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Gulf Oil Spill Disaster — Spawn of the Living Dead
grrlscientist writes "A recently published study, intended to provide data to commercial fisheries in the Gulf of Mexico so they maximize their catch of Yellowfin Tuna, Thunnus albacares, whilst avoiding bycatch of critically endangered Atlantic (Northern) Bluefin Tuna, Thunnus thynnus, suggests that the Deepwater Horizon oil leak may devastate the endangered Atlantic bluefin population, causing it to completely collapse or possibly go extinct."
I mean, Alaskan Salmon!
Not trolling here, but since when is its mankind's responsibility to save every variety of every species of animal on the planet? I know that we have been responsible for the extinction of many species, but does that now make us responsible for stopping extinction altogether? Huge swaths of species went extinct long before man even came along, and so it seems pretty clear that it's part of the natural order. So are we now supposed to completely stop that natural process out of some sense of guilt (because we have arrogantly decided that we're not part of the natural order)?
I'm not saying we should just go out an hunt every species we feel like to extinction, or poison the water whenever we feel like it. That would be neither responsible nor wise. But I am saying that it's not our responsibility to save every species in the world that happens to exist now, not our place to end "extinction" itself as a process.
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Bluefin just catchin the blow-by. No immediate consequences for destroying species.. maybe we'll learn to enforce preservation of life soon, or maybe we'll just capitalize ourselves out of the water too.
I'm sorry, I just can't see a can of tuna eating my brains. I guess tuna in the can sorta looks like brains.
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While it is a serious issue, I'll give Slashdot readers enough credit to actually read this story based on its importance, rather than an exaggerated, attention-grabbing title.
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So which BP exec is going to pay for this?
It is was already bad enough that I only eat them once a year or less since the damn Japanese eat them all, but now you bastards are going to extinct the best fish. BP execs should be ground up and used as tuna feed on pacific blue fin farms.
Fuck you BP.
When a single bluefin tuna can bring $75,000 at market, it's not Deepwater Horizon, no matter how horrific, that's causing bluefin tuna to go extinct.
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Because on /. nobody can tell that you're Deep Sea Frilled Shark , and when they finally found out, I was gone.
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The living dead are cool in the movies, not in real life. Lets hope they get this cleaned up quickly
Does this perfect storm of catastrophe seem odd to anyone else? Could it really be that there is no omnipresent spiritual component to the collapse of ecosystems, the annihilation of the Gulf, the depleted uranium littering Iraq, the total moral depravity of the States that comprise the world? The story of SEC workers looking at kiddie porn cannot be disentangled from the BP regulators going to hookers and blow parties with the industry giants.
I cannot understand this, do you think you're making out like bandits? Do you think that your lifestyle, built as it is upon death and underhanded dealings, will continue without consequences? The evidence that human beings are afflicted by an illness that is spiritual in nature is right in front of you. It's not an illness of the body, or even precisely the mind - you are sick in your awareness. Your awareness is stunted and retarded. You are not aware of the condition that you are in and you are suffering the consequences for it.
2012 is a metaphor but the phenomenon is real. Laser eye surgery can correct defects in the organ of the eye, but what technology will correct a defect in your awareness? Karma is real - it is the relationship of causes and effects that ensures that war brings war, death brings death, immorality brings immorality, and ignorance brings ignorance. Correct the defect in your awareness and perceive the correct relation between the Gulf spill and the actions and ignorance which brought it into being.
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before any of you free market lunatics blurt out anything, BP vouched for the viability of the oil well operation by a PRIVATE report they prepared, and government has approved. perfectly 'private sector' style, 'free market'ish.
just like how PRIVATE companies which were doing business with wall street, vouched for and 'regulated' wall street.
this makes two, just in the span of 1.5 years. if there are still morons who can say 'free market regulates itself', it means they need to be 'regulated' with a thick stick.
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Here in Tokyo the idea of cooking tuna (except maybe to sear it a bit, 'aburi' style) would be severely frowned upon... ;-)
Actually, biological diversity isn't just important, it's critical. Not just for "the earth", but for human beings.
Does anyone try, for example, to archive tissue samples (and/or genomic sequence info?) of interesting species like the bluefin so we might have a chance of "resurrecting" them (at least approximately) after we advance enough in our knowledge of biology?
For such an economically valuable species as the bluefin, I would be surprised if someone wasn't doing this. Anyone have any info?
(btw, if you link to Permian-Triassic, you might also to this one)
Continuing survival, in decent form, of as many species as possible would be a damn good sign - it would basically mean the environment on which they depend is in moderately good shape; and stable.
Now...we also depend on quality and stability of surroundings. We might be one of the last among the megafauna to get hit, with our high adaptability, but we can get hit eventually, too.
But instead we're in the middle of...a mass extinction, one of most rapid ones in the history of this planet (apparently around 100 times above background level), with quite possibly half of existing species gone by the end of the century...
I don't care much about those species per se, even if they are cute. Causes of their extinction OTOH warrant a closer look and some concern...
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I'm also pretty sure ravaging the indigenous species of the Gulf of Mexico isn't really karma teaching anyone a lesson; except those species. Unless you mean all those fish were horrible people in past lives and this is karma sorting them out. That would be a good example of karma.
With fresh butter. Oh, wait, that's not butter...
But I like them!
Guess I'll have to develop a taste for oil company executives.
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Corn and grain are one of the few food crops that would _not_ be affected by the loss of honeybees. Wind-pollinated plants like wheat and corn don't need bees to reproduce. But tomatoes, apples, etc. certainly do need insects for pollination.
so they wipe out 98% of the species by overfishing it, then get to blame BP for the extinction after the perilous last 2% die off. brilliant tactics guys! let's go our for sushi to celebrate!
If bluefin tuna were naturally going extinct, that would be one thing. But we're actually driving them to extinction through overfishing (primarily) and habitat destruction. This is not a matter of trying to save species that nature is killing off. This is an effort to stop actively killing off entire species.
Then there's the fact that bluefin tuna are an extremely valuable commercial item - so making them go extinct is going to have costs beyond pure esthetics.
This article is specifically about bluefin, but if you do more reading, you find out that virtually ALL the large fish in the ocean are being overfished. As an example, the fishing industry on the Grand Banks, once thriving, is now all but gone. The reason? We caught all the fish. And I mean literally, almost every single fish. An area of the ocean that used to be teeming with life, is now an underwater desert. And all the people who used to make a living on the water... the ones that couldn't make the move to another industry are now mostly unemployed. The same thing happened to the Pacific sardine population (think Cannery Row).
There are real economic consequences to our tendency to mine the ocean of fish. And more importantly, no one knows what's going to happen to the ocean ecosystem if we don't stop.
... not bee pollinated. But your point stands. And in the case of the bluefin, there's another factor in play - they're rather delicious. So it's to our advantage to keep them around.
Of course were responsible. In the human being social evolution has replaced natural evolution. Things that were instinctive are now done following a thought process. And were interfering with the natural evolution that rules the rest of the animal and vegetal kingdom. Our best thinkers, lets say the representatives of this new process, say we need to intentionally balance nature. So, in doing so, were fulfilling natures new role for us.
so you returned to the anonymous posting again.
no. i didnt know aral sea was dried up due to mismanagement. that is why i posted that link to you like a MORON would, so that you could blabber even more. and mao's reengineering projects this and that.
does that seem logical to you ? it probably may, since your mind is not quite of capacity of valid, relational reasoning. therefore, i will tell you - IT IS NOT LOGICAL.
for every single mishap that is in the list that is done by TOTALITARIAN COMMUNIST countries, there are 4 or more PRIVATE disasters. sit down and count. the oil spill disasters themselves up to date number around 10 or more alone. leave aside union carbide india poisoning, monsanto horror, and many others.
ah by the way, you may have noticed the terms in caps above. i put it in caps, in order to correct a stupid brainwashing that was built into you by faux news network, and people like their shill, glenn beck :
USSR, CHINA, VIETNAM WERE COMMUNISTS. NOT 'SOCIALISTS'.
the thing you term and MISUSE, ignorantly, as socialist, is a VERY broad political spectrum, which also includes MANY european countries, including norway, sweden, denmark, finland for the majority of their political history in the last 60 years, and very often france, italy and spain. practically, half of the world aside from united states of privatizationia had been SOCIALIST for the majority of the last 60 years.
in that respect, you appear beyond stupid, bringing up the mismanagements that were done by ussr and china as socialist.
learn the shit you are going to talk about first, instead of ridiculeing yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
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Is there a longer proof, written in the margins? What was that, proof by ass-duction?
And so help me pink unicorn, if even one of you asswipes says whoosh.....
Throw a ping-pong ball in the ocean and tell me what happens.
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