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iPhone 4's "Retina Display" Claims Challenged

adeelarshad82 writes "Of the many things that buyers might need to know about the new iPhone, Raymond Soneira — president of DisplayMate Technolgies — added one more to the list. Soneira challenged Apple's claims that Apple's new iPhone contains a so-called 'retina display.' According to Soneira, the resolution of the retina is in angular measure, 50 cycles per degree, where a cycle is a line pair, which is two pixels, so the angular resolution of the eye is 0.6 arc minutes per pixel. So, if you hold an iPhone at the typical 12 inches from your eyes, that works out to 477 pixels per inch. At 8 inches it's 716 ppi. You have to hold iPhone 4 out about 18 inches before it falls to 318 ppi. So the iPhone has significantly lower resolution than the retina."

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  1. Nailed 'em by snowwrestler · · Score: 4, Funny

    This sober, fact-based scientific argument will surely force Apple to adjust their bombastic, exaggerated marketing tactics.

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    1. Re:Nailed 'em by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nailed 'em in the retina? Ow!

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  2. Re:Real Ratina Display by xTantrum · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who cares about a ritnawhatchumacallit. If i get an Iphone I'll get laid! :D

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  3. Re:I agree, *however* by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Funny

    Notice how the mouse sensitivity is set at 80-year-old-grandmother level on Mac's?

    You know, there is a preference panel for that...

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  4. reading distance of 12 inches by Swampash · · Score: 3, Funny

    Jesus, is this guy an Oompa-Loompa or something? I can't wait for the public relations backlash from the Union of Amputees and Thalidomide Children, complaining that Apple's marketing is biased towards people who can hold the Iphone 18 inches from their faces.

  5. Re:Real Ratina Display by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who cares about a ritnawhatchumacallit. If i get an Iphone I'll get laid! :D

    I'm not sure how discriminating your taste is, or what your preference is, and I assume you're male...

    You are aware of what kind of person would be laying you because of your iPhone, right?

    I mean, they probably wouldn't be nerdy *AT ALL*. What good is that?

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  6. Those lying bastards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, the iPad is not actually magical.

  7. In other news... by Senjutsu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Android OS is not actually an operating system by or for Androids.

    Windows 7 wasn't really the idea of some random people in cafes and showers.

    Saturns - not actually made on Saturn. Surprising, I know.

    The Emotion Engine has never shed a single tear.

    Magic Markers have no magical properties.

    1. Re:In other news... by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Funny
      Magic Markers have no magical properties.
      1. You have never given one to a three year old and watched the expression on the face of his mother. Magical.
      2. One word: inhale.
  8. Re:This looks like a typical straw man argument. by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've seen pictures of it, and it looks like crap. I have a nice 21" Viewsonic CRT monitor, running 1024x768

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  9. Re:bad vision by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's recommended that you look at your display or phone from around an arms length away or risk damaging your vision in the long term.

    Well, *I* recommend that you place the display right up against your eyeball and then carefully pull your bottom eyelid under the lip of the display to keep it in place.

    So, technically, you can say it's recommended that you do so.

    Seriously, do you have any citation for that recommendation? My understanding was that as long as you take frequent breaks to change your focal length to long distances, the risk of long-term vision* damage was low.

    *I do recall reading something about problems with circadian rhythms due to electronic displays, however. But not permanent, IIRC... circadian rhythms can be reset in a few weeks.

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  10. Reality Distortion by vivin · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, if you hold an iPhone at the typical 12 inches from your eyes that works out to 477 pixels per inch and at 8 inches it's 716 ppi. You have to hold iPhone 4 out about 18 inches before it falls to 318 ppi. So the iPhone has significantly lower resolution than the retina

    No, no, no! Mr. Soneira has it all wrong! The math works out if you are inside a reality-distortion field, since all physical laws either change or do not apply inside said field!

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  11. This just in! by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Nexus One is NOT in fact a real android!

    You are NOT related to the Microsoft KIN!

    The Blackberry is NOT edible! Neither is the LG Chocolate.

    And you can NOT shave with a Moto Razr. Trust me, I have tried.

  12. Re:Real Ratina Display by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 4, Funny

    Umm.. who holds their iPhone 10 inches from their face? Maybe blind people.. but I usually have mine out at armish length.. 18-24 inches.

  13. Re:12 inches? by need4mospd · · Score: 5, Funny

    My boss just walked by my desk and saw me holding a 12" drafting scale and cell phone to my forehead. Thank you slashdot.

  14. Re:Real Ratina Display by blai · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are aware of what kind of person would be laying you because of your iPhone, right?

    Hopefully female :)

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  15. A Gizmodo editor? by tlambert · · Score: 2, Funny

    A Gizmodo editor? ...just saying...

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  16. Re:Real Ratina Display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's only a big deal if you think Apple should be honest in it's marketing

    - And *BOOM*
    - The most expensive piece of shit we've ever created!
    - And we'll start pick your pockets starting today at the Apple store.

  17. taking things too seriously? by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Next you'll be proving that, if you examine the facts carefeully, Pepsi isn't really the choice of a new generation.

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  18. Re:Real Ratina Display by forceman130 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I just assumed that it meant the screen was made from the retinas of baby seals and bunny rabbits. Or maybe ex-Foxconn factory workers.

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  19. Re:Real Ratina Display by buback · · Score: 2, Funny

    For what it's worth, the highest resolution photographs are typically printed ~300ppi. This is the standard used by glossy magazines (Playboy is the canonical reference mag here).

    Yeah, i can't WAIT to see Playboy on the new iPhone.

    ...oh, wait. I just remembered something.

  20. Re:Eyestrain by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Funny

    18 inches? Wow. How can you see at that distance? I don't own an iPhone, but when I borrow my friend's I typically hold it at 6-8 inches, so I can read the website text. And yes I can see the "jaggy" edges.

    C A N Y O U R E A D T H I S T E X T ?

    Seriously, I think the problem is your eyes. 6 inches is not normal reading distance, unless you're Mister Magoo.

  21. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    will this app be allowed at the Store?

  22. Re:Real Ratina Display by Lars+T. · · Score: 2, Funny

    There really aren't first to the really high rez phone business though - my nexus one's amoled screen is about as high rez as the new iPhone's display.

    Suuuure. And since, as you claim, 252 ppi is about as high as 326 ppi, 252 ppi is also about as high as 163 ppi - IOW the iPhone4 has about the same resolution as the old iPhone.

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