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Methane-Eating Bacteria May Presage ET Life

asukasoryu sends along an intriguing piece in light of our recent discussion of possible signs of life on Saturn's moon Titan. "Researchers have discovered that methane-eating bacteria survive in a unique spring located on Axel Heiberg Island in Canada's extreme north. The subzero water is so salty that it doesn't freeze despite the cold, and it has no consumable oxygen in it. There are, however, big bubbles of methane that come to the surface. Lyle Whyte, McGill University microbiologist, explains that the so-called Lost Hammer spring supports microbial life, that the spring is similar to possible past or present springs on Mars, and that therefore they too could support life."

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  1. As a wise fictional character said... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or, in fact, symbiotic organisms on Titan, along with ones which might well be methanogenic in nature if they exist, and at even lower temperatures. Life finds a way, ladies and gents.

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    1. Re:As a wise fictional character said... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, that's the Big Question, isn't it? While it is becoming clear that life can move from an enormously productive biosphere into ecological niches previously thought to be completely inhospitable to life, can it arise in such 'hostile' environments? TFA didn't really go into detail as to the biochemical characterization of the methanogenic critters. Likely that will happen sometime down the line and will be really interesting.

      But we're going to have to get our respective asses to Mars if we really want to answer the question.

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    2. Re:As a wise fictional character said... by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Life finds a way, ladies and gents.

      We don't know that. We know that once life gets going it seems to be very resilient and manages to find a lot of different environments to colonize. But we don't know how easy it is for life to start. If life starting is really difficult, then it may be that Titan and Mars are completely barren. What this sort of thing does mean is that if there ever was life on Mars, there's a decent chance that there's still some.

    3. Re:As a wise fictional character said... by History's+Coming+To · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know it's off-form to re-reply, but sod it, your comment and the one above are too good not to discuss. Yup, you've both hit the nail on the head. I referenced a fictional character (and was also thinking of Stephen Baxter's excellent "Titan") because at the moment SF is at the forefront in many ways. Yes, there may be life out there, but we have exactly as much evidence for it as we do for god (take your pick), exactly none. If there is, then it might be like this, and it's certainly evidence that life, once established, can exist in extreme conditions compared to Earth's "habitable" zones, but until we find life that's without a doubt non-terrestrial then we're a one-off fluke as far as certainties go.

      Please mod into oblivion, or re-reply yourselves and be damned with the consequences ;)

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    4. Re:As a wise fictional character said... by biryokumaru · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From the title, I assumed you were quoting a book. So I googled it. Congratulations, you are your own top google hit.

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    5. Re:As a wise fictional character said... by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think your comparison to the existence of God is a good one. We know life got going at least once.

    6. Re:As a wise fictional character said... by shadowbearer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      but until we find life that's without a doubt non-terrestrial

        It might be difficult to prove that any organisms found elsewhere in the solar system aren't at least distantly related to those on Earth. The solar system being as old as it is, it's entirely possible that over the last three and half billion years or so micro-organisms have traveled between the planets. Deep analysis of their DNA won't necessarily be conclusive, if the organisms were transported between the planetary bodies say three billion years ago it's likely they've evolved and changed significantly since then to fit their environments.

          It's also possible that life here on Earth had more than one start - there has been some fascinating research on that subject lately and it's a good point to ponder, our earliest apparent evidence of life here on Earth was back when the planet was still subjected to potential bombardment by very large asteroids, and geological upheavals that could have terminated many early starts. For that matter it's possible that life started elsewhere in the solar system and only gained a foothold here on Earth because the environmental conditions were more suited.

        We may never know for certain, unless someone invents a time machine and spends a few thousand years taking samples over large timescales...

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    7. Re:As a wise fictional character said... by swillden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since at the moment our supplies of food are depleted and the women in the cave are complaining about the children crying all the time because they're hungry, it might not be a bad idea for the cavemen to invest their time hunting for food and postpone the building of the next raft till after the next migration season, when the cave is full of food again.

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  2. Methane eating bacteria? by highways · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can we transplant some of these methane-eating into the Gulf of Mexico? They're badly needed right now.

    1. Re:Methane eating bacteria? by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Informative

      > Can we transplant some of these methane-eating into the Gulf of Mexico?

      They're already on the job. Just give them a few decades.

      (To be pedantic, different species, better adapted to the environment.)

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    2. Re:Methane eating bacteria? by cvnautilus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In addition to eating crude, they are also aerobic, and leave behind massive dead zones of oxygen-less water.

  3. The problem with using extremophiles as models by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Organisms on Earth which live in extreme environments probably evolved from related species which live in less extreme environments. I have no doubt that there are Terrestrial organisms which could survive in certain environments on Mars, but if they have counterparts on Mars, where did they come from? If they evolved on Mars, there has to have been an environment in which such evolution could have taken place over some kind of condition gradient, from less hostile to more hostile. If they came from Earth, you need a hell of a story about how they got there -- not only are meteor strike ejecta a lot less likely to make it from Earth to Mars than the reverse, you have to envision one piece of rock that just happened to be carrying a viable population of (already rare, even here on Earth) extremophiles that were suited for certain (also very rare) Martian conditions, and landed in just the right place.

    If we can ever confirm that Mars had a more life-friendly environment for a significant portion of its history, of course, then these objections can be disregarded. But until we have much more evidence of that than we currently do, I'd be very surprised to find native life on Mars. It's much more likely that if anything is living there, it was carried there by probes from Earth -- and even that seems like a one in a million shot.

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    1. Re:The problem with using extremophiles as models by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      About 300kg of rocks make their way from Earth to Mars every year. The reverse is more, about 500kg. The total of "hospitable" rocks that might harbor stowaway life for an Earth to Mars transit is about 150kg/year. So, you see, we're constantly seeding life on Mars.

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    2. Re:The problem with using extremophiles as models by ulzeraj · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, you really think that when the first signs of life developed here on earth, this planet was confy and cozy?

    3. Re:The problem with using extremophiles as models by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting link, thanks! And I really hadn't realized that much stuff made it from here to there.

      The question is, out of all that, how likely is it that an extremophile suitable for Martian conditions would be one of the passengers, and would land in a hospitable environment on Mars? The link doesn't address that directly, just noting that the Terrestrial organisms would have a good shot if they landed on Mars in a warmer, wetter age -- the problem there being that we don't know if there ever was such a time in Mars' history, or if so, if it lasted long enough to be significant on evolutionary timescales.

      Again: extremophiles and the conditions in which they live, are almost by definition rare here on Earth. And conditions suitable for any Terrestrial life are obviously even rarer on Mars, and quite possibly always have been. I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it seems like awfully long odds.

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    4. Re:The problem with using extremophiles as models by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Glad you asked, cause I love educating random people on Slashdot who can't even be bothered clicking on the links I supply to them, or do their own research.

      There's a whole class of bacteria that live inside rocks, they're called lithoautotrophic extremophiles. They suffer through extreme heat and pressures all the time. They have existed for billions of years. When a meteorite impacts the Earth a certain number of these fertile rocks are sent skyward.. the bacteria are protected from the radiation of space by the mass of the rock. Some portion of these rocks are captured by Mars and some even smaller portion are carried to the surface as meteorites. It's a big numbers game.

      The speculation is that maybe these extremophiles are now making a living on the Mars service.. bacteria moving from one rock to another isn't that big a stretch of the imagination. Some of them may even make the return trip.

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    5. Re:The problem with using extremophiles as models by blhack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even on a cosmic timescale, that isn't very often. The earth is about 4.5 billion years old, no? Life on earth is, what, 3.5 billion years old (at least these are the earliest fossils we can find)?

      So if this happens once every 5 million years, that is still only 1000 times that we have traded rocks with Mars.

      That's a lot, but if you're talking about the chances of those rocks containing some absurdly rare strain of bacteria that can exist in an environment very much unlike that of the majority of this planet, it starts looking pretty damn unlikely.

      Cosmic time scales or not, one every 5 million years is certainly not "constantly".

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  4. Ask slashdot by aBaldrich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The story intrigued me, so I browsed wikipedia searching for the history of the atmosphere and atmospheric methane. I find it very difficult to believe the idea of a chunk of Titan travelling all those years, carrying life and enough reserves of methane for the trip. And since methane used to be much more abundant in the atmosphere, isn't it possible that very old, earthy life forms lived off methane?

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  5. Re:No viable Mars-Earth rock exchange happening no by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There's been an incredible number of papers on the subject, and the overall conclusion is that lithoautotrophic extremophiles most likely do survive the trip. Your objection to the timescales involved is anthropomorphic thinking. On geological timescales the exchange of meteorites between Earth and Mars is constant, and so yes, we are constantly seeding life to Mars.
       

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  6. Human traits by BigBadBus · · Score: 2, Funny

    As if being fixated with our own farts isn't bad enough, now we intently study microbe's trumps...and use them to spot life on other planets! *sigh*

  7. Re:No viable Mars-Earth rock exchange happening no by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well that's the controversial part.. almost every instrument that has been sent to Mars to search for life, actually made it to the surface safely, and managed to turn on, has returned positive results of life on Mars. Every time this has happened there has been denials.. as there's always a malfunction or non-biological explanation that can be used to explain the data. Similarly, every instrument that has returned a negative result for life on Mars (and there's less than have returned positive results) have been shown to be unable to detect life in the extreme locations of Earth, whereas a microbiologist with a $5000 microscope and some plastic slides can find life in these same areas without any trouble. Which is why the question of life on Mars remains open.. and probably will remain open until a sample return mission gives a positive result, and maybe even then not until the first extraterrestrial genome has been sequenced.

    As for multi-cellular organisms, for all we know there's plants, moss, or fungi in caves on Mars.. but we'd never know because we've never explored any of them.
     

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  8. Amazing news! by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slashdot has just discovered the anaerobe

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