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Rubber Boots Charge Your Phone

andylim writes "UK wireless provider Orange and renewable energy experts GotWind have come up with a prototype pair of power-generating rubber boots. Inside the power-generating soles of the boots are thermoelectric modules constructed of pairs of p-type and n-type semiconductor materials forming thermocouples, which are connected electrically to form an array of multiple thermocouples (thermopile). They are then sandwiched between two thin ceramic wafers. When the heat from the foot is applied on the top side of the ceramic wafer and cold is applied on the opposite side, from the cold of the ground, electricity is generated."

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  1. Waders are back in style by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now you can look goofy AND charge your phone all at once!

    1. Re:Waders are back in style by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Corrections:

      Wellies are back in style for men. Supermodels and grannies have never left the fold.

      And of course, you can now look goofy, have cold feet, and get electrocuted all at once.

      Nice. The British, ever helful. Spot on, I say!

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  2. Slow news day? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Periodically someone will come out with one of these "Clothing that generates electricity" (usually based on kinetic energy, in this case on body heat) inventions and the press will briefly cover it as a novelty item, then forget it. The clothing product in question will always be expensive, uncomfortable, prone to break and malfunction, and unable to generate enough electricity to be of any practical use. People either don't buy it at all or stop buying it the second the newspaper story fades from view. They stop buying it for the same reason that I ditched my "generator powered" light on my bicycle when I was a kid (you remember, the one that attached to the tire and used its kinetic energy to power the bike's headlight)--because it doesn't work worth a damn.

    I just hope those much-touted wind turbines that are all the rage now work a lot better than my old bike light at converting kinetic energy to electrical.

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    1. Re:Slow news day? by datapharmer · · Score: 3, Informative

      If the light didn't work well for you it was adjusted poorly or you weren't riding fast enough. The only problems with them were:
      a) You had to ride relatively quickly to generate much light
      b) It added a significant amount of friction to your wheel meaning you had to ride harder and
      c) The light stopped when you stopped.

      That said, a few modifications such as adding a capacitor to even out the light (acting as a voltage regulator), changing the light bulb to LED, and lowering the friction caused by the generator wheel and it would probably work phenomenally well. I was happy even back then though.

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    2. Re:Slow news day? by wwwillem · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I ditched my "generator powered" light on my bicycle

      Those are not a temporary fad that doesn't really work. In Holland (where there are more bicycles than people) those dynamo's are the standard way (at least were before LED lights) of powering bicycle lights.

      It was the next progression after the carbid lantern, so I guess that started around WWII, maybe even earlier. At least I'm from 1957 and I can't remember anything else.

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    3. Re:Slow news day? by biryokumaru · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because regenerative braking would be several orders of magnitude more complex and expensive to implement than a simple permanent magnet generator.

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    4. Re:Slow news day? by thermopile · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you didn't like the dynamo for your bike, you're definitely not going to like the in-boot charger. Thermopiles have notoriously hideous efficiencies, like 2-5%.

      Note also that it relies on a heat difference between your foot and whatever is outside. So on a hot day, you're going to have a hard time generating much of a delta-T, and your efficiency will drop even further.

      Despite the fact that my nickname is one of these devices, I'm not very hopeful. A piezo-electric based device that uses the mechanical motion of your heel striking the ground is a much better solution, IMHO.

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    5. Re:Slow news day? by SharpFang · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...yes, and essentially only inexpensive white LED put an end to them.

      The battery-powered lamps were a gimmick, too expensive in use (expensive batteries, note rechargeables were scarce, expensive and poor capacity back then too!) and too short-living (bulb energy draw) for any longer routes. The dynamo was the standard, sure it put extra friction but finely tuned the friction was well within acceptable standards and the light strength was unparallelled.

      A dynamo gives about 5W at 5V on standard use. That is 1 Ampere, which means state-of-the-art(then) 1000mAh rechargeables, or a set of standard 3 bulky A-size 1.5V batteries could run the lamp at the same strength for about a hour. Which was pathetic.

      Even today dynamo still has its place - as a backup. If batteries die in your LED lamp, you can switch to dynamo. If you ride downhill, you can ride faster because the faster you ride the stronger the light is (and it's much stronger than your average bicycle LED lamp), and it gives an extra braking power. And normally you switch it off.

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    6. Re:Slow news day? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They stop buying it for the same reason that I ditched my "generator powered" light on my bicycle when I was a kid (you remember, the one that attached to the tire and used its kinetic energy to power the bike's headlight)--because it doesn't work worth a damn.

      You mean a dynamo? What do you mean “it doesn’t work”? It works great. In rain, snow, everything. And with it, I don’t look like an idiot who’t replacing batteries or having to recharge the thing all the time, while still only having three weak flickering LEDs.
      What? But it goes off when you stop, you say? Not anymore. That’s solved with capacitors since at least a decade ago.
      And no, they don’t slow you down like in the olden days anymore.
      Also, they don’t slip, even when everything’s full of snow. For the worst situations there are even hub dynamos.

      That setup is also definitely cheaper in the long run. Let alone all the saved “making it recharge”s.

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    7. Re:Slow news day? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Batteries are...

      ...not made with big lumps of iron, and thus lighter than a dynamo when you're talking about powering an LED bike light. The dynamo has a certain minimum size if you want it to be durable. But a bike light can easily be powered by a couple of AAA batteries these days, or some even smaller solution. For example I have a 5 LED hand-crank flashlight that has a battery pack that looks like three cells half the size of a AAA each. It runs for many hours on a full charge. To be fair it has a very small and light dynamo in it, but it doesn't have to be powered by a bike wheel either, which is why it can be so flimsy.

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    8. Re:Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Today's tech would make bike dynamos work so well that I have no idea why they don't make them any more. Perhaps battery tech is so good that there's little advantage?

      Around here (Sweden) they're generally replaced by a generator integrated into the front hub resulting in far better efficiency (thus much less drag) than relying to force a small diameter wheel to spin by gripping against the possibly wet/muddy/snowy tire.

      With a small integrated battery/super-cap you also get light while stationary (at least for a while).

      Not that totally battery-powered lights are uncommon, but IME rechargeables tend to die rather abruptly and Murphy will assure it happens just when you need light the most... There's also the thing that you need to take the battery lights with you whenever you park the bike due to individuals with no respect for other peoples property [please, someone give me an anti-theft system like in Neuromancer]

    9. Re:Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dynamos still exist; in fact, new models are being produced all the time:
      http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/shimano3n70.asp
      http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp

      They tend to have pretty good efficiency (~60%), generally use a clutching system so there is no drag when the lights are turned off, and have capacitors that will run the lights for at least five minutes. The problem is the expense - a good hub-mounted generator system runs around $100 and requires a rebuild of the wheel to install (around $50 in labor). Whereas you can get a simple battery-operated LED unit for around $10.

    10. Re:Slow news day? by overlordofmu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, yes. The carbide lantern. Which carbide? Answer: calcium carbide

      And how does it work? Well, you put it into water which is inside of a copper lamp and one of the the resultant compounds is a gas named acetylene which you light on fire as it squirts from an opening in your lamp. The burning acetylene is the light for you to coal mine by.

      I have my grandfather's carbide lantern. Can you imagine being a coal miner? Can you imagine being a coal miner with an open flame on your head your whole work day?

    11. Re:Slow news day? by Locutus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I still have one of those on one of our old bikes and it gets used a few times a year without problems and it works well. So before you publish that something doesn't work, you might want to check if you have one of the many models which just aren't made well.

      A current example of this are the crank up flashlights. We recently lost a nice one we've had for a few years and started looking for a new one. Let me tell you, that are _not_ all the same. I now see so many which just have a little DC motor inside while the one we had was nicely geared and used rare earth magnets and a weighted flywheel. The same goes for most everything out there so don't blast something unless you did the research and got the best on the market or know what you got is well designed and well made.

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    12. Re:Slow news day? by Insightfill · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you built it into the bicycle's hub, it might not cause nearly as much resistance.

      My wife has one of those. Specialized brand made the "Vienna Deluxe" line last year. You can feel the drag when you hit the switch, but it's very subtle.

  3. For further reading... by dtmos · · Score: 5, Informative

    The term for this type of electricity generation is the Seebeck effect. Typically a very small voltage is generated per pn junction, so many hundreds of junctions are placed in series to generate a significant voltage.

    1. Re:For further reading... by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative

      Would it be possible to put them on a condom?

      Guy in bar to babe: "Hey. My phone died. Would you like to go and charge it?"

      The effect uses a temperature difference to generate power, so unless you are doing a dead fish, it wouldn't help much.

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    2. Re:For further reading... by somersault · · Score: 5, Funny

      And then the frigidity of her response helps to create the thermal difference required for charging your phone? Good idea!

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  4. Unfortunately by NtwoO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'll cool your feet in the winter when it works at its best and in the summer the difference between warm sidewalks and the inside of the boot will not generate any electricity. This means that when you don't mind to wear it, it does not work. When it works, it causes so much discomfort that you choose not to... Mmm.

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  5. Oh good, just what I need by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Boots that don't keep my feet warm because they depend on heat flowing across a thermocouple as quickly as possible to produce electricity? That sounds great! I'll take two.

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    1. Re:Oh good, just what I need by solevita · · Score: 2, Informative

      Boots that don't keep my feet warm because they depend on heat flowing across a thermocouple as quickly as possible to produce electricity? That sounds great! I'll take two.

      There are many inventions like this that suggest you can pull energy from nowhere. Of course you can't, it has to come from somewhere. In this case, it's your body heat powering the phone. You'll have cold feet and you'll have to put more energy into yourself everyday to power the phone in the form of calories. No such thing as free energy, just different ways to transfer it about.

    2. Re:Oh good, just what I need by fotbr · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ooh, weight loss boots! Get some washed-up overweight celebrity to market them, and this idea can't fail!

  6. So pathetic by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Informative

    So pathetic. This is not a way to generate electricity, but to destroy it.

    You see those "p-n" junctions did not appear out of thin air-- they're the result of using scads of electricity to heat silicon to the melting point, extract it into perfect crystals, then slice it, anneal it again in an electric furnace, then more hours at 1200C to diffuse in minute amounts of p and n dopants, then more electricity to slice, dice, solder, and cement these into usable devices.

    And in the end you have some very expensive, in both dollars and energy used, heat to microamps of electricity converters. And you can easily compute exactly how much electricity you get back given say a 10 degree temperature difference between the warm and slightly less warm sides. It's miniscule. Microwatts per square centimeter. Even if you wore these for 10,000 hours, you're nowhere near making back the amount of electricity, not to mention the $$$, it cost to make these things.

  7. Electronic Stilsuit... by tosh1979 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Add these with your nylon socks and underwear and wearable solarpower packs and you'll never need to juice up again. Screw wierding modules, just point your hip mounted crotch sock and fry the enemy with your static charge. Maaaau'dii*ZAAAAP*$%%"£..