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Judge Rejects SCO's Motion For a New Trial

An anonymous reader writes "A judge has rejected SCO's motion for a new trial in the company's dispute over UNIX intellectual property ownership. The ruling validates a verdict that was issued in April by a jury who determined that Novell, and not SCO, is the rightful owner of the UNIX SVRX copyrights. This means SCO cannot continue to pursue its litigation against IBM and other Linux users. 'There was substantial evidence that Novell made an intentional decision to retain ownership of the copyrights,' the judge wrote in his decision. 'The Court finds that the verdict is not clearly, decidedly, or overwhelmingly against the weight of the evidence. Therefore, SCO is not entitled to a new trial.'"

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  1. Groklaw link by symbolset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on guys. Groklaw has been covering this thing since the very beginning. The least you could do is link to the article there. Give a little respect to Pam Jones for following this long slog like a trouper.

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    1. Re:Groklaw link by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't worry. There will almost certainly be another opportunity. This thing just won't die.

    2. Re:Groklaw link by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed. I also think there needs to be a 'SCO' icon ... maybe something similar to Mr. Hankey with very dead eyes and draped in a sash covered in Linux kernel code?

    3. Re:Groklaw link by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But does anyone on Slashdot don't know that Groklaw has been covering it from day one?
      I mean really? When you say SCO you might as well say Groklaw for most people on here.
      Of course it is also hard not to use some colorful language before or after those three letters as well.

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    4. Re:Groklaw link by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Fair play (sic) to Ars: they at least did some real reporting while all PJ did was post 5 sentences and copy+paste the decision. Besides, it looks like Ars report was first.

      The Ars Technica article has no real reporting beyond paraphrasing the judgment. There are no "new facts" that aren't in the actual judgment. So why not instead actually go to the site that has the judgment, as well as informed commentary on the judgment (groklaw)? You know, "view the source" ...

    5. Re:Groklaw link by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative
      I also think there needs to be a 'SCO' icon .

      You could just use the Microsoft Borg icon.

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    6. Re:Groklaw link by yorugua · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or lets quote her:

      Stewart Rules: Novell Wins! CASE CLOSED! Thursday, June 10 2010 @ 04:14 PM EDT

      Here you go, munchkins. Judge Ted Stewart has ruled for Novell and against SCO. Novell's claim for declaratory judgment is granted; SCO's claims for specific performance and breach of the implied covenant of good fair and fair dealings are denied. Also SCO's motion for judgment as a matter of law or for a new trial: denied. Novell is entitled to waive, at its sole discretion, claims against IBM, Sequent and other SVRX licensees.

      CASE CLOSED!

      Maybe I should say cases closed. The door has slammed shut on the SCO litigation machine. The judge writes in the Memorandum Decision and Order about SCOsource, "Finally, while SCO's witnesses testified that the copyrights were 'required' for SCO to run its SCOsource licensing program, this was not something that SCO ever acquired from Novell." He totally got it. He noticed Darl McBride admitted that SCO didn't need the copyrights for anything but SCOsource. It couldn't be any better if I'd written it myself.

      Was the jury misled or confused? Not at all, the judge writes: "The jury could have rejected the testimony of SCO's witnesses for a number of reasons, including their lack of involvement in drafting the APA, the fact that there was little testimony on any actual discussions concerning the transfer of copyrights, or that many of the witnesses had a financial interest in the litigation."

      "The Clerk of the Court is directed to close this case forthwith," Stewart writes in the final judgment. I believe that means SCO v. IBM is essentially over now, unless IBM wishes to pursue its counterclaims.

      And now it is -- finally -- time, once again, for my red dress! And a huge thank you to Michael Jacobs and the team at Morrison & Foerster, who never gave up but, more importantly, showed that you can fight hard and win with ethics and dignity, and to Sterling Brennan of Workman|Nydegger, who was frankly absolutely wonderful at trial. And thank you to you, Groklaw volunteers, because we made a difference in this world.

    7. Re:Groklaw link by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

      One copy of SCO UnixWare is bad enough. You want to create a fork of it as well?!?!?!?!?

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    8. Re:Groklaw link by daniel23 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thanks for citing her! However, the link to the red dress got lost and needs adding.

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    9. Re:Groklaw link by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, so indeed did I. Not just read. I joined, commented, contributed cash, believed the hype, thought I was helping, proofed, supplied corrections blah, blah. Then saw the insidious, and frankly ugly, nature of the moderation system, plus I couldn't quite reconcile the "open source" rhetoric on the site with the "This is my space, agree with me completely or fuck off" Oh yes, and the attack dogs. Jeez, disagree & you'd be jelly in a blender. "You dare impugn the God that is Pamela Jones? I will hunt down your children"

      I didn't know Pam invented Wikipedia.

    10. Re:Groklaw link by gdshaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't worry. There will almost certainly be another opportunity. This thing just won't die.

      I'm not saying that SCO won't try to appeal, but this judgment together with the result of the jury trial leaves them very little to work with. SCO asked that the question of copyright transfer be decided by jury, which it was. They agreed to specific performance being decided by the judge. They were granted so much lassitude before and during the trial that if anyone has the right to complain it is Novell.

      The threshold for overturning a jury verdict is high. Now that Judge Stewart has reached essentially the same conclusion, it will be very difficult to argue that the jury acted unreasonably.

      SCO may not be six feet under yet, but the lid is on the coffin and most of the nails have been hammered in. They may be able to drag out the process for a few more months, perhaps even years, but if we are looking for the point at which any serious hope for SCO was extinguished then I think we just saw it.

    11. Re:Groklaw link by shadowknot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One copy of SCO UnixWare is bad enough

      So true, I'll always remember when I changed the time on a SCO box at an old job and was told by an old hack there not to issue a simple "date MMDDhhmm" command but to use the crappy curses-based admin console to do it. It said I needed to "relink" the kernel (after changing the time for the love of Pete) then crapped out a kernel panic and disconnected me from the already dodgy modem. I think it took the field engineer about a day to reinstall all because it didn't adjust properly for daylight savings then kernel panicked when the time was changed. Ah, those were the day eh Darl? Darl...You there?

  2. Good. by bi$hop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really hope this is the last I ever have to hear about SCO.

    1. Re:Good. by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 5, Funny

      I really hope this is the last I ever have to hear about SCO.

      Well, just remember that you can't spell scourge of the earth without SCO

    2. Re:Good. by Eudial · · Score: 5, Funny

      I really hope this is the last I ever have to hear about SCO.

      Well, just remember that you can't spell scourge of the earth without SCO

      You can't spell breakfast scones either. Or scotland yard.

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    3. Re:Good. by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Better shoot it in the head with a shotgun just to be sure.

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    4. Re:Good. by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or scrotum.

      Just putting it out there. The word.

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    5. Re:Good. by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, SCO helps spell MOSCOW!

      In the rest of the world, SCO spells the answer to "What smells bad and spends forever circling the rim after you flush?"

      SCO - the 7-Year Flush! That's a LOT of crap!

  3. Cue Monty Python plague victim by Frequency+Domain · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I'm not dead yet!"

    1. Re:Cue Monty Python plague victim by No2Gates · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's only a flesh wound...

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    2. Re:Cue Monty Python plague victim by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That and the dead parrot schene combined:

      Community: "It's not pinin,' it's passed on! SCO is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late company! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the perch he would be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-COMPANY!"

      SCO: "I'm not dead yet"

      At least IBM, Novell etc. got the pockets to handle it. A smaller company could have been legally torpedoed by this, even if they eventually won some what, 8 years down the road now?

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    3. Re:Cue Monty Python plague victim by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Someone who knows how the skits actually run, and doesn't just throw the whole of Holy Grail into a blender and pick random quotes?

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  4. Disappointing news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hate it when my favorite show doesn't get renewed for another season.

  5. SCO files new lawsuits against IBM, Oracle, God by theNAM666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    San Jose, CALIFORNIA. In response to a judge's dismissal of it's demands for a new trial today, SCO filed 10,000 new lawsuits against various entities including IBM, Oracle, and G-d. "One of these must stick," said SCO's Chief Extortion Officer. "It's not about principle. It's about being money-grubbing assholes."

  6. Re:SCO files new lawsuits against IBM, Oracle, God by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

    It would have been more believable if you'd mentioned that SCO had hired *IAA's legal team to sue the first 10,000 Linux users in its efforts to stop the piracy of the Unix source code it doesn't rightfully own.

  7. In the year 3012.... by jkinney3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The head of Daryl McBride is seen in court appealing the latest decision against SCO which declared Daryl McBride not eligible for compensation for inclusion into Futurama episodes on the grounds that he is "just wasting space now that other more important heads need shelf space for. Like Tiger Woods 9th wife" said Leyla. Bender, while trying to get McBride to bite his shiny metal ass, broke the head jar and dropped the head of McBride accidentally into a metal stamping machine. The head of Pam Jones laughed her jar fluid into a total froth while Fry looked on confused.

  8. Go Courts! by Above · · Score: 4, Funny

    That got cleared up so quickly and easily, I'm impressed!

  9. And in Other news TSCOG to retake the Caldera name by RobertLTux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    THe Sco Group is now a smoking crater rundown of the different cases

    NOVELL V TSCOG: Goes to Novell (this is the basis for the rest of the Litigation Lotto)
    TSCOG V IBM : the case that started it all
    WAIVED BY ORDER OF NOVELL (IBM does get the counter claims)
    SUSE V TSCOG (arbitration): Rendered Moot (lack of grounds)
    The Sco Group bankruptcy Chapter 11: to be converted to Chapter 7 (a chunk of the money is now owed to NOVELL)

    (the various smaller bit cases are now also Mooted)

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  10. tips on destroying zombie companies by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Remember that cutting off the legal arms does no good.
    2. Remember that zombie companies can continue to be threatening even if they have no leg to stand on.
    3. Exposing and severing the connection between the brain and the rest of the corporate body may help, but the remaining parts can still remain dangerous, and typically twitch for some time.
    4. Corporate zombies are often controlled by evil overlords. Real victory occurs only after the evil overlord is slain.
    5. Remember that anything that was once good and lovable about the company that has been zombified is long gone and completely unrecoverable.
    6. Zombie companies are frequently covered in parasites (lawyers).

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  11. Not over yet by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article seem to suggest that the SCO v IBM is over. That's not quite correct. SCO's claims against IBM most likely will be voided. IBM however has counterclaims. At this point, IBM can't get much money but knowing IBM, they want to make an example of SCO so that no other company will do this to them again.

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    1. Re:Not over yet by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Informative

      SCO claims that IBM took IP from Project Monterrey and used it in AIX on their Power architecture. Under the terms of their deal, IBM could only do that if they also released Monterrey on Intel's Itanium. However Itanium was an troubled architecture that never found many customers and IBM backed out of later having only sold 40 licenses by 2002. According to former SCO CEO Ransom Love, IBM offered to pay SCO for their troubles but SCO refused.

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    2. Re:Not over yet by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually IIRC IBM took code from AIX on Power and put it into Project Monterrey. SCO's claim was that IBM then took that code and contributed it to Linux, essentially claiming that they had control over anything that'd even touched Monterrey regardless of origin. The claim was even more ridiculous because the code they claimed IBM had contributed (JFS) wasn't the code contributed to Monterrey. IBM had originally written JFS for AIX on Power. Their Linux team had to create a completely new implementation of JFS from scratch, because the AIX driver couldn't be ported over to x86. And in fact the Linux team came up with such a superior implementation that IBM removed the original JFS driver (the one that got contributed to Monterrey) from AIX and ported the Linux JFS driver over to AIX on Power. So had SCO gotten past the twin hurdles of claiming control over IBM's independently-developed code just because it was contributed to Monterrey and the code they were suing over never having been contributed to Monterrey, they would've faced the hurdle of the code having come from Linux to Monterrey and not the other way around.

      Of course, that's par for the course for SCO. Remember that their first allegedly infringing piece of code turned out not to even be theirs. The malloc() code they claimed was copied from SCO Unix into Linux turned out to be a piece of earlier code (released both under the BSD license multiple times and into the public domain by it's original author) that both SCO Unix and Linux had gone and used (well, SCO Unix used it, Linux had dropped it in favor of more modern code and when it was found the reaction was "What's that still doing there? Get rid of it, it's not being used and it's just cluttering things up.").

    3. Re:Not over yet by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      SCO also have contract disputes they will try and persue, the whole fallout over Project "Legend". They're not dead yet

      They're not dead bu8t they don't have money. Unless another devil, versus angel, investor gives them more money the bankruptcy court can shutter SCO.

      Falcon

  12. Re:Isn't SCO by digitig · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're thinking of "Scouser", it's the term for somebody from Liverpool. I don't think it's ever used in anything but it's factual sense. Whether that's abusive depends on what you think of coming from Liverpool. Me, I'm Scouse and proud of it.

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  13. One more case to be brought by 6031769 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All it requires is for someone with stacks of time and money to take a look at the SCO corporate profile and sue them on the basis that just about everything written on that page is a lie.

    I mean, does anyone really think that SCO is a "leading provider of software technology", or that their "highly innovative and reliable solutions help millions of customers grow their businesses everyday". As we have just seen, "SCO owns all rights and ownership of the core UNIX operating system source code" is about as untrue as it is possible to get. As a bonus, such a legal action would certainly conclude faster than the 7 years this has been going on.

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    1. Re:One more case to be brought by Sique · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "highly innovative and reliable solutions help millions of customers grow their businesses everyday"

      With SCO Unix in several cashier machine models and in phone systems from Siemens Enterprice Communication, you could actually say, that at least millions of people use SCOs product to conduct their business every day.

      So beside the "innovative", everything else in this sentence might actually be somewhat trueish.

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  14. Counterclaims... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't wait for IBM to sue for all the time and money spent just to gather the source code:

    Complying with the Court's Order involved more than 4,700 hours of work from more than 400 IBM employees. This does not include the time spent by IBM's counsel and consultants on this project, which was likewise considerable. IBM produced a total of more than 80 GB of source code and other electronic data to SCO, and more than 900,000 pages of paper (which were scanned and produced in electronic form on CDs).

  15. Re:kill it by yo_tuco · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Will someone please squash this bug please."

    Better yet, warm up your arm and be the first one to throw your best shot! Mulligans are allowed. My favorite McBride quote from a CRN Interview:

    "
    CRN: This lawsuit is very unpopular among many in the open-source community.

    McBride: We're either right or we're not. If we're wrong, we deserve people throwing rocks at us..."

  16. Guinnes? by Thraxy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does this count as the record for "longest continuous fail"? Or was that the Bush administration?

  17. Re:What is this Groklaw of which you speak. by Yaa+101 · · Score: 2, Informative
  18. Re:kill it by confused+one · · Score: 3, Funny

    (Best Montgomery Burns voice) "Excellent." Pardon me while I go warm up.

  19. Not how it works IMHO by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would think about changing my line of work if I was assigned SCO versus the World.

    Nah. What you've got there are lawyers who are getting paid. Doesn't matter if what they are doing is wrong and hopeless. Look at a lawyer's paycheck. For that, Sisyphus would probably wake up cheerful and show up for a day's work with a smile.

    This is just lawyers being lawyers for the most part. Sure you get some good ones every so often, like Ray Beckerman. People who actually get into the field because they wish to be superheroes. But 99.9% of the world - regardless of their job - just want to get paid.

    And you and I are probably no different. I've worked on software projects that were doomed. How about you? I worked on a project once for 3 years that I knew 6 months in was going to wind up in a box on a shelf. Did I care? Hell no. I was making a paycheck during the dot bomb. Plenty of my coder friends weren't.

    Once SCO finally runs out of cash these guys will move on. Some of them will wind up working for Save the Puppies, some for the RIAA. Both will sleep well that night. It's just a job.

    Oh, one more thing. The SCO lawyers didn't lose. They did what Microsoft (via BayStar) paid them to do. Defame Linux. I'm sure the instructions went like this. "Make it drag out as long as you can. Sew fear and doubt. Never surrender!" Fifty million bucks buys a lot of moral flexibility. And these are lawyers, which is a profession that isn't overly burdened with saints.

    And on their resume for their next job they can say that they spearheaded an impossible effort. They moved market share towards their customer and away from an open source project that has a nebulous cloud of people working on it. They attacked a ghost, did it for a decade, and did that with a tenacity that would make a pit bull proud.

    There are many places where someone with that kind of determination and moral flexibility would be most welcome. I expect a lot of these resumes to wind up on the desks of BP's HR department sometime in the near future.

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  20. Re:The lesson of this story is by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get real, that's tantamount to saying Novell screwed SCO over with the APA - which is utter crap.

    SCO knew exactly what they were getting at the time, which WAS NOT the copyrights, because they didn't have the money to buy them. Why would they agree to pay 5% back to Novell if they were buying the copyrights outright?

  21. Groklaw has links by symbolset · · Score: 3, Informative

    It took time to add links to the footnotes of the text of the decision. Over time, in the way Groklaw works, the footnote text will become links to text versions of the associated documents, which link to the official court PDFs, and a link to the blog post will appear in the summary page here, or a child page. That's how Groklaw does things. The members contribute to fund the purchase of the documents from the court. Groklaw was a tiny bit slower than Ars Technica this time but in the fullness of time GrokLaw makes a better record that the Library of Congress has deemed worthy to record. This is certainly the best recorded copyright infringement case ever, and that's solely because of GrokLaw. Not only that, but the thorough documentation makes it a case study in all forms of intellectual property litigation and even all forms of extended litigation practice. Pamela isn't the fastest always, though she usually is because this case is a specialty - but her site is the definitive record of this series of court cases. Groklaw doesn't have the attention deficit disorder that /. suffers from, nor does it tolerate certain types of troll, nor obscenity. Pamela might have chosen the slashdot moderation system instead of the one she did given an adequate education and foresight in blogging and technology - but she didn't. She's not a geek like us, she's a paralegal and the decision point was more than seven years ago. It's a paralegal's blog and given the persistence and popularity of her site she chose well. Groklaw might have obsessive compulsive disorder in that it follows religiously minutia on a court case most people don't care about, but that's a different issue. Groklaw is thorough. It's a worthy reference for this specific topic, and the only one worth mentioning.

    The site is also producing text-based documentation of the Comes V. Microsoft collection of documents. In Comes, the plaintiff forced production of a vast collection of documents that offer an interesting view into the internal operation of the Microsoft monopoly, and published them on their website which closed when Microsoft settled. Most of these documents were captured, and are being indexed by the Groklaw team. This is a worthy endeavor that could use help if you're interested.

    Groklaw has no advertising - it's fully funded by its interested members (in this group I am proud to stand) and supported with servers and bandwidth by ibiblio because it's a noteworthy and popular endeavor that promotes openness. Ars Technica reports on major events in the case, and references their other articles on the case. Ars does this to attract page hits that drive their advertising funding. It's in no way similar to the way Groklaw works.

    Groklaw is notable not just for this case but in providing an exemplary example to follow for documenting a notable legal case. This has never been done before in this way and Pamela Jones deserves considerable respect for inventing this method of preventing a miscarriage of justice. What these cases need more than anything else to secure justice is the full light of public knowledge of what's happening. Had that public awareness and thorough documentation provided by GrokLaw not been the case, an unpleasantly different outcome was almost certain.

    For me GrokLaw is not just about this case though that is a prime focus now. It's about how we, the common geeks through our collective memory and obsessive attention to detail can derail the attempts to halt progress by seasoned lawyers who are ignorant of how things actually work, and inattentive to when they were inven

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