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Does the Internet Make Humanity Smarter Or Dumber?

Nemilar writes "The Wall Street Journal is running a pair of articles asking whether the Internet is making humanity smarter or dumber. The argument for smarter is that the Internet is simply a change in the rules of publishing, and that the bad material is thrown away; the second story critiques the 'information overload' aspect of the Internet, claiming that we have traded depth of knowledge for velocity and span. What do you think? Does the Internet make you stupid?"

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  1. Of course it can... by ls671 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course it can easily make you dumber, just like TV can make you dumber. The similitude has become to apply after 1995 when big players (telcos, etc.) became Internet providers and when companies and marketing agencies have become to realize to potential of Internet as a marketing tool and viewed it as just like another tool similar to TV.

    Don't get me wrong, it is still possible to use the Internet to get smarter or at least more informed but given what I observe, it for the typical Joe user that uses it in a way comparable to a modern T.V. where you can play games running on the cable company hardware, it makes him dumber.

    You could be surprised by how many people are proud to announce breaking news to me because they received an chain-email containing a ridiculous story that takes me about 30 seconds to debunk. The most worrying part is that they actually deeply believed it before sharing it with me.

    Some people believe anything they watch on TV and read in newspaper. Nowadays, a lot of people believe anything they see on the Internet just like if they had seen it on TV.

    Well to their defense, this is the way it was marketed and sold to them by the big players, just like an extension to TV with very low emphasis on educating people about the technology, security, etc.

     

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    1. Re:Of course it can... by buchner.johannes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The TV makes people (especially kids) dumb, because it is an impoverishment of the senses: Without touching, smelling and hearing (signal is not timed correctly) the brain development is stunted. The brain always learns, but we offer it shit. Ask a neuroscientist like Manfred Spitzer.
      The Internet (as a media) is great at distributing information, and helps freedom of speech, protection against regimes&suppression.
      But don't overlook that information is not produced on the Internet. Anyone who want to contribute something new, will perform a lot of "offline" thought and work first. Progress doesn't come from the thousand monkeys on a typewriter.
      Don't just take them away, replace them with some better use of your time.

      NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.

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    2. Re:Of course it can... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Funny

      Arguing on slashdot makes you ________.

      Um, taller?

    3. Re:Of course it can... by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those people announcing breaking news due to chain email would have been the same ones telling you aliens landed in the next county because their cousin knows a guy who knows a guy.....

      They have always been here, and the internet has no effect on them. It didn't create them. But it quickly helps you prove them wrong.

      More importantly, the net helps us access knowledge quickly, meaning we don't have to know tons of unrelated facts, all we have to know is where to find those facts.

      That used to require trips to the libraries. Now its the Net.

      The net teaches us to be very good at discerning bullshit from true facts, which is a valuable thing.

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    4. Re:Of course it can... by sqldr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm currently procrastinating by reading slashdot when I should be working. Then again, I went online to look up SIMD instructions in visual studio, and I now have the information I need. Swings and roundabouts.

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    5. Re:Of course it can... by ls671 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > The TV makes people (especially kids) dumb

      I am sure TV can be used in a limited manner (say 30 mins a day) to teach kids something. Unfortunately, you may have to search a bit or design your own programs since mainstream programming might not fit the bill most of the time.

      As you mentioned, it is easier to use the Internet in a "filtered way" where you actually use it to enhance yourself. My point was that the typical Joe user isn't aware of this or that he is not interested is doing this, just like some TV users like to watch realty shows and sitcoms.

      Some other posters have mentioned that the Internet is just making dumb people dumber and smart people smarter. In the end, it is the same for TV ;-)

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    6. Re:Of course it can... by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The similitude has become to apply after 1995 when big players (telcos, etc.) became Internet providers and when companies and marketing agencies have become to realize to potential of Internet as a marketing tool and viewed it as just like another tool similar to TV.

      Actually, I do think the Internet makes some people dumber: they can write such grammatically atrocious sentences as yours, and be totally inarticulate, and still get a pass, while those who point this out (like me) get flamed for doing so. Therefore, dumbness is rewarded.

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    7. Re:Of course it can... by Pharmboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would disagree and say that *on average* it has made people smarter. Instead of having to go to the public library, it is faster to find information, do research and get answers. More importantly, it allows people to get multiple answers quickly to compare.

      As to those that it is making dumber: If not for the internet, they would have been watching TV anyway. Some people can't wait to graduate high school, because then they can "quit learning", and they succeed in every way. Before TV, there were plenty of other opportunities to "do nothing", or at least, nothing worthwhile. Those people wouldn't learn new things even if they lived inside the Library of Congress.

      As for regular people, or those with a thirst for knowledge, it has accelerated their ability to find answers and make it more entertaining and less of a drudgery (ie: faster to search in a browser than a card catalog, AND find the books, AND the right page...) I can't tell you how many times that I have looked something up, then found an interesting link, and ended up learning about some tangent idea as well. Yes, I did the same pre-internet, but net has allowed me to do this regularly, as in depth as I care for, and from many sources. At 45, I watch much less TV than 20 years ago, and spend a great deal of time learning, simply because it is fun and easy to do. I can't be alone in this.

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    8. Re:Of course it can... by IICV · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are you really procrastinating? Would you have done ten minutes of work if you hadn't spent ten minutes on Slashdot?

      In a more general sense: do you work as efficiently during your second and third hour at work as you do during your sixth and seventh?

      We have this weird obsession with working when you're at work (I know that sounds silly, but still) - you simply can't work full blast all the time, and it's weird that management insists that people pretend they do for eight, nine, ten hours a day.

      Honestly, I think that's at least part of the reason why we've seen such an increase in productivity since the advent of computers - they provide a great way to pretend you're working, so you can take a break and work more efficiently when you do actually work. I'm not even trying to be funny with this comment; I seriously do think that the increase in ability to occasionally goof off without repercussions has increased total efficiency.

    9. Re:Of course it can... by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah, the truth gets out JUST as quickly, if not more so.

      "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes" -- Mark Twain

      ... and the reason that is true, even in the Internet Age, is because the speed at which a story travels is proportional to how interesting it is, not how true it is. The truth is sometimes interesting, but often boring; whereas a well-crafted lie will always be interesting, and thus always propagate quickly.

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  2. False dichotomies. by radarsat1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > What do you think?

    I think false dichotomies make good headlines.

  3. Intelligence is tweaked not obtained. by masterwit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Check out dis funny picture of cat.

    Actually I think it reveals our stupidity.

    But the real issue here is that the article doesn't really address "Does the Internet Make Humanity Smarter Or Dumber?". Instead it should be entitled: "Does distraction, largely in part to the internet, make some individuals process information differently?". Sure distractions are always "bad":

    When we're constantly distracted and interrupted, as we tend to be online, our brains are unable to forge the strong and expansive neural connections that give depth and distinctiveness to our thinking. We become mere signal-processing units, quickly shepherding disjointed bits of information into and then out of short-term memory.

    But does a fragmented short term memory have permanent effects? He talks in the article about

    In another experiment, recently conducted at Stanford University's Communication Between Humans and Interactive Media Lab, a team of researchers gave various cognitive tests to 49 people who do a lot of media multitasking and 52 people who multitask much less frequently. The heavy multitaskers performed poorly on all the tests. They were more easily distracted, had less control over their attention, and were much less able to distinguish important information from trivia.

    To me, what led those people to do media multitasking in the first place? Perhaps the media did not engineer some level of "multitaskness" (not a word, I know) but that this multi-tasking ability was inherent to those individuals' respective personalities. This brings be back to my first point that the internet reveals our stupidity AND perhaps just our personality in general.

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    1. Re:Intelligence is tweaked not obtained. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems the past was forgotten by the people of Israel as well. They are on their way to repeating the discrimination and hate that was done to the Jewish population of Europe.

      Today in Israel there is the non-Arab Israeli and then there is the Arab Israeli. One group has more rights in the state than another. In a healthy state, there would be an Israeli citizen, Arab or Jew or Christian, or whatever. All would have the same privileges, eg. ability to get building permits. But in the real Israel, all I see on the news is Arab Israeli homes being demolished because of "illegal housing" (that was built in 1960s, for example, but authorities just found out 50 years later????). New housing permits continually are denied to the Arab Israeli, while non-Arab Israeli are able to secure housing permits. This is especially true of Jerusalem. I am not even talking about occupied land here.

      I see hate and terror of of "Israeli settler" illegally occupying land, *backed* by Israeli Army. I see counter-hate of Arab extremists, but these don't have the army on their side.

      So please, do at least a normal analysis of the situation before you judge. Israel is not 100% victim here. Extremists in Israel are allowed to continue their discrimination, and this causes extremists to be formed in the groups being discriminated against. In plain words, they are creating the shitstorm that surrounds them and then they are crying about it.

  4. Double Edged Sword by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does the Internet Make Humanity Smarter Or Dumber?

    I tire of constantly pushing the idea that the internet is a double edged sword. It liberates you to pursue your desires whether they be learning, information, socializing, games or porn. In this liberating spirit, I claim it is possibly the greatest revolution yet in regards to information.

    Now it's just your choice to use it as you desire. And anyone who says they will only ever use it for something like learning is flat out liar and, frankly, missing the point of the internet. I waste time on the internet and I am productive on the internet. Use the full spectrum of the internet and you'll get the most out of it as what it is: a tool. The choice is yours ... time management for people has been an issue going all the way back through human history. Why must we stop now and act like 100% of our time must be spent on the internet playing Farmville?

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  5. It enhances by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet just enhances what is already there. Stupid people become more stupid and intelligent people become more intelligent.

  6. Neither by Bat+Country · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It changes the way a person thinks.

    Instead of worrying about retention of specific knowledge, I find myself caring more about how to find information again if I should need it. I've been treating the Internet like an extended memory bank. It certainly adds to my humility and (by extension) my critical thinking skills that it takes only a few seconds with Google to demonstrate the inferiority of my personal knowledge and experience on any issue. Questioning your convictions on any topic often leads to a new way of looking at things.

    Dedicating a moment's thought to it, I don't believe the Internet can make a person dumber, but it can contribute to intellectual laziness - being convinced that the answer is out there if you care enough to look for it could conceivably make you less likely to try to figure something out for yourself.

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  7. Re:I think.. by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but if you can look things up, then why bother to think about it? A large part of why some people are smarter than others is that they think about things, the ability to look up things without critical thinking is definitely not going to make a person smarter. It can in fact have the opposite effect in that since there's no filtering going on, a person can start to believe all sorts of stupid things.

  8. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mark Twain once said of newspapers: "If you don't read a newspaper you are uninformed. If you DO read a newspaper, you are misinformed." The internet works the same way.

  9. Re:I think.. by schon · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think more critically now than I ever did before the Internet.

    http://xkcd.com/552/

  10. Uh by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did the printing press make us dumber?

    The Internet and associated technologies like the WWW are an intelligence enhancer on a larger scale than that.

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  11. No, but... by evilgraham · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It certainly draws your attention as to just how many dumb people there are!

  12. Intellectual isolation by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the Internet has done is that almost no matter how obscure your preferences are, it's a group on the Internet for it. According to the latest stats there's 1.8 billion people online. Even if one in a million think like you, there's 1800 of them on the Internet. There's language barriers and some other details too, but still. Of course it's natural that like minded people meet, but on the Internet it's so extreme you run into groupthink - Exhibit A.

    Take for example the coming wave of elderly in the western world. Here on slashdot we have mostly technological/geeky solutions. Doctors for the most part have medical solutions. Economists has some monetary solutions. Each group can think because they all just read their own sites that they've understood what "everybody" thinks and what "consensus" is on how to solve it, in short that they're smart when really their solutions are shallow, unfeasible and incomplete because they haven't been challenged enough. You see it with some computer systems, all the geeks agree it's great but unless you get user testing from somewhere else it very often flops.

    I don't think we've really gotten dumber on the fundamentals even though we search the Internet rather than know by heart, there's much less meaning in memorization and hand calculation but then I never felt that to be a valuable skill in itself - it's a bit like measuring your writings by your fountain pen technique. The real value is what you understand, your ability to draw reasonable conclusions. Knowledge is important because you need to know the facts and the context to draw those conclusions from. It takes different skills because so much on the Internet is bullshit, if ypo put someone who is used to only serious and reliable sources and put online they could end up being dumber. But the younger generation who knows the pitfalls, they can go much further.

    I simply think the answer is that we're getting more specialized, which is neither smarter or dumber - just different.

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  13. Some problems by pudge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The first article doesn't address the notion that these changes in thought patterns could lead to greater intellectual abilities down the road. The author says:

    Only when we pay deep attention to a new piece of information are we able to associate it "meaningfully and systematically with knowledge already well established in memory"

    but maybe that's subject to change over time, as more and more humans don't pay deep attention. Or maybe we will adapt to be able to more easily pay attention deeply to the most important details.

    Additionally, even if that doesn't happen (soon, or ever), maybe humanity as a whole is better served this way. Maybe we don't need everyone to be a deep thinker. Maybe we can benefit from a large segment of people who can think quickly, but not as deeply.

    In other words ... Idiocracy is funny, but unlikely. We will adapt and move forward over time, as we always -- given sufficient time -- have.

  14. Comparisons by Aggrav8d · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let us consider two cases:

    • what life was like before TV/the internet
    • what life is like since TV/the internet

    What have we gained as a direct result of these technologies? What have we lost?

    Is it worth it?

    I remember being told to play outside all day - back when we could do that without sunscreen and without getting burned. It used to be that I had to make a plan and stick with it if I was going to meet a friend - I couldn't call them when I got to the place and THEN figure out where they were waiting. I didn't used to be a slave to the byzantine contract or incessant needs of my portable phone (that probably isn't giving me cancer). I imagine libraries were a lot more popular, living rooms were centered around conversations or musical instruments, and if you couldn't sleep you could listen to live performances on the radio. To name just a few examples.

    What have we gained? Well, the space on my desk that used to be for a rolodex/business cards is now taken up with Arduinos & servos. My girlfriend sits up in bed and watches Glee on her iPad instead of finishing her cross stitch. Pinging the hivemind to solve a technical query is pretty damn awesome. uh... everything else I can think of is probably a negative.

    So while I haven't definitively made up my mind, I feel like the evidence I am aware of leans towards "worse off".

  15. We just seem more stupid by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet provides more opportunities for being stupid in public.

  16. No. It's not the Internet. These are the causes: by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    • 99.999% of television is utter, irredeemable crap
    • Almost all televised news is so light in content, it would float in a hydrogen atmosphere
    • Schools routinely "graduate" kids who can't read, write, spell, or do math
    • Kids consider "tweeting" and "text messaging" as adequate communication
    • The US promotes a superstitious culture -- and consequently the majority of the population can't apply critical thinking worth a darn.

    The Internet, in sharp contrast, is rich with content of very high value, easily accessed by anyone with even moderate 'net skills and literacy. The problem is if you come in with the average set of skills our culture and our pre-college school system provide you with, you aren't equipped to take advantage of that unless you did a lot of self-starting as well.

    Anecdote: Recently, I interviewed young folks for an internship; what I wanted was an ability to read and write at a decent level, use a spelling checker, and basic (+-*/) math skills. I went though over ninety applicants before I found one. Over ninety!

    But they all had lots of experience in in high school sports. And someone -- most assuredly not me -- had told them this would count for something. Maybe if the job is ditch digging, it would, but not in an office environment.

    Slashdot is a collection of people so atypical - so skilled as compared to the average US citizen - that I can't even imagine comparing how they process tv and schooling as compared to the average citizen. When we ask here how television affects someone, we're asking a group that's already been selected for way above average skill sets. For instance, if I watch Fox News, I spend the entire time either laughing or shaking my head in disgust. But it's the most popular news broadcast in the country.

    To paraphrase Phil Plait, it seems as though we're doomed.

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  17. Humans are excellent at learning by FoolishOwl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cynical jokes aside, what's most distinct about humans, as compared to other living things, is the human capacity to learn. The mass of the brain is there less for calculating than for acquiring and linking more information.

    We've had an enormous breakthrough in rapidly disseminating information and enabling self-education. That some people make blunders and that some mistaken ideas are more widely circulated does not contradict this. Asking whether the Internet makes us smarter is like asking whether providing light, water, and enriched soil makes plants grow better.

    Years ago, there was an incredibly awful country song, "Where Were You When The World Stopped Turning," by Alan Jackson, with the lyric, "I'm just a simple man/I don't know the difference between Iraq and Iran." At the time, whenever I heard the song, I'd think, "So put the microphone down, go the library, and find an encyclopedia, dumbass." These days, whenever I hear anyone ask a question for basic information -- where is Turkmenistan? who is K. D. Laing? -- the answer is frequently, "I'm not sure -- check Wikipedia," or, "Google it."

    Simple ignorance is more easily overcome than in the past. Willful ignorance is harder to defend.

  18. Internet by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Funny

    It makes Humanity smarter but Internet users dumerer.

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