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AMD's Fusion Processor Combines CPU and GPU
ElectricSteve writes "At Computex 2010 AMD gave the first public demonstration of its Fusion processor, which combines the Central Processing Unit (CPU) and Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) on a single chip. The AMD Fusion family of Accelerated Processing Units not only adds another acronym to the computer lexicon, but ushers is what AMD says is a significant shift in processor architecture and capabilities. Many of the improvements stem from eliminating the chip-to-chip linkage that adds latency to memory operations and consumes power — moving electrons across a chip takes less energy than moving these same electrons between two chips. The co-location of all key elements on one chip also allows a holistic approach to power management of the APU. Various parts of the chip can be powered up or down depending on workloads."
I'm hoping moving things into the CPU will make it easier to take advantage of the huge parallel architecture of modern GPUs.
For what, you ask?
I'm personally interested in sound synthesis. I play the piano, and while you can get huge sample libraries (> 10 GB), they're not realistic enough when it comes to the dynamics.
Instead people have been researching physical models of the piano. So you simulate a piano in software, or the main components of it, and extract the sound from that. Nowadays there are even commercial offerings, like Pianoteq (www.pianoteq.com) and Roland's V-Piano. Problem is that while this improves dynamics dramatically, they're not accurate enough yet to produce a fully convincing tone.
I think that's partly because nobody understands how to model the piano fully yet, at least judging from the research literature I've read, but also very much because even a modern CPU simply can't deliver enough FLOPS.
I also heard that they *share* FP math units between CPU and GPU.
The 6-core Intel processor is the Extreme Edition (always was introduced at $1000), and frankly smokes every other desktop processor out there.
AMD is the value-choice - they're cheaper at the same performance point, but they don't really compete in the over $250 desktop arena.
On the server front, Intel's introduction of Core2 based Xeons allowed it to compete again, and right now AMD is leader only in some cases in server performance (some are draws, but most I think go to Intel). Too bad, as server processors were producing a lot of money for AMD.
Intel is also leader in performance/watt, due to a complex power delivery architecture and better processor production facilities.
Meanwhile, AMD competes where it can on the processor front (but ruled the previous 6 months on the performance graphic front).
Will the drivers for the graphics be open source or will we be crawling out of this proprietary driver hole we have been trying to climb out of for over a decade?
Indeed.
This GPU-on-the-CPU is targeting the mobile/lightweight market.
Think about how the other solutions work. That GPU chip sits next to the CPU chip and they both must be connected to the system bus in order to access ram. With AMD's solution here, you remove that GPU chip and therefor also remove the external BUS connection that it required. This is a very big win for manufacturers, who would even pay a premium for the chip because of the lower production costs. But knowing AMD, they wont be charging a premium for it. Instead they will try to push Atom's out of the market.
"His name was James Damore."
Well, "incorporating a better GPU" makes quite a bit of difference, considering i3/i5 solution isn't much of an improvement almost anywhere (speed - not really, cost - yeah, I can see Intel willingly passing the savings...anyway, cpu + mobo combo hasn't got cheaper at all, power consumption is one but mostly due to how Intel chipsets were not great at this); and seemed to be almost a fast "first" solution, announced quite a bit after the Fusion.
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| This will be the equivalent of putting audio on the motherboard, a low baseline quality but done with no cost.
I don't think you are viewing this correctly. I wish they didn't call it a GPU because your thought on the matter is what people are going to think of first. Instead think of it as the Fusion between a normal threaded CPU and a massively parallel processing unit. This thing is going to smoke current CPUs in things like physic operations without the need of anything like CUDA and without the performance limit of the PCIe bus. The biggest problem with discrete cards is pulling data off the cards because the PCIe bus is only fast in one direction (data into the card). This thing is going to be clocked much higher then discrete cards in addition to having direct access to the memory controller.
I don't think many have even scratched the surface of what a PPU (Parallel Processing Unit) can do or how it can improve the quality of just about any application ... I think this is going to be Hott.
It'll also be interesting to see how they manage to use this in tandem with a discrete card, as in preprocessing the data and assisting the discrete card to be more efficient.
cost - yeah, I can see Intel willingly passing the savings...anyway, cpu + mobo combo hasn't got cheaper at all
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This is where Intel's monopolistic behaviour rears its ugly head. In the past, the GPU needed to be integrated on the motherboard. Now it's on the CPU but Intel motherboard chipsets cost the same as previous generations. Seems like a terrific opportunity a market for 3rd party chipset vendors to make an offering (like the good old days when you could choose from VIA, Nvidia, SiS, Intel,
But wait, Intel will no longer allows 3rd parties to produce chipsets for their CPUs and keeps the profits from the artificially inflated chipset market to itself. Intel may have the performance crown, but its reasons like this (and the OEM slush funds to lock out AMD from Dell and other vendors) that keep me from supporting "Chipzilla"
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