code the drivers.

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  3. As Admiral Ackbar says... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a trap! Are we actually supposed to believe that even if they *do* find foul play, the ISP's are actually going to get punished with any efficacy?

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    1. Re:As Admiral Ackbar says... by davester666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You don't think the major ISP's have the ability to prioritize traffic to specific locations. Methinks consumers will happen to get much better throughput to this website than they will get to most others...

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    2. Re:As Admiral Ackbar says... by clarkn0va · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't think the major ISP's have the ability to prioritize traffic to specific locations. Methinks consumers will happen to get much better throughput to this website than they will get to most others...

      As long as it's in the ISP's interest to cast their speed in the best light (and I would think so in this case), I think it's pretty much a given that they will game this test accordingly, to the extent that they can.

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    3. Re:As Admiral Ackbar says... by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, seeing as how they're looking for volunteers it's not as if they're going to uncover anything illegal. Think about it, what person that downloads illegal material would, in their right mind, volunteer to have a freaking monitoring box hooked up to their network.

      So probably not a trap.

      Yes, the ISPs have lobbyists and I'd usually be quick to say that nothing will happen because the lobbyists will kill anything they don't like. But at the same time the government has never actually gone to the effort of doing this type or survey before. Sure, you can write off an internet speed test as nothing more than lip service, but a study involving 10000 and monitoring equipment for an extended period of time? This indicates that they're actually prepared to do something. No doubt the lobbyists have already been campaigning against this but apparently it didn't stop them from moving forward with it anyway.

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    4. Re:As Admiral Ackbar says... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Methinks consumers will happen to get much better throughput to this website than they will get to most others...

      It'll be like the well-known food critic who goes to a downtown restaurant and writes "The service is uniformly excellent... Portions are big and the coat-check girl extremely friendly".

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  4. The Government? by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are you sure this isn't an effort by the *IAA crowd to 'happen upon' illegal file sharing or other such frowned upon activities?

    Call me stupid, paranoid or even bat-shit crazy, but I don't want the government (or *IAA) installing a device that my "bandwidth" goes through. If they want that level of access let them get a warrant ;-)

    1. Re:The Government? by FlyByPC · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, you could do a reverse sting. Set up a bunch of torrents of Ubuntu Linux or some such totally Free content, then rename it as AvatarDVDRip.iso.torrent or something like that (with the content files renamed as well). Or use random data so it won't match the Ubuntu checksum, if they look for that. When they complain, you've got 'em.

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    2. Re:The Government? by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Interesting

          Nope, you don't dispose of anything, because as you indicated, you'll be busted for tampering with evidence.

          Tell them "Not without a warrant, and I'm not talking without my lawyer", go inside, pour yourself a nice cold (non-alcoholic) drink. Then go sit on the porch smile and wait for your lawyer to arrive and for the judge to say no to the warrant because they didn't have just cause for the search in the first place. If they had cause in the first place, they wouldn't have tried to search without a warrant.

          With your lawyer present, they'll have to stick with the letter of the law. Make sure they do everything as required. If your state requires, upon request, that they read every word of the warrant to you before searching, make them read it.

          This doesn't make it so you were avoiding the law. It doesn't make you look guilty. With your lawyer present, you were following the letter of the law for your own protection. So what if they take your shovel, duct tape, rope, and hand tools? If they can't directly tie your property to the crime scene, it's circumstantial, and will be argued so by your lawyer.

          If you're innocent, it will only serve to help you. You were protecting your rights as a citizen of the United States of America. If you are guilty, well, you do deserve to get caught, and it will only show that they did everything correctly.

          Years ago, a friend of mine had the police show up wanting to search the house. It was the morning after a big party. Guests were still sleeping around the house. He required them to follow the law to the letter (including reading the warrant out loud before entering). They did manage to get a judge to sign off on the probable cause warrant, but they didn't find anything related to the warrant. They tried to ask party guests who they were, which was generally followed by a hung over "Fuck you. I'm sleeping. Go away." They tried a few other times, which met with the same result. In reality, what they were trying to find simply didn't exist there.

          You never have to take police harassment laying down. Make them do their jobs properly, and you've created a nice long paper trail of the abuse. When you go to sue the police for harassment, you can now show a half dozen searches that didn't find any evidence. Now you go from being the defendant to being the plaintiff. Always take down names, badge numbers, get a copy of the warrant(s), and take notes of what they do. The police use their notes in court, and you should too.

          I've had the police want to search my car without a warrant. I've told them, "I'd prefer if you don't, but if you feel you must you could obtain a warrant. It's ok, I'll wait." I've never had them get a warrant. The warrant still has to be specific to what they're looking for. If they get a warrant for "illegal drugs and paraphernalia", and they find something else, it's not admissible as evidence. Of course, if they find a bloody knife, they can obtain another warrant which will likely be expanded to include your residence and surrounding property.

          (IANAL, and your jurisdiction may be different. Talk to a defense lawyer where you live for jurisdiction appropriate advice.)

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  5. Too good to be true? by GrahamCox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would I help the government? Are they going to pay me? If not, it's hardly "too good to be true", more like doing their work for them.

    1. Re:Too good to be true? by daveime · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because like everything else, the days of "being a good neighbour" are long gone.

      Example that happened to my own brother years ago ... We were out on the town one Friday, and my brother spotted something amiss further up the avenue. A guy beating the crap out of (presumably) his girlfriend. My brother runs up and punches the guy out. Next thing the police arrive, immediately get the wrong end of the stick (helped in part by the stupid girl who then defended her boyfriend's actions and said my brother had been the instigator of the violence), end result being my brother gets jailed overnight and faced an assault charge. Luckily due to the testimony of me and my friends who'd also witnessed the incident, at least the judge had the common sense to let him off with a caution.

      But the fact remains, these days you DO NOT get involved. There's so many ways you end up getting bitten in the ass by trying to be a good citizen.

      yes, this broadband monitoring MIGHT be for the good of the people, and it might just as easily end up in the hands of the RIAA or christ knows who, and you facing a day in court arguing a P2P "illegality", with the big boys holding evidence obtained using a government based monitoring system. Tell me, who's going to win ?

      Fuck it, better to be safe than sorry ...

    2. Re:Too good to be true? by muridae · · Score: 2, Funny

      The re-captcha I got when looking at the signup sheet was "that narcs". While not being paranoid about helping the government, this detail does give me pause.

    3. Re:Too good to be true? by dbet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, they either ask for volunteers, or hire people. Option 1 costs them (and you) less.

    4. Re:Too good to be true? by RoFLKOPTr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would I help the government? Are they going to pay me? If not, it's hardly "too good to be true", more like doing their work for them.

      Why would you help the government? Doing their work for them? Last I checked, this was a government by the People for the People, and if you are a citizen of the United States of America, you are a part of that. It's one thing if you argue against this initiative because it's not something you would like your tax dollars spent on, but to insinuate that the government is using the citizens to get "free" work out of them is almost offensive.

      Now, if this was a mandatory program, that would be a completely different story, but this is a voluntary way that you may apply to take part in of crowdsourcing data about the ISPs that we all know have been guilty of little (and some not so little) lies about the capabilities of their networks in a way that doesn't cost a fuckshitton of money and can be constantly monitored for realtime results.

    5. Re:Too good to be true? by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Last I checked, this was a government by the People for the People

      You need to check again.

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  6. "Washington" is a US State by huskerdoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Argh! for the 8^56th time!

    - "Washington" is a US State founded in 1889.
    - "Washington D.C." is the Capital of the United States.

    This article was obviously not written by anyone on the west coast.

    1. Re:"Washington" is a US State by iammani · · Score: 3, Funny
  7. As a consumer... by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I care about speed, but I also care about transfer caps. Note that I'm not saying we should legislate this (I'm about to pay for "business class" service without a cap), but I'm saying 250 GB a month doesn't cut it for me. I transfer large disk images (server backups, even compressed, they're big) several times per month , move virtual machine images around on a routine basis, use streaming video services in lieu of television, streaming audio on top of that, etc. The list goes on, and my #1 concern isn't the transfer speed anymore. It's the transfer cap.

  8. Seriously /.? by AngryPhysicist · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm impressed. Really I am. Of all the complaints I've read in commentary, about the way major ISP's are treating their customers, this should be a call to arms for everyone. But no, everyone here has to put on their tin-foil hat and cower in fear because the government is actually trying to give a damn. They are asking for your help to prove to the rest of the nation that you are being ripped off by your ISP. They even describe what they intend to do with your bandwidth usage in the FAQs!

    How does this affect my security and privacy? The unit operates as a normal router and exposes absolutely no services to the Internet. It's similar to installing a print server or a NAS on to your home network - it's a cut down device that serves a very specific purpose. We should point out that assuming the unit is installed as per the instructions, all network traffic will be flowing through it. However, the unit simply acts as a standard switch or standard router and does not look at any of the packets flowing across your network. It only monitors traffic volumes for the purposes of deciding when to run (or not to run!) the tests and to measure consumption. Testing information uploaded from the unit to our servers contains no information about you whatsoever. Furthermore, all such communications are encrypted, ensuring that results cannot be tampered with en-route. Your individual unit's test results will be available to you alone. Your unit's results will also be aggregated with others from the same ISP to form a larger average set of results that can be viewed publicly. We have absolutely no intention of doing anything that may adversely affect your privacy or security. If you have any concerns please feel free to contact us to discuss them. SamKnows, on behalf of the FCC, is collecting and storing broadband performance information, including various personally identifiable information (PII) such as the street addresses, email addresses, online usage patterns, and broadband performance information, from those individuals who are participating voluntarily in this test. SamKnows will not release, disclose to the public, or share any PII with any outside entities, including the FCC, except as is consistent with the Privacy Act of 1974, Public Law 93579 (5 U.S.C. 552a(b)(5)). For more information, see the SamKnows privacy policy. The broadband performance information that is made available to the public, including the FCC, will be in an aggregated form and with all PII removed, in compliance with subsection (b)(5) of the Privacy Act of 1974, as amended (5 U.S.C. 552a), and the SamKnows privacy policy. The broadband performance information that is made available to the public, including the FCC, will be in an aggregated form and with all PII removed, in compliance with subsection (b)(5) of the SamKnows privacy policy. The FCC is soliciting this information under authority of the Broadband Data Improvement Act of 2008, Pub. L. No. 110-385, Stat 4096 103(c)(1); American Reinvestment and Recovery Act of 2009 (ARRA), Pub. L. No. 111-5, 123 Stat 115 (2009); and Section 154(i) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended.

    https://www.testmyisp.com/faq.html If you consider this flaimbait, I don't care. But for once, stop being paranoid and actually take the chance to help out. And before anyone asks, yes I am new here.