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Jumbo Dual-Screen "Kno" Tablet Debuts At D8

itwbennett writes "The Microsoft Courier may be a dead project, but that doesn't mean you can't still have a dual-touchscreen e-reader. And a super-sized one at that, says blogger Peter Smith. The Kno, which debuted at All Things Digital's D8 conference yesterday has 'two 14.1-inch (1440 x 900) capacitive touch screens. Each screen has its own battery, giving the Kno 8-hours of battery life, but a hefty weight of 5.5 lbs. ... If Kno (the company) has its way, students will be carrying around a Kno (the device) rather than a stack of textbooks. That's the reason for the huge screens; most textbook pages can be shown 'full size' on a 14-inch screen.' Engadget, who got some hands-on time with the device, says 'the entire experience is essentially a WebKit instance.' Price is still up in the air but Ina Fried at CNET says the company is aiming for a price well under $1,000."

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  1. Different than a laptop? by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So why not just get a laptop? For $400 you can get a 14 inch screen, full keyboard, a real OS, can do tons of other things, etc.

    If its not e-ink to reduce strain on eyes, not running a real OS (as in full Windows, Linux or OS X), no full keyboard, etc. Why buy it? Under $1,000 means nothing, if its $200, yeah, I can think about getting one. For $250, I can buy a dedicated e-ink e-reader, for $350, I can buy a low end laptop or decent network, for $500 I can buy a great laptop or an iPad and anything more than $500 would just be pointless.

    Really, why would I want a giant, heavy, LCD tablet not running a real OS?

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    1. Re:Different than a laptop? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When was the last time I -wanted- to scribble notes on my laptop screen. I can type much, much, much, much, much faster than I can write and they are much readable than my handwriting. I had a tablet in college, one of those old things running Windows CE with a keyboard bottom and a touch screen pivoting top. I used the note taking app exactly twice before I realized I should have just shelled out for a fast laptop.

      As much as everyone thinks that they would get a lot of use of a tablet in university. They won't. Get a fast laptop, its much better in the long run unless

      A) You have the weird ability to write at superhuman speeds that is still legible

      B) You have superhuman drawing abilities and enjoy drawing diagrams for everything

      As for running "Linux" you have a locked down obscure distribution. Yeah, if it gets popular you might have a community developing things for it, but you aren't going to be able to apt-get everything like Debian and Ubuntu.

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    2. Re:Different than a laptop? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure but at least when I was taking my courses, any of my classes that really relied on diagrams would either have them printed in the book for you or the lecturer would put them on CD (or floppy!) for any student who wanted it.

      I think though university has changed a lot since the days of floppy disks and handwritten notes. Most people who I've talked to in university say that nearly every single professor has their notes up on their site, most textbooks have electronic versions (though its questionable if you can use it if you buy a used textbooks) and even the local college is advertising free laptops with tuition!

      When I went, technology was just budding in education and was more just added in addition to traditional courses. The way it is now, the entire university system is based on technology, especially when it comes to taking notes.

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    3. Re:Different than a laptop? by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, it's a capacitive screen and they didn't mention an active digitizer so I don't know how well scribbling would work anyway.

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    4. Re:Different than a laptop? by HBoar · · Score: 2, Informative

      I finished undergrad three years ago, and am still at university doing postgrad work.... Some lecturers certainly do provide either hard or soft copies of all their notes, but plenty still don't. I can't see this changing, as they do it to encourage students to actually attend lectures, rather than just get the notes off the website and not bother.

      There are certainly some papers in mechanical engineering that are still pretty heavy on copying down notes here -- and I don't see it as a bad thing, I actually learned more in this style of lecture simply because it forces you to pay a certain amount of attention....

    5. Re:Different than a laptop? by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently to you reading the post before replying is pointless, the device that would be over $500 isn't a laptop but the Kno. The op made no value judgement on laptops over $500, just saying that slate devices over that price don't really have a market segment.

    6. Re:Different than a laptop? by imroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      not running a real OS (as in full Windows, Linux or OS X)

      From the first link:

      It runs a browser based OS running on embedded Linux that sounds almost like Chrome OS in some ways.

      Personally, I'm liking the look of the Always Innovating Touch Book. It's much more open, in both the hardware and software. On the downside, that means it's not as polished and ready for mainstream use as the other netbooks/smartbooks.

    7. Re:Different than a laptop? by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      does it come with multitouch and pen interface and two screens on that $400 laptop? No?
      Dell Latitude XT2 with the same sort of touch and pen technology = $2,686.00

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    8. Re:Different than a laptop? by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Informative

      We do not have to be forever shackled to the laptop paradigm. It is OK to develop other types of computers. A laptop is not the END ALL solution for computing. It is a great general purpose design, but there are many areas it can be improved. Not every type of personal computer in the world is going to require a full hardware keyboard to be useful, why is this so hard to understand?

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    9. Re:Different than a laptop? by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find it very hard to pay attention when I'm trying to take handwritten notes, because my handwriting is so incredibly feckin slow. After my first year of Uni I realised I didn't even refer to my notes once in my revision either, so I stopped taking any. Lectures actually being interesting and well presented "forces" me to pay attention a lot more than having to take notes.

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    10. Re:Different than a laptop? by somersault · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah it seems they really missed a trick.. if you're going to have two touchscreens, why not have one capacitive and one resistive? If they'd done that then I'd definitely have bought one of these as it has the best of both worlds :)

      Also just having it as basically a giant textbook reader seems to be limiting the scope a bit. I'm guessing it was maybe running Android though so it will hopefully be capable of far more.

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  2. ePenis/ePeen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They're clearly making up for something. I'll buy one of these, and say to my classmates, "Hey, when you stick that iPad in your backpack, does the backpack say, 'Is it in yet?'?".

  3. I Hope They Improve The Performance by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wasn't impressed with the performance of it in the video. The scrolling stuttered and he had to press/click some items multiple times in order for it to register. It is an interesting device so I hope they can improve its performance. I doubt they'll get the price "well under $1000" with two 14" touch screens.

    1. Re:I Hope They Improve The Performance by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      True, but that really just points up that you should never, ever show something before it is ready. People--even bosses--will only see the glaring things that are wrong. They won't skip past that stuff to see the potential. I think that is one reason Apple is so successful. When they roll out a product it is really ready to go. Don't get excited, I didn't say they were perfect.

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  4. Hardware fix for a software problem by Kashell · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Kno will be a serious failure.

    Publishers damn well could spend a tiny bit of time publishing .epubs that ran well on Kindles and iPads alike. Of course, when you publish electronically, you can't justify $149 for a copy of Organic Chemistry 14th edition, and you can't publish new editions every year to force the used market out of business. Who cares about the consumer when the market is inelastic and professors are forcing you to buy books that equate to the yearly incomes of people in third world countries?

    If publishers won't bother doing such a simple thing for popular devices, do you honestly think they are going to support this monstrosity?

    1. Re:Hardware fix for a software problem by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Just wait until college textbooks are open source. It's already happening with K-12 material:

      http://www.ck12.org/

  5. I'd rather have a 12" tablet by proxima · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A second screen seems less useful than a keyboard, so I'd rather just have the latest tablet offering from Lenovo/HP/etc which converts to a tablet mode with a pen. 5.5 lb is way too heavy to be used like a book (people complain about the ipad's 1.5 lb feeling heavy), though I suppose it's comparable to very large textbook. Still, a now-standard tablet with an extra-large battery and some decent software can do most of what this hopes to do and act as a primary laptop, all for around the same price ($800-$1000).

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  6. Entourage Edge by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree completely. I'm much more interested in the Entourage Edge, or at least the general idea of something like that. One regular LCD screen and one e-ink screen.

    Of course i'll be waiting to see if there's a second generation version that fixes all the problems present in the first model. In particular, it needs to have Android 2.2, complete with access to the regular app store. Both screens need to have multitouch. You need to be able to put it in laptop configuration and use the bottom screen as a virtual keyboard. And it would be nice if when you have it folded all the way backwards you could use the screen on the back to control a pointer on the front screen. (I think the Motorola Backflip does something like that?) Oh yeah, and it needs expandable memory. Now if they could get all that together in one package for a reasonable price i'd be seriously interested.

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    1. Re:Entourage Edge by WinterSolstice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I find the completely different format on the screens a bit distracting, but it's still better than this Kno thing.

      I will just keep carrying a little torch for the Courier that could have been, and stick to my moleskine.

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  7. This is really quite comical by zephvark · · Score: 2

    It's both incredibly cool, and unbelievably stupid. I love it. But they can't possibly make this monstrosity sell at a reasonable price.

  8. Why e-readers? by CMontgomery · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Kno (the company) has its way, students will be carrying around a Kno (the device) rather than a stack of textbooks

    Speaking as a student I want to know why all these companies keep thinking we want e-readers and e-books instead of textbooks. I don't want my textbook to go dead 9 hours into studying, or not be able to have 3-4 books open to 3-4 different sections each. I would however, like one for pleasure reading, but not a $500/5.5 lb machine. What exactly is this for?

  9. Eee touchscreen? by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's the Asus Eee T91, a touchscreen netbook. It's cheaper than the other tablets, runs a real OS (Windows XP, and you could presumably put Linux on there), and isn't too heavy.

    (Unfortunately the problem with Windows 7 Starter seems to be a problem with netbooks in general - there's always XP or Linux; and I'd still rather have Windows 7 starter than a locked down OS designed for phones that can't even multitask.)

  10. Re:Amazing by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    True, though let's face it - if this was from Apple, there'd be people here praising how revolutionary and innovative the idea was.